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This article says the vaccine cost pennies. Then why does it cost over ¥6,000 here? That's a lot of pennies.

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My body, my choice.

Don't want it.

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As a rationale human being I should have the right to decide whether or not I should be pumped full of drugs or not.

Man Kind has survived long enough without such drugs why do we need them now ?

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As a rationale human being

Followed by:

Man Kind has survived long enough without such drugs why do we need them now ?

Haha!

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My body, my choice.

Don't want it.

But then we, as a society, might not want your body around us. Vaccination or isolated quarantine, your choice.

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My body, my choice.

It is proven effective at saving lives and all lives are precious. Did you forget your earlier posts about Alabama?

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My body, my choice.

Don't want it.

Fine. My choice is that I don't want you increasing the risk of my grandkids getting some fatal or debilitating disease. If you insist on being vax-free, I hope you also make the sensible choice of staying out of normal sane society.

As a rationale human being I should have the right to decide whether or not I should be pumped full of drugs or not. 

As a rational human being, I don't want people carrying potentially dangerous infectious diseases walking around among the rest of us.

Man Kind has survived long enough without such drugs why do we need them now ?

To take just one example, in the 18th century smallpox accounted for 18% of all deaths in London. Thanks to vaccination, the disease has now been to all intents and purposes eradicated.

https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox#eradication-of-smallpox

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Fine. My choice is that I don't want you increasing the risk of my grandkids getting some fatal or debilitating disease. If you insist on being vax-free, I hope you also make the sensible choice of staying out of normal sane society.

As a rational human being, I don't want people carrying potentially dangerous infectious diseases walking around among the rest of us.

I definitely agree with you on that. This is an issue that frustrates me to No end why so many people are unwilling to study the facts on this serious issue.

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My body, my choice.

What a hypocritical statement being made here. Do as I say, not as I do. People who think like this are the reason the world has this problem in the first place. They are more than willing to tell others how to live their lives, but when it comes to themselves, forget it.

As another poster noted and I agree, if you choose to not be vaccinated, fine, then we as society have the RIGHT to not allow you to go out in public, and not allow you to interact physically with others.

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As a rationale human being I should have the right to decide whether or not I should be pumped full of drugs or not. Man Kind has survived long enough without such drugs why do we need them now ?

Wow, ...just wow, as others have noted, and I am going to jump on their bandwagon here; Here is some advice, go back through history and do a tiny bit of research and odds are you will find that you are here and alive today because of those "drugs".

And without those "drugs" you really dont want to be alive when everyone else around you is dying because you didnt think that "drugs" are necessary!

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The thing about herd protection is that it protects the weaker members of society: those who are too weak to even get a vaccine. Healthy people who choose not to get the vaccine are endangering the lives of the weaker ones.

Measles and the like may not be as dangerous to people with healthy, strong bodies, but to those without, they can prove crippling and even fatal.

In this light, an opinion like this,

My body, my choice.

Don't want it.

seems all the more cruel.

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Man Kind has survived long enough without such drugs why do we need them now ?

A more important question. Have you informed yourself on the science, or at least accepted the science you're capable of understanding, and refrained from rejecting the science you aren't?

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Enough is said to make seen as completelety foolish some first comments.

It is no wrong to change your mind.

Drugs like vaccines are drugs, and it might be a business, but note medical drugs save lives, maybe sooner or later your life...

Be factual, be smart.

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While I am frustrated that anyone would deny the vaccine to their children, I have to smirk at the idea that the vaccine is dangerous.

I was born way before a measles vaccine was invented. Just about everyone got the disease as a child, including moi. Later on I had to get the vaccine, while in the US military. If anyone is immune to the disease, it is me. The military gave us vaccines against just about every disease known to man. I am now immune to yellow fever, the plague, small pox, and a host of other seldom seen diseases. So far as I am aware, none of the vaccines ever caused permanent harm to anyone I knew.

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This article says the vaccine cost pennies. Then why does it cost over ¥6,000 here? That's a lot of pennies.

They may cost pennies to produce but drug companies tend to charge whatever they can get away with. Here is a current price list for the US compiled by a US government agency.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/awardees/vaccine-management/price-list/index.html

If I am reading this source correctly, you can expect to pay at least $75 for a rubella vaccination in the US.

I looked at Japanese language sites. What you will pay depends on your age, whether a local government is subsidizing the cost of a particular vaccination, whether there is a required examination prior to getting the vaccination, and other factors.

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Seems like the Pharma industry has done a great job selling it to the Pleths.

Check out the ingredients of the vaccine you are about to get jabbed with (read the box the vial came in) see all the toxic ingredients and known side effects written there for yourself. Be informed.

Ask why you have to sign a waiver before the injection if it's 100% safe

Why do you need a booster if the vaccine is so effective ?

Vaccines supposedly only provide effective immunization effective for 3 - 5 years. So how much of the heard is really immune anyway (assuming you believe they are effective at all)

Heard immunization...sounds like heard mentality to me

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People often focus too much on the possible side effect of vaccines, and they forget how serious the diseases are that could result from no vaccine. They focus too much on the side effects, but not enough on the diseases. Many of those diseases could kill you, or if you're fortunate, exhaustive hospitalizations

New York, which is having a severe measles epidemic right now, passed a public health emergency regulation banning unvaccinated people from large public places - the health and lives of the public being the priority

If you're unvaccinated, that's something you have to live with

Man Kind has survived long enough without such drugs why do we need them now ?

Mankind also has had high mortality rates many times - the 15th C. Black Plague killed almost half of Europe; the 1918 Spanish Flu killed 50 million people worldwide; etc.

Do ya know why people used to have so many children? Because they knew they're gonna lose some of them

Yes, mankind has survived over the centuries. But how many of your loved ones are you prepared to lose?

Check out the ingredients of the vaccine you are about to get jabbed with (read the box the vial came in) see all the toxic ingredients and known side effects written there for yourself. Be informed.

Yes, be informed: Ingredients of Vaccines - Fact Sheet

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

= Millions of doses of vaccines are administered to children in this country each year. Ensuring that those vaccines are potent, sterile, and safe requires the addition of minute amounts of chemical additives.

= Chemicals are added to vaccines to inactivate a virus or bacteria and stabilize the vaccine, helping to preserve the vaccine and prevent it from losing its potency over time.

= The amount of chemical additives found in vaccines is very small.

= All routinely recommended pediatric vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market are available in formulations that contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts.

Additives used in the production of vaccines may include

= suspending fluid (e.g. sterile water, saline, or fluids containing protein);

= preservatives and stabilizers to help the vaccine remain unchanged (e.g. albumin, phenols, and glycine); and

= adjuvants or enhancers to help the vaccine to be more effective.

Common substances found in vaccines include:

= Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

= Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.

= Egg protein is found in yellow fever and most influenza vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

= Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.

= Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

= Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

So there's the list of minute amounts of additives.

Why do you need a booster if the vaccine is so effective ?

Because vaccines diminish its effectiveness over time

Also, your own body's built-in immunity also diminishes over time.

Pretty much anything diminishes over time - your body is not a god. It grows old; it wears and tears; it forgets how to fight foreign invaders effectively. That's why old people are more susceptible than mid-life adults

Sometimes, your body needs a refresher, a reminder how to do things. That's where a booster comes in

Vaccines supposedly only provide effective immunization effective for 3 - 5 years.

It depends on the vaccine and the disease. Not all processes work the same way in your body. Some vaccines last decades, like some tuberculosis and polio vaccines

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Why do you need a booster if the vaccine is so effective?

Because not everyone is adequately protected the first time around.

Immunity is measured in time (generally years, though it depends on the disease) and percentage (the proportion of people who develop immunity after vaccination). With measles vaccination, it was found that some people didn't develop immunity after a single shot, but that a second shot gave almost everyone immunity.

First measles vaccination: effective in 95% of recipients. Second measles vaccination: effective in 99% of recipients.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/measles/Pages/measles-vax-qanda.aspx

Ask why you have to sign a waiver before the injection if it's 100% safe

You don't.

Vaccines supposedly only provide effective immunization effective for 3 - 5 years.

That is crap. It depends entirely on the vaccine and the disease.

