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Bumpy road ahead for global COVID-19 vaccine rollout, experts say

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By Kate Kelland and Michele Gershberg

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My family got their shots already. Doctors, nurses, medical field workers. But Americans cannot get one in Japan from the myriad of bases nor the embassy.

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My family got their shots already. Doctors, nurses, medical field workers.

I hope they are all doing well.

A total of 3,916 adverse events had been reported to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), including 13 deaths (9 from Pfizer, 4 from Moderna), by the end of December.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/thousands-covid-vaccine-injuries-13-deaths-reported-december/?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=defender&fbclid=IwAR3ZobEYO-c8P5f4inZd74vv8i_uVzLBlByqdqJrZQoT-gTsiqanJD4eFWk

VAERS is the primary mechanism in the US for reporting vaccine adverse reactions, but it is considered flawed because it relies on the willingness and ability of parents and professionals to voluntarily submit reports. A 2010 federal study concluded that less than 1% of adverse events ever reported.

https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf

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A total of 3,916 adverse events had been reported to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), including 13 deaths (9 from Pfizer, 4 from Moderna), by the end of December.

That is half of the information, where is the absolutely necessary other half?

Obviously you need the numbers of adverse effects and deaths on an unvaccinated population of the approximate same size and characteristics, so you can compare the data and see if it is higher or lower than expected. That also goes for the reporting itself, who do you think is more likely to report something negative that happened, someone that just got vaccinated or someone that was just living a normal life? Would you go to the doctor for some vague pain in your arm that disappeared after a day?

For example, what if in the unvaccinated population there are 30 deaths unrelated to coronavirus? would that mean that the vaccine also protects you from all kinds of deaths? What if 5 deaths in VAERS are from gunshot and 7 of those deaths were found in the general population, does that mean the vaccine repels bullets but only slightly?

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@virusrex

I always agree with virusrex. This poster is highly educated, knows stats well and logical.

My medical side of the family doing well with received vaccines. One more waiting for second shot. Zero side effects and no pain at injection site.

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My friends relatives in the U.K. who have received the vaccine are all fine.

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U.S. Military bases in japan are providing COVID 19 vaccinations for their personnel. Check with the base Public Affairs offices on a base.

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I might take it in ten years after everyone who for some reason trusts Big Pharma has taken it. I mean, this exact same process isn't unprecedented:

https://sci-hub.st/10.1111/j.1600-0404.1982.tb06864.x

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18014-swine-flu-myth-the-vaccine-isnt-safe-it-has-been-rushed-through-tests-and-the-last-time-there-was-a-swine-flu-scare-the-vaccine-hurt-people-why-take-the-risk-to-prevent-mild-flu/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/20/swine-flu-vaccine-case-settled-but-hopes-for-legal-precedent-dashed

https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe
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@wobot. Why are you try to deter people from being vaccinated? Vaccinations work, every medicine has side effects of some kind, every time you have a med you are weighing up the risk, yet you don’t seem to be as down on antibiotics, or cholesterol meds or cancer treatments. Just vaccines.

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I might take it in ten years after everyone who for some reason trusts Big Pharma has taken it. I mean, this exact same process isn't unprecedented:

It is not the exact same process by a long shot, not even similar, and choosing to run a 1/100 risk of dying from an infection because you are afraid of the 1/1000000 risk of developing a much less permanent condition is not rational. Even less justified is to use the example of narcolepsy, because the vaccination caused less cases than the natural influenza infection since the virus obviously contains and produces much more of the problematic protein than the vaccines, the vast majority of which did not include any of that protein.

Also, I would think that is against the rules of the site to link to illegal pirated materials from sci-hub.

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