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Roll up your sleeves: Kids' turn arrives for COVID-19 shots

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They have been used for nearly one year.

Yes, for adults! Not for kids!

Making the decision to vaccinate children is not an easy one.

I 100% agree!

Therefore I am saying, each parent should think very carefully and more than twice, to give this vaccine to your kids or not.

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Nice to see that 5 year-olds have more maturity and a greater sense of community responsiblity than middle-aged men.

Yes sure! Because each 5 year old kid is going to their parents and saying, “please Mom and Papa, please give me the Covid Vaccine, please...please put a needle in my arm.”

Not in the name of science, but of health, lives and livelihood

If problems will come up in the future with the vaccine, it doesn’t matter if it is in the name of science or in the name of health, lives and livelihood or whatever...

The problem is occurred and it can not be revoked.

I mean, problems can come up also for me as a full vaccinated adult.

I don’t know if there will be problems coming up in the future with my body according this vaccine I took.

But I am an adult. I am responsible for my own actions!

And I am a parent! I am responsible for my kid.

And, each parent, is much more responsible and sensitive to their kids body and health than to their own body and health.

If I get problems with these vaccines in the future, I am OK with that, because I, as an adult, decided to take it.

But if my kid will get problems with the vaccine, which I decided that he or she should take it, that will break my heart and will give me the worst time ever.

But only caring and loving parents can understand that!

People who don’t have kids, do not understand what I am talking about.

Therefore I am saying, each parents should think carefully and more than twice if they should give this vaccine, which is just a few weeks on the market, to their kids or not.

The so called experts, who are telling us to give this vaccine to our kids, they are not responsible for your kids. If something happens to your kids because of the vaccine, the so called expert will not give a sh...t about it.

As long as it is not their own kids....

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where is it written that the people recommending the vaccines for children are not going to vaccinate their own children?

You missunderstood...

I am saying, they dont care about our kids.

They only care if their own kids are involved in upcoming problems from the vaccine.

What I really hope will never happen to any parents. Expert or not.

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It clears from the body in weeks at most, so if it was going to kill you (it wasn't), you'd be dead already.

So you recommend that parents should give this vaccine to their kids and hope for some weeks that their kids will not die?

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@virusrex

The country where I am residing right now makes me sign a consent form and a waiver stating that "I accept all the risks linked to the vaccine being approved under emergency and that I shall held liable the country or Pfizer in case of side effects" . Basically it is take it at your own risk.

So how does that fit with your statement of the vaccine being safe and sound?

Why not country aside of the USA and Japan take the responsibility if it is safe?

Glad if you could shed some light

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Different situation here in Japan, as far as I know

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Since the pandemic began, at least 94 children aged 5 to 11 have died from COVID-19...

I bet none of those kids were healthy. Actually considering how rampant child obesity is in the US, I surprised not more kids died from Covid-19.

If you have an obese kid, yeah perhaps you might want to get him vaccinated. Or better yet, address the obesity, it does so much more harm than just increasing the damage from Covid.

But if your kid is healthy, it doesn't make any sense to get these vaccines.

They have been used for nearly one year.

Yes, and their adverse side effects and deaths are off the charts. And regarding kids, as I posted yesterday about the FDA online panel discussion, one of the FDA "experts" said something like: we're never going to learn how safe the vaccine is for kids unless we start giving it to them, that's how we learned about rare complications with other vaccines, and so I think we should vote to approve it.

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Doctors ALWAYS have differing opinions, and many disagree with the CDC narrative. The Great Barrington Declaration, signed by 60,000 doctors, expressed grave concerns about vaccinations for kids. These are brave doctors, but understand others are scared for their job and will tell you what their employers want them to say.

COVID vaccines have no long term safety data and use a new, gene-based technology.

Kids 19 and under have a 99.999% survival rate from COVID if, in the unlikely event, they catch it. Survival rate is higher for those 10 and under.

Schools are not a vector for COVID- even the mainstream and Big Tech media sources do not try to distort this.

At the end of the day, parents need to advocate for their own kids.

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@virusrex

No sorry it is different.

The consent waiver clearly discharge liability on the government and Pfizer. It is different from the usual medical consent.

As of the claims program:

Good move although it seems to be awfully complicated if not possible to make any claims as conditions are too many.

Have a look at the website link you sent

https://covaxclaims.com/faqs/

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I'm not saying "you shouldn't get vaccinated" but given that the vaccines are not all that effective (compared to vaccines I had as a kid)

How do you even compare them? you understand that other vaccines are also effective at preventing hospitalizations, complications and death, but not so much at preventing infection? the huge difference is that herd immunity make the breakthrough infections not so important. And no, as previously discussed, the side effects are NOT higher, the population being vaccinated have much more health problems (independently of vaccines) that is why vaccinated people do not have higher number of problems than non vaccinated people.

People with interests different from public health are using the definitions wrong (for example saying that COVID vaccines do not provide "immunity" because people could still be infected, when the medical use of the word have never mean perfect protection) so the experts try to make that disinformation more difficult. How is that bad? In the same way, vaccines have demonstrated to be less risky than the infection for kids, so how do you want to justify letting kids run higher risks just because you exaggerate side effects and make invalid comparisons with other vaccines?

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They have been used for nearly one year.

Yes, for adults! Not for kids! 

Making the decision to vaccinate children is not an easy one.

I 100% agree! 

Therefore I am saying, each parent should think very carefully and more than twice, to give this vaccine to your kids or not.

exactly, and I think that is for every parent to decide, we are not all the same and we should all approach this rationally and go by what our healthcare physician says as to what is the best for each child

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The doctors are recommending the parents have their children vaccinated. Should that advice be followed?

Depends on the doctor and the medical condition of the child.

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Hugs with friends. Birthday parties indoors. Pillow fights. School children who got their first COVID-19 shots Wednesday said these are the pleasures they look forward to

My family and friends have been doing this the whole time.

We just didn't buy into the fear and continued our normal lives.

That probably does much more good for your and your kids' immunity than any covid vaccine would.

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@Raw Beer

Yes, and their adverse side effects and deaths are off the charts.

As in they aren't recorded on any charts because they don't exist LOL!

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What will we found out about mRNA in 30 years?

Every week or so science find new risks associated with infections that have plagued humans since prehistory, so how do you assume that a drug considered safe HAS to be one of the exceptions, and a virus that already demonstrated to increase all kinds of risks also HAS to be the exception and not cause anything else for 30 years like so many other infections do? This is just not understanding the concept of risk.

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I don't know @Burning Bush. What will we find out in 30 years? I'm pretty sure that it will be things far more important than side effects from these vaccines. I feel sorry for you, having nothing else to worry about other people and the vaccine. Yet, steady and sure Japan gets towards 80% double jabbed. Think you getting your message across?

Christ man, they wouldn't prescribe the contraceptive pill in the doses they did 50 years ago if they had a crystal ball.

Science. Leading the way.

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“It’s not studied long-term. It just makes me nervous,” she said. “As long as I can wait, I will wait.”

I am very relieved to see that there are still clever and loving parents around!

Let's hope that in a few years nobody will regret that they gave this vaccine to their kids in this early stage.

If something very bad about this vaccine, especially for kids, will come out in a few years, I am 100% sure, that many of the so called experts will say;

Sorry, but that can happen, but everything in the name of science.

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My final statement to this topic is:

Each parent, who loves and care for their kids, should seriously consider and taking all risks under consideration, and evaluate them.

Additional, take the life situation of your kid also in consideration.

How is the situation at school?

Is there a good prevention system implemented?

Is my kid walking to school or is he or she using a full packed train?

Can my kid wear mask every day and are other classmates also wearing masks?

...and so on...

Parents should take all these things under consideration and then decide, if it is really necessary to take this vaccine or not.

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@virusrex

Actually it is quite simple.

If Pfizer and governments would make a strong statement by giving final approval for the vaccine and taking all liability in case of side effects, we would not have this discussion and everybody will happily get vaccinated.

Now as you mentioned this vaccine has been studied and is safe, I wonder why it is still under emergency approval...

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Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected and be hospitalized.

And 11 times less likely to die from covid, according to the CDC report last Sept.

Decision is simple really. If you believe that get vaccinated.

If not then don't.

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@Wipeout, you are following a wrong logic here.

If we follow you, then heavy drinkers, smokers, people who are overweight should also be ostracized and fend for themselves.

