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U.S. parents begin to ask: Should my child get a COVID-19 shot?

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The results of the clinical trials are not yet available, but here is what we do know:

In the United States, one out of every 583 people have died of Covid-19 since the start of the pandemic.

Of people who have been fully vaccinated, one out of every 100,000 has become sick and shown symptoms of Covid-19, and one out of every 2 million of those vaccinated has died from Covid-19.

So, one person's no-brainer "no", is another person's no-brainer "yes."

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Thank you amazing writers of this article. Im so glad to know that Angie Ankoma is a "Black" mother. I guess the other persons ethnic background is not important to this story. What do other people think about the need to capitalize the word black and list it in every sentence talking about someone? Kind of cringy if you ask me.

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Still disagree? Read for yourself:

Yes, your comment is still mistaken, because your reference is about one single kind of liability, none of the others (governmental investigation, suspension of license, charges, etc.) is suspended in the least, so the companies still have all those kinds of liabilities, the temporary suspension of the immunization done in several countries are a very obvious form of liability that is obviously still there.

And yes, the blood clots are rare, even if every single case was actually caused by the vaccine (not likely since they also happen to the non-vaccinated population) their level is much lower than what happen to COVID patients. That means that the vaccine still protects the immunized people from blood clots.

You may also want to read this article

https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/If-you-die-from-the-COVID-19-vaccine-in-Japan-the-government-will-give-your-family-over-%C2%A544-mil

You should be aware of ti, since you also copied your comment in that article, so there is no point in pretending that possible victims are "left to fend for themselves", victims don't even have to prove any relationship with the vaccine to get the damages.

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Considering the extremely low risk of death or serious injury to children by Covid I wouldn't place my kids at risk with an injection of a rushed vaccine they don't really need.

You are missing one point of great consequence. An infected child can infect an older adult and their infection could hospitalize them, leave them with "long haul" symptoms or even kill them. Believe me from experience, classrooms and schools are like big petri dishes. One kid gets something and pretty soon all the kids have it and they bring it home to infect their families. Been down that road too many times before Covid arrived. Be smart and inoculate your kids so they are not spreading the disease around to others who are not so young and who could suffer serious illness as a result.

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virusrexApr. 19  10:15 am JST

If the kids are healthy, giving them these unapproved vaccines would indeed be abuse.

On what data do you support such categorical judgement?

If you pretend that something doesn't exist, if you don't tend to your child when modern medicine is there to help him/her live - then that's child neglect and abuse. Parents who don't let their kids get vaccinated just don't give a damn about them. They need to wake up, it's 2021 and we have a major problem today. And ignoring it will do no good. It's abuse, period.

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It is because I do care about my kids and my own health that I went through the trouble of learning about health in general, and in particular about SARSCoV2 and vaccines.

Unfortunately an important part of the responsibility would be to properly educate yourself, if 100% of your beliefs end up being opposite to the consensus of science then it would be clear that the priority is not to know what is better but just to keep your beliefs no matter how much evidence you can find of the contrary.

If vaccines can be proved to be much safer than the infection and you refuse to "believe" this, that cannot be called learning. That is much more validly be characterized as not having the best interest of the children in mind.

Exactly. Pfizer rap sheet isn't all that pretty.

Corruption and lies to push their products (profits before people):

https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer

In the most examined and corroborated development process in the history of humankind? that is simply not believable. Literally hundreds of health care professionals in many countries were involved in the trials, and the whole scientific and medical community vouch for the results. Not only that but the data coming from millions of vaccinations also prove the safety and efficacy of the vaccine and this data grows every day.

Thinking that the whole medical and scientific community of the world is in a conspiracy just because you refuse to believe vaccine can be safe is not a logical position, that is just persisting on a personal idea in spite of the evidence it is wrong.

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The answer is an obvious no-brainer 'NO'.Anything otherwlse is neglect and abuse. Experimental mRNA technology is nothing to gamble with

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The vaccines lower the risk of disease and death very importantly for all the people immunized.

For the vulnerable and in the short term only.

Anything else is speculation, not established fact, and is therefore not a rational excuse to automatically vaccinate healthy kids.

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Many of the adverse effects associated with vaccinations appear long after vaccination (months or years); that is what I am referring to.

That is still irrelevant, as long as the effects are already confirmed by the infection and are completely absent for the vaccine the risk is higher for the infection. There is no weight on trying to use some nebulous possibility as if it was inevitable, specially against a completely concrete risk.

Saying that maybe something may happen is irrelevant when confronted with something already happening. To contradict the fact that COVID means a higher risk for long term problems (because it already causes them) you need concrete evidence of the vaccine also causing them to at least similar rates.

There is no need to deny something that only exist in your imagination, it is not real from the beginning.

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Science tells us that kids, and for that matter the vast majority of people, don’t get seriously ill from the virus. It also tells us vaccinations prevent the rest of us from being hospitalized from COVID.

Propaganda tells us that we’re not safe unless kids get vaccinated. It will then tell us that, after everyone is vaccinated, we’re still not safe.

Propaganda, which lead to devastated businesses and a wasted year for kids in some States, has run its course. People in those States are suffering and their citizens are leaving in droves.

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The consensus of science? My goodness. What a profoundly misleading statement.

https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

You have no idea on the consensus of science. But there are clues on the consensus of big business, the consensus of government, the consensus of our MSM, etc...

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Children already receive vaccines for illnesses that have similar or lower levels of related mortality in kids, like hepatitis A, varicella, rubella and rotavirus.

This is a very important part of the article, there is nothing wrong with waiting until more data is available about how children react to the vaccine, after all we have been lucky COVID is less serious in children than in adults so we can have that luxury, but it is important to consider carefully all that we already know.

The good thing is that parallel to the trials of the vaccine in minors the vaccines are being applied to millions of adults over the world and their efficacy and safety are becoming more and more clear even when invested parties are desperate to exaggerate the risks while trying to hide the problems originated by the disease itself.

Even while considering long term effects vaccines are still the much less risky option, because even if nobody knows the future we already know what has happened, COVID being correