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U.S. to recommend COVID vaccine boosters at 8 months

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Anonymous sources from unnamed government agencies say the booster might be recommended soon.

This despite the fact that the WHO wants to pause boosters until the rest of the planets population is vaccinated.

Maybe if all these competing agencies would get on the same page and implement a single world wide strategy this pandemic could be defeated.

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Fully vaccinated, but I will wait for a long while before I get the booster.

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Didn't these same experts say that two would be "fully vaccinated"

Yes, that was before the far more contagious Delta variant became dominant.

Science changes to accommodate new information.

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Its not a vaccine, its a treatment. Its pretty obvious by now. Vaccines are actually meant to prevent you from getting the illness.

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Its not a vaccine, its a treatment. Its pretty obvious by now. Vaccines are actually meant to prevent you from getting the illness.

All vaccines are treatments, and they work very nicely preventing the illness, other vaccines act in the same way, if you get infected with Japanese encephalitis after getting vaccinated you may get a fever, but not the encephalitis part.

If you decided to get the jab, you’re now trapped into getting it every six months for the rest of your life because you destroyed your natural immunity.

Imaginary scenarios not based on reality are not a valid argument, this is like saying that if you decided not to be vaccinated you are now 100% going to get cancer in the next 5 years because the virus destroyed your immunity.

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Vaccine stimulation of antibodies target only a single or very narrow range of epitopes on the target. Delta has evaded those antibodies by modifying the target epitopes which simply means that Delta has evaded the current VACCINES. A 'booster' of the SAME vaccine would seem just as useless as the current vaccination has, apparently, become.

And just a note about 'natural selection'. We have now among us UNTREATABLE bacteria (see: MRSA, et alia) because our once 'miracle antibiotics' have been so abused by Corporate and spread so widely in the environment by Big Agra to increase feed to profit ratios, and by Big Med in inappropriate prescribing that common pathogens have been under enormous selection pressure, and variants which might have been out competed by the much more numerous originals but have found ways around our antibiotics have no competition and become the dominant forms of their kind. This affects not only us but the foundational microorganisms from whom we have learned these defenses and for whom they are also now useless. Vaccines also work in the same way and particularly with 'hypervariable' sorts of viruses such as we are now hosting.

Vaccination has been a 'godsend' to Humanity for many of our historical diseases which have plagued us for millennia but when a 'Crazy Legs Hirsch' of a virus faces a narrow defense, it can run circles around it and, hopefully, that is not the case with COVID. But what we are seeing now with Delta, Lambda, and who knows yet how many Greek letters is not encouraging for our current strategies. However much it may seem like 'anti-vaxxer' hyperbole, study it yourself and you will see that it is not. And unvaccinated individuals are susceptible to all forms and do not contribute to the natural selection of variants.

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Get ready for a Covid shot every year thats next!

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I have to get another needle?! But what if it hurts and I cry?! The horror, the horror! Better to die of covid than have someone poke a hole in your skin! The horror. The horror.

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No thanks. Two shots were supposed to provide immunity. What will a third provide? And a fourth?

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No thanks. Two shots were supposed to provide immunity. What will a third provide? And a fourth

Yeah, no mote owwies! Needles hurt! This is ridiculous!!

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Vaccine stimulation of antibodies target only a single or very narrow range of epitopes on the target. Delta has evaded those antibodies by modifying the target epitopes which simply means that Delta has evaded the current VACCINES. A 'booster' of the SAME vaccine would seem just as useless as the current vaccination has, apparently, become.

Fortunately this is completely wrong, vaccines contain not a "narrow range" but either half or the full spike protein of the virus, the problem is not the stimulation but the neutralizing activity of the antibodies, which is reduced but since the vaccine produce polyclonal antibodies the virus cannot evade it as you mistakenly think, this is demonstrated in the huge reduction of complications and deaths on vaccinated people, which would not be present if what you described was true.