Vaccinated or unvaccinated are equal part of the society, pay same taxes so the treatment should be the same.

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So we should not accept heavy smokers at the hospital when they come for respiratory conditions or treat their cancer

How does that increase the risk for others?

Trying to ignore the main point of the comment does not work well when it is included in the very sentence. Someone that chooses not to be vaccinated, while in complete and absolute isolation from others do not put others at an increased risk, so no problem there. A drinker that do not drive, a smoker that do not do not expose others to secondary or tertiary smoke are the same. Once again, the whole point is increasing the risk for others, how any of your examples do that?

If your logic depends completely on "misunderstanding" the whole point that proves you wrong maybe it is time to accept you don't actually have a point anymore.

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If we follow you, then heavy drinkers, smokers, people who are overweight should also be ostracized and fend for themselves.

Actually they are, when their decisions increase the risks for others. Heavy drinkers that insist on driving can be imprisoned, smokers that do it in public spaces where it is forbidden are also heavily criticized, can be fined etc. People who choose to ignore their social responsibility and have an effect in other people have consequences, for some it is as simple as having to keep social distancing measures above what other need to do, for others it will be losing completely their freedoms. That applies even if they try to use the "defense" of not believing what science says.

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Very true Virusrex

So we should not accept heavy smokers at the hospital when they come for respiratory conditions or treat their cancer

Similarly, we should let drinkers pay for the chemotherapy when having liver cancer.

And finally, obese people should be banned to enter fast food venues and food court because they refuse to be reasonable and do a bypass surgery.

Do you see the logic when we apply current Covid unvaccinated treatment to other condition?

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Excellent post @zichi.

They started giving this vaccination in 2008 in the UK. It's only NOW that the clear benefits can be seen and the lives saved realised. Imagine if we followed Burning Bush's 30 year rule! We would be 43 years away from seeing the benefits!

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I am very relieved to see that there are still clever and loving parents around!

Assuming the infection do not have much higher risks for further health problems is not clever nor loving, there are no "long term studies" for COVID either, but that has not stopped professionals from already finding many things that can impact the health of a person for all their life. The vaccines have been used on people for much longer, and give much less problems. This is just irrational fear putting kids in higher risk.

What if in a few years it is found that the viral infection increases importantly the risk of cancer, autoimmune problems, infertility, intelectual impairment, etc? those are very real risks that other viral infections do produce, and that are still plausible according to what is known about the virus. At that point it will be completely worthless for a parent to say "I should have listened to the doctors".

Risk is not equal for everything, the vaccines have been studied for more than one decade to find out if the technology causes any problem, in short, medium and long term, and nothing have been found, the infection on the other hand already has.

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Nice to see that 5 year-olds have more maturity and a greater sense of community responsiblity than middle-aged men.

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I bet none of those kids were healthy. Actually considering how rampant child obesity is in the US, I surprised not more kids died from Covid-19.

If you have an obese kid, yeah perhaps you might want to get him vaccinated.

If it is necessary, if there is a medical danger, their doctor can tell them if it’s appropriate or not.

Or better yet, address the obesity, it does so much more harm than just increasing the damage from Covid.

That is true at least on the medical health side of the issue.

But if your kid is healthy, it doesn't make any sense to get these vaccines.

I completely agree.

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CDC updated their online definition of "Vaccine" in September as these covid vaccines didn't fit the definition. They changed "provided immunity" with "provides protection". In 2015 they watered it down too.

"Pandemic" also go watered down by the WHO during Covid as it was falling off the scope.

I'm not saying "you shouldn't get vaccinated" but given that the vaccines are not all that effective (compared to vaccines I had as a kid) and adverse effects rates are much higher than vaccines I had as a kid (check VAERs if you need the numbers) , they shouldn't be mandated and they should be more careful pushing them on the very young

I'm glad I'm in Japan

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Sorry, but that can happen, but everything in the name of science.

Not in the name of science, but of health, lives and livelihood

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Some people are against vaccination whether the recipients are 5 or 95 years old. If we left it up to those people, no-one would have been vaccinated at all and the worldwide death toll would be 50 million-plus and rising.

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The consent waiver clearly discharge liability on the government and Pfizer. It is different from the usual medical consent.