Heard immunization...sounds like heard mentality to me

Herd immunity is a scientific reality, and it removes disease from populations, so what it sounds like to you is immaterial.

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What wipeout so eloquently said.

x1000.

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And lostrune.

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Then why does it cost over ¥6,000 here? 

I thought it was free, for kids anyway. Can anyone clarify?

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@lostrune2

It's about risk reward. I believe most vaccines aren't worth the reward verses the risk/dangers.

If you think otherwise you go for it buddy. Knock yourself out but don't you dare suggest to violate someone else's most basic right to decide what they put into their own body !

I see you did your research = full marks well done for the cut and paste. Did you bother to understand the implications of injecting even minute amounts of the listed poisons into your tissue and crossing the blood brain barrier ?

It's your choice buddy but I'm not having it and I & no one else should ever be forced to !

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@ albaleo =- no such thing as free. Someone somewhere pays & it's usually us via taxes

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It's about risk reward. I believe most vaccines aren't worth the reward verses the risk/dangers.

The science isn't with you on that.

Did you bother to understand the implications of injecting even minute amounts of the listed poisons into your tissue and crossing the blood brain barrier ?

The science isn't with you on that either.

I see you did your research = full marks well done for the cut and paste.

Yes, but the trick is to draw information from reputable sources. I recall you posting links to some godawful far-right American survivalist website - not exactly the place to go for useful vaccine data, or to learn anything with a basis in truth.

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I see you did your research = full marks well done for the cut and paste. Did you bother to understand the implications of injecting even minute amounts of the listed poisons into your tissue and crossing the blood brain barrier ?

Heheh, you'd be surprised - biochemistry is one of my subjects; it goes all the way down to the molecular level processes

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It's about risk reward. I believe most vaccines aren't worth the reward verses the risk/dangers.

Death or disability is kinda very dangerous - growing up in a 3rd-world country, there's always constant reminders

It must be refreshing not to have to think about that. Such 1st-world problems

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Check out the ingredients of the vaccine you are about to get jabbed with (read the box the vial came in) see all the toxic ingredients and known side effects written there for yourself. Be informed.

Do read on the pros and cons of vaccination too. Be critical and  well-informed.

Heard immunization...sounds like heard mentality to me

anti-vaccination....sounds like selfishness to me.

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Most of you youngsters seem to overlook a couple of issues.

Why are Governments promoting certain drugs ?

Take "Thalidomide" as an excellent example, look it up, and understand why you see a commonality between some Handicapped people in Japan and elsewhere in the World.

Also, understand what the Drug actually does for you - in some cases, it introduces low levels of the actual virus into your body so as to train your own body's immunity to detect and eradicate it... but what if your own body has a deficiency that prevents it from doing so... ?

Another good example is the yearly "Flu jab"... BTW It's yearly now... Seems like scam.

There are some medications that are proven, and effective preventative treatments for diseases that had afflicted us in the past, however some of the modern day ones, are driven by Corporate Monetary greed. This is what makes me cautious over "Blindly" accepting the need to "vaccinate" - and is that Vaccination short term or permanent, and is it worth it for the side-effects (both short, and [potentially undocumented] long) term.

If you want to fix some of the annual diseases then the only way to do so is by gene editing -but that's banned by Governments. Why ?

So, I am not against all Medications - but just against the Lemming style of following the person in front. Take an interest in what's being done to you, and whether it's right for you, before blindly accepting it.

I hope to never see another "Thalidomide" situation in my lifetime.

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Another good example is the yearly "Flu jab"... BTW It's yearly now... Seems like scam.

Are you denying that the virus mutates?

The need for the shot to be administered annually rather than once only, or once + a booster, is one of the most basic facts about influenza vaccination. To not understand this means there's almost nothing you can say on the subject that's worth hearing.

There are some medications that are proven, and effective preventative treatments for diseases that had afflicted us in the past

That's very big of you, not rejecting the entire field of pharmacology.

This is what makes me cautious over "Blindly" accepting the need to "vaccinate"

Caution is something else entirely. You're simply claiming a right to be totally uninformed about vaccination while posting opinion on the subject that is scientifically and logically unsound.

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