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Two Europes: Low vaccine rates in east overwhelm ICUs

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By STEPHEN McGRATH

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So, Burning Bush, Is this an acknowledgment from you that the vaccine (I know you can't actually bring yourself to call it that), is working at keeping people out of hospital and helping us to return to normal lives? Your comments on Norway and Denmark would indicate that but you offer no thoughts on the dire situation mentioned in Eastern Europe.

What a shame that some people have spread misinformation that had prevented some from taking the vaccine.

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@Burning Bush that's just not true though... This is from their leaders "The basis for an open society is vaccinations. 86 % of all invited (from 12 years and up) have received 1+ dose. 96 % of everyone above 50 are fully vaccinated." he tweeted Friday. "Throughout the pandemic [Denmark] has had higher acceptance than many comparable countries. No mandates needed." It's not about them accepting individual freedom, so much as their country being educated enough to make the right choices. That is the key difference between them and many other nations (especially the US).

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Anybody else notice that when anti-vaxxers use the percentages of unvaccinated in a country they tend to include children - the group generally not eligible. It’s also worth noting that they are the group anti-vaxxers believe shouldn’t be given the vaccine, citing the very low death rate and side effects.

Shockingly disingenuous.

Whether you are a grown-up with a balanced temperament or an anti-vaxxer, let’s keep it honest.

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We are not anti-vaxxers. We are against using experimental gene therapy via an injection of modified mRNA molecules to produce an protein in our OWN cells that is not necessarily easily removed from the body. Furthermore tis gene therapy has a much higher rate of death and adverse side effects than any other traditional vaccine. So it is our choice, whether not to get an injection of a suspect methodology that has not been proven safe over the long term. We reject the arguments of the pro-"Vaccine" outright and most adamantly. In my experience, I have found the more intelligence a person has, the less likely they are to get the jab. Besides, if you are vaccinated why would you care if we remain unvaccinated? I just don't get it.

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@Ronin Tsukebin: May I ask what would prevent you from taking either the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine in that case then please? I must also fact check on one point - the mRNA vaccines are NOT gene therapy. I have asked several doctors that very question and it is VERY well documented.

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What happens when you get covid?

You report symptoms, get tested, and you are told

to isolate. You are not given any medicine, no treatment

whatsoever. If your immune system is overwhelmed

after a couple of days, and the damage is already made,

you will be admitted to hospital for an ineffective treatment

that acts on symptoms (oxygen and toxic remdesivir).

The doctors know that, but they are threathened to follow

WHO "guidelines", which are supposedly based on "evidence

based medicine" (EBM). If you don't follow EBM, you become

an outcast. This is a smart way to make you take

a dangerous and experimental vaccine.

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The time has come to open up everyone has the opportunity to get vaccinated if you choose not to then play dice with your life and the time to convince anti vaxxers has well and truly past there is nothing that anyone can say to them now to get them vaccinated. The article and many other articles keep stating the same thing it's turning into a disease of the unvaccinated. So people just need to let it go and they can make their own decisions.

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Understood Ronin. Could you please answer my question re Astra Zeneca and perhaps Johnson and Johnson though please?

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Both vaccines still use gene therapy (viral vectors containing the spike protein gene) to make this protein that no human cell in the history of mankind has ever made. This is playing God. Why isn't the vaccine more simple like just injecting the spike protein or an inactivated virus which contains the spike protein as is traditionally done? Why? Especially, when everything about the Covid pandemic seems so contrived and built up to something much more serious than it really is. Yes, one day I might get severely ill but I will still stand by principles and not propaganda.

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May I ask what would prevent you from taking either the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine in that case then please?

Vaccine induced Bloodclots.

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Finally, the value of individual thought, freedom and reasoning supersedes and is therefore more important than group morals and group ethics, especially when the government is essentially forcing us with "vaccine" mandates by brainwashing the masses to believe this is in the best interest of society. The fact that many deaths used to inflate Covid-19 death numbers are outright lies, it is indeed a brave new world in 1984, now 2021. We are moving in a very dangerous direction.

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I'm curious. Are Americans who are skeptical of the gene side of these vaccines as choosy with the food they eat as the vaccines they take? Thought not.

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We are moving in a very dangerous direction.

Yes we are because many many people would rather believe what some random web site says than their own governments. Websites that can be easily produced by their own countries foes to divide and weaken them.

You think you're being clever but you are not.

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86 % of all invited (from 12 years and up) have received 1+ dose

Your own data indicates that 1 in 7 Danes have willfully decided not to take the injection.

One in 7?

Much lower than the close to 1 in 3 you were trying to flog earlier on.

Yes we are because many many people would rather believe what some random web site says than their own governments. Websites that can be easily produced by their own countries foes to divide and weaken them.

Not just that but also from opportunists. The last US election was a great example. I’m convinced that most selling election fraud to the unbalanced and the slow knew what their product was total garbage.

I’m very sceptical of what the government says ( I’m from a country led by Boris Johnson ), but putting your faith in hucksters, rip-offs and crackpots isn’t the answer.

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TWe are not anti-vaxxers. We are against using experimental gene therapy via an injection of modified mRNA molecules to produce an protein in our OWN cells that is not necessarily easily removed from the body. 