That is what a normal medical consent carries, for example if you need to get your appendix removed you have to sign a form where it clearly says that even if everybody does everything correctly it is still possible you may have complications and die. No liability unless you can prove there is medicalm malpractice, (this applies also to vaccines for example, if you can prove the nurse injected poison instead of the vaccine she would be still subjected to criminal charges, no matter what you signed, so there is still liability).

Do you know what is much more complicated than filling forms and submitting documents to get compensation? proving above any reasonable doubt that one vaccine is the only possible cause for any problem presented by a person in.

And again, not providing a blanket compensation for any possible negative effect do not prove that something is not safe, it just proves that the government do not consider that health intervention particularly beneficial for the public health, so it leaves to people to do it on their own if they want without supporting it. As every other medical procedure.

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Since the pandemic began, at least 94 children aged 5 to 11 have died from COVID-19, more than 8,300 have been hospitalized and over 5,000 have developed a serious inflammatory condition linked to the coronavirus.

If there are significant risks of death and to health of the young, they may require it in school, I'm afraid

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I am saying, they dont care about our kids.

So you think pediatricians, immunologists, allergologists, etc. etc. that work mainly to preserve the health of the children don't care about them, but you that choose the proved worst option for them (because then you can avoid assuming any responsibility if something bad happens) do?

Sorry but this can easily be proved wrong. They, with their recommendations and work to substantiate them have proved much more that children are their priority than people following irrational fears. Much more because those that have children on their own are obviously choosing to vaccinate them.

Parents should take all these things under consideration and then decide, if it is really necessary to take this vaccine or not.

None of the things you want parents to consider would make the disease less dangerous for children, nor vaccine more. Personal fears and half-thought considerations do not replace the evidence that prove vaccines reduce the risks for children as long as they don't have a valid medical exception.

exactly, and I think that is for every parent to decide, we are not all the same and we should all approach this rationally and go by what our healthcare physician says as to what is the best for each child

That would be an argument supporting generalized vaccination, because the medical experts are those that recommend vaccinating children according to the results of the medical trials. Medical exceptions obviously apply, the same as with every other population, but precisely because some children have problems that make impossible to vaccinate (and use many other kinds of treatments) is why is so important to vaccinate as much of the population as possible, they depend on a free ride on herd immunity to have lower risks, just like the antivaxxers try to do, except with a perfectly valid reason to do it.

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I bet none of those kids were healthy. Actually considering how rampant child obesity is in the US, I surprised not more kids died from Covid-19.

Bets are not an argument, if you can prove that none of those kids were healthy you can do it, if not, then that means you have to accept healthy children can die from COVID.

If you have an obese kid, yeah perhaps you might want to get him vaccinated. Or better yet, address the obesity, it does so much more harm than just increasing the damage from Covid.

That still applies for children without obesity, or any other preexisting condition, the dangers of COVID (including clotting, cardiac inflammation, etc) are much higher than those coming from vaccines, believe it or not you can do both things (vaccinate and prevent obesity) without problem.

Yes, and their adverse side effects and deaths are off the charts

No they are not, as has been proved repeatedly to you, something you have never been able to disprove, following millions of people of old age and many health problems (as the population being vaccinated) will make reports of the naturally occuring problems frequent, but if those problems are in the same rates as non-vaccinated people that still mean the vaccines are not responsible, the same "phenomenon" can be observed if you compare figures of people using adult diapers with those of kid diapers, do you also feel adult diapers are extremely dangerous just because people using them die a thousand times more frequently?

Doctors ALWAYS have differing opinions, and many disagree with the CDC narrative.

That has no importance, the evidence is clear and open to be examined by anybody, if the evidence fully substantiate the recommendations of the organizations made specifically to produce and analyze that evidence that is what should be done, if doctors have "different opinions" without the evidence necessary to prove them that means they are wrong, and incapable of doing their job professionally.

COVID vaccines have no long term safety data and use a new, gene-based technology.

COVID infection have much shorter term data, using a well proved toxic gene-based process to damage humans, and even with this much shorter period of evidence it is already clear the infection produce more problems, for longer time and in much greater rates than any of the vaccines used against it.

Kids 19 and under have a 99.999% survival rate from COVID if, in the unlikely event, they catch it. Survival rate is higher for those 10 and under.

Death is not the only negative result from infection, specially when this depends on many different measures in place to prevent their infection, vaccinating still means the risk becomes lower for them, there are already vaccinations being done for children against diseases that kill no children right now.

If Pfizer and governments would make a strong statement by giving final approval for the vaccine and taking all liability in case of side effects, we would not have this discussion and everybody will happily get vaccinated.

Err, that is already in place, governments in the developed world (including the US and Japan) already compensate for any possible negative outcome from vaccination, including death. This do not even require proof the vaccine is the actual cause, nor even the most likely cause, as long as the vaccine is the possible cause compensation is paid, this have not stopped any of the antivaxxer groups from promoting vaccine hesitancy and use false information to mislead people in to rejecting safe and effective measures.

Now as you mentioned this vaccine has been studied and is safe, I wonder why it is still under emergency approval...

You wonder why bureaucracy is slow? that must be a very rare case. You also have it backwards, drugs and vaccines have to prove to be safe and effective before getting an emergency approval, the mechanism is there to allow something already proved to be much safer than the alternative to be used before all the other paperwork has a chance to catch up with reality, as long as something is still under emergency approval it means it is still considered safe and effective.

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Yea, I’m sure most of you advocating for shots for little kids don’t even have kids, if you do, I feel sorry for your kids. Willing to risk your children’s life for a virus that doesn’t even effect their age group for the sake of what? Community? Protecting you? God help this world...

Emotional fallacies help nothing, vaccines reduce the risks, even for children, so vaccinating the children do protect them. Feeling sorry is much more appropriate for kids whose parents do not want to make a rational decision and instead choose to keep them in the higher risk group.

The country where I am residing right now makes me sign a consent form and a waiver stating that "I accept all the risks linked to the vaccine being approved under emergency and that I shall held liable the country or Pfizer in case of side effects" . Basically it is take it at your own risk.

In Japan and the US you don't and the government compensate people after vaccination, even if the relationship between the problem and the vaccine is tenuous at best, that has not stopped people from refusing the vaccines because of irrational and easy to prove false reasons, you clearly said this would not be the case. This is also the case in most of the developed world.

Why not country aside of the USA and Japan take the responsibility if it is safe?

This is of course false, who said it? I mentioned two examples (one about the country this article is about, the other the country the site is about) that does not mean they are the only two where this happens.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/5/10-081901.pdf

https://www.who.int/news/item/22-02-2021-no-fault-compensation-programme-for-covid-19-vaccines-is-a-world-first

You understand that signing your consent about possible problems and that you are assuming those risks is actually the norm? this is what happens with all kinds of treatments, from antibiotics to surgery. Do you mean that nothing in medicine is safe according to you? because that is of course false.

Giving away compensation without need of a trial is a mechanism to promote the use of any medical intervention that is extremely useful for public health, but not offering do not mean something is not safe, it just mean that there is no public health problem with people rejecting irrationally those treatments. (and as proved it offering it do not guarantee some people will still make irrational arguments against it).

That probably does much more good for your and your kids' immunity than any covid vaccine would.

According to the published scientific data, this is completely baseless and just a personal opinion much more likely to be wrong than right, which is why the doctors and scientists do not recommend it.

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Two happy boys.

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But if my kid will get problems with the vaccine, which I decided that he or she should take it, that will break my heart and will give me the worst time ever.

But only caring and loving parents can understand that!

People who don’t have kids, do not understand what I am talking about.

That is an invalid fallacy, appeal to emotions, you can't prove people without child can't understand you, nor it makes helps proving that a mistaken attitude is less wrong.

If the experts and professionals in science and health say to you that COVID is a thousand times more likely to produce (more) problems if the patients are followed in long term studies than the vaccines, and that this can be proved scientifically, what importance have your feelings if you choose to expose your children to those much higher risks? the choice would still be the worst for them.

This is like seeing one friend of yours drunk after a party trying to go back to her house driving. You could make her take a taxi home, which is much safer, but if you do that and something happens to her it will be your responsibility for making her do it, so instead you choose to remain quiet and let her drive home drunk, because then you feel it is no longer your responsibility, even if it is still much worse for her (and yes, it would still be your responsibility).

As long as it is not their own kids....

That is of course just something you imagine, where is it written that the people recommending the vaccines for children are not going to vaccinate their own children?

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