Your ideas about natural selection are also based on a false premise, which is that the virus can change its spike protein sequence endlessly without cost, this is already known to be false because the advantage of the virus depends entirely on this protein (and specifically on the neutralizing epitopes) so every change means a risk of losing fitness, this means that sooner or later it will reach a balance where trying to escape immunity only produce lower infection.

Also, vaccines do not work in the way of antibiotics (as in changing from 100% to 0% effective by adaptation) as seen with COVID less effective antibodies are still very good at neutralizing the infection.

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There is no excuse for stupidity! One refills/charges their car on a regular intervals, yes? This is same! No gas, no go shopping, no vaccine, one ends up in hospital! Simple! NO?

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I'm disappointed in humanity. Instead of people having any sense of duty to others to do all the right things from mask wearing to sanitizing to social distancing to vaccination all I hear day after day is whining and crying by supposed adults acting like our 6yo looking for any and every contrived reason not to do the right things. This pandemc could be almost behind us if everyone had seen it as their solumn duty to do all the right thing diligently. Instead people refuses and this has given the virus fertile ground to further develop and mutate. Lots of vaccines require boosters. We have a different flu shot each year because there is usually a different strain of flu making the rounds each year. Last year's shot doesn't provide immunity for the next year. But confronted with an adaptable virus that has killed millions and could kill millions more if not controlled, we still see people whining and crying and coming up with every contrived reason not to get vaccinated. What does it take to get some adults to act like adults?

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Burning BushAug. 18  05:08 pm JST

Didn't these same experts say that two would be "fully vaccinated"

The definition of fully vaccinated keeps changing.

So does the virus.....

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A 'booster' of the SAME vaccine would seem just as useless as the current vaccination has, apparently, become.

I agree with this. But I was wondering if that is what they are proposing. I somehow assumed the "booster" would have an updated mRNA sequence, for the predominant variant. Or even better would be an upcoming variant, since the current wave would probably end by the time a significant number of people are vaccinated.

But if it's the same mRNA, then yes, it's completely useless....

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Yes, very true! That is why those who recovered from an infection are better protected against variants, because they have antibodies that recognize more than just part of the spike protein.

Still false, no matter how much you want to believe it, you have been asked to support this baseless claim with scientific evidence, not being able to do it at all should be enough to make anybody understand it is not real. You also have failed to prove non-neutralizing antibodies are of any use against the infection, what do you suppose is the value of antibodies that recognize things hidden inside of the virion?

Yes, but one thin that makes the vaccine situation even worse than what happened with antibiotics is that they were administered during a pandemic. 

It is understandable that for antivaxxers anything that prove that vaccines are a safe and effective health measure is "worse", but for rational people delivering the vaccines on time to save millions of people lives and health is the opposite of worse, specially when no negative effect has been ever identified and variants have appeared on predominantly unvaccinated populations.

This false equivalence with antibiotics is fortunately something people without knowledge of the mechanisms of immune defense fall too often, but the experts obviously know much better.

But if it's the same mRNA, then yes, it's completely useless....

You mean as useless as the vaccines that very efficiently protect people from complications and death? what kind of moral compass can make someone think that saving people is useless?

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I somehow assumed the "booster" would have an updated mRNA sequence, for the predominant variant

If I am not mistaken, the primary mRNA was published by China.

How do we know that it was correct?

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If I am not mistaken, the primary mRNA was published by China.

You're probably mistaken.

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The first sequence of COVID virus was disclosed by China.

After a couple of days, pharma companies designed mRNA on the basis of Chinese information.

How do we know that the info was correct?

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The first sequence of COVID virus was disclosed by China.

After a couple of days, pharma companies designed mRNA on the basis of Chinese information.

How do we know that the info was correct?

I agree, how do we know the info you just provided was correct? Sounds more like conspiracy theories than reality.

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Sounds more like conspiracy theories than reality.

So, tell me how mRNA covid treatments were developed.

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