Using completely false information as the one you are commentin is typical for antivaxxers, the vaccines are not gene therapy (the natural infection is much closer than the vaccines thanks to the replicating nature of the viral RNA) and the amount and duration of the spike protein is also a tiny fraction of what is introduced in your body in the infection (not to mention the couple of dozens of other proteins the virus also produce and that are made with the specific purpose of messing with your immune response).

 Furthermore tis gene therapy has a much higher rate of death and adverse side effects than any other traditional vaccine. 

No it does not, the population for which it is used have different demographics which explains the difference with other vaccines, but saying this is because of the COVID vaccines is like saying adult diapers are terribly dangerous because they are related to a thousand times more fatalities than kids diapers.

The rest of the excuses in your comment are as easily to prove wrong or plainly false. Lying to "justify" an irrational refusal to be vaccinated is not valid, because this could mislead other people who actually want to make a rational decision.

Vaccine induced Bloodclots.

COVID induced bloodclots are hugely more frequent, this is also an invalid reason becaue not vaccinating actually increases the risk of having them. The vaccine related clotting is only a disadvantage when comparing with other vaccines, not with not vaccinating.

Your own data indicates that 1 in 7 Danes have willfully decided not to take the injection.

Or that they have not had the chance, or that they have any of the multiple medical valid reasons that make vaccination for them not recommended. Assuming something from ignorance is a terrible basis to "prove" it.

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Thank you @Ronin Tsukebin: I think I'll stick with @virusrex for his knowledge and with @Jimizo for his sensibilities. Once anyone brings the term 'playing god' into anything, being an atheist myself, the red flags go up for me.

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These are functioning societies where people are decent to each other, respect diversity and tolerance of differing opinions is accepted.

What these countries are, are societies which are "functioning" because at least 70% of people (and growing all the time) have a sufficiently developed sense of community responsibility to get themselves vaccinated as per overwhelming medical advice, and have thereby greatly contributed to the amelioration of a pandemic, granting anti-vaxxers and other malcontents the freedom to sit back and enjoy some of the benefits so conferred without those malcontents having to actually do anything themselves - although actually the malcontents have tried to do plenty, and all of it negative. Denying the severity of the disease, whining and protesting about even the most basic control measures such as the wearing of masks and social distancing, advocating the use of untried treatments or the intervention of mystical deities, and now claiming all the benefits of other people's contributions as their right while invoking motherhood statements like mutual decency, diversity and tolerance of differing opinions, even if those opinions are utterly self-centred and misanthropic.

other EU nations such as France, Spain, Denmark and Portugal have all exceeded 80% vaccine coverage and eased restrictions.

If countries such as those who have seemingly belatedly earned your tick of approval had followed the so-called measures - or rather, lack of them - that you and like-minded posters have been advocating here for the past 18 months and more, all of Europe would be in the same miserable condition now as the Eastern part of it. In fact, it would have been worse, not only in Europe but the world over, because in all this time absolutely nothing would have been done to stop or combat the spread of Covid.

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> zichiToday  08:07 am JST

The unvaccinated are free to travel to all the EU countries, a dangerous situation remains.

What are your suggestions about it? Arrest & Execute them then take their children and give them to "better families"?

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Brillant statement of the facts @BigYen.

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@FtGuy - Zichi is right. As it encompasses ALL the EU. The sensible countries (in Western Europe) are all well vaccinated as there is no large anti-vaxxer movement, further east where cities/town are further apart people have more time on their hands, income is lower and sadly, a lower level of education the virus still rages where misinformation is more easily spread. 'Arrest and Execute' is a typical over reaction, isn't it?

So far from a leaky vaccine - more like a leaky border situation.

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Raw Beer - typo.

My apologies

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No, he is often attacked because of his statements, but nobody can deny he created the core platform on which the mRNA vaccines are based. He has the papers and patents to prove it.

Both things are mistaken, he is attacked because he keeps repeating falsethings even when it is terribly easy to prove them so, which is not onlly valid criticism but even desirable.

And no, he did not "create" the basis for mRNA vaccines, if you consider completely revampimg the technology to accomodate for actual usefulness of the vaccines just a "minor" development, then his contribution is even less important, he just tweaked a little the existing methodologies for the transfection of other nucleic acids so they would work as well with RNA, which would make the creators of DNA transfection the actual makers of the "core".

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COVID induced bloodclots are hugely more frequent

So far, maybe, if you get covid. If you get a couple of boosters, your immune system will go crazy though.

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So far, maybe, if you get covid. If you get a couple of boosters, your immune system will go crazy though.

The evidence is the contrary, even for a healthy young person the chances are higher about getting clots from the COVID infection than if he is vaccinated, and by a lot, even with boosters (specially since boosters have not even been recommended for some of the vaccines).

False

This may surprise you but a nameless person on the internet have no authority to contradict the scientific community that actually says this based on objective and valid evidence.

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Again @virusrex: Thank you for your clarification of facts without fear or favour. Others here seem to make stuff up to suit their rather odd narrative. I guess when you only read websites like 'bitchute' that is bound to happen.

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