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Takeaways from AP report on how the search for the coronavirus origins turned toxic

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There is a reason why the WHO, who usually abstains completely to criticize governments because it would jeopardize collaboration efforts that save lives in emergencies, openly and strongly criticized the Chines government way of dealing with covid once it became clear they were putting obstacles to international investigations.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/world-health-organization-criticizes-china-over-delays-in-covid-19-probe-11609883140

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-rebuffs-WHO-report-claiming-slow-COVID-response

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/06/health/who-china-share-covid/index.html

The lack of opportune cooperation with international experts (including the WHO) eroded a lot of the image chinese scientists had in the field of infectious diseases, and that continues even now.

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There seems to be enough proof for ‘gain of function’ research and the practice of in China, funded by the US.

To imagine that viruses and bacteria aren’t targets for weaponization is naive.

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There seems to be enough proof for ‘gain of function’ research and the practice of in China, funded by the US.

The thing is that the "proof" completely debunks the lab origin theory for covid, not only the published works from WIV follow a completely different direction for the adaptation of coronaviruses, the epidemiological evidence clearly shows the animal market is the only realistic possibility ofr the origin of the outbreak in Wuhan. This is why no respected institution of science in the world consider the lab origin as even remotely likely.

To imagine that viruses and bacteria aren’t targets for weaponization is naive.

But even worse is to think something that have naturally happened hundreds and hundreds of times during the history of humanity must have been artificial just because it could theoretically be so, as logical as finding wet pavement after heavy rain and blaming it on a conspiracy because people have access to hoses.

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@virusrex

Are you saying that you have access categorically to all the records on gain of function research in the world and can say that Covid-19 was not a lab experiment?

It is strange that the researchers in China who worked in the Wuhan lab which was under the auspices of the Chinese military have disappeared!

If your belief is 100% certain then I applaud your

connections, time and reach!

Still, you have not seen this?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/20/science/covid-lab-leak-wuhan.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-vows-get-answers-covid-19-origins-gain-function-hearing

The jury is still out it seems.

But even worse is to think something that have naturally happened hundreds and hundreds of times during the history of humanity must have been artificial just because it could theoretically be so, as logical as finding wet pavement after heavy rain and blaming it on a conspiracy because people have access to hoses.

Conspiracy?

You are not a student of history, it appears.

War and pathogens go together ever since the Mongols began tossing over plague infected corpses into settlements, in the 1200s

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Are you saying that you have access categorically to all the records on gain of function research in the world and can say that Covid-19 was not a lab experiment?

That makes as much sense as saying that you could only discredit the claim that covid came from space faring magical unicorns if you have access to every single record on astronomy and biology.

The real situation is that the information available clearly and unequivocally points to the natural origin as the hugely more likely correct explanation, and that include the records you tried to use to supposedly justify the opposite explanation, when scientist find a straight forward, elegant and easy way for the coronavirus to adapt to the human cell receptors and the actual pathogen that is adapted did it in a clumsy, complicated and dirty way (that requires more mutations coming from the known ancestors) that means the scientists you are trying to blame are not related to the process, once again nature is capable enough to do it as it has been doing for thousands and thousands of years.

It is strange that the researchers in China who worked in the Wuhan lab which was under the auspices of the Chinese military have disappeared!

Did you even read the article you are commenting? the multiple failures in how the pandemic was dealt with in China and the political costs these failures have are more than enough to explain the people responsible for those policies being punished by the CCP, some were even punished for cooperating with international experts. There is zero need for any conspiracy about the origin, much less when the available evidence says the natural way explains the situation without the self contradictions and impossible complications the laboratory theory requires.

The jury is still out it seems.

No it is not, when you have to go back to 2021 (and even use Rand Paul!) to refute evidence being published later you are accepting you understand your position is mistaken and you are instead interested in misleading people with outdated, discredited theories.

There are many reports that show the lab origin is realistically impossible according to the evidence, and these report have been available for almost two years without being contradicted by further evidence

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337

Conspiracy?

You are not a student of history, it appears.

There has been exactly zero pandemics caused by pathogens artificially developed, zero. Natural zoonoses on the other hand explain every infectious disease that affect humans almost without exception. Pretending this very likely explanation is false (even if proved scientifically on this case) just because you think differently only evidences antiscientific bias.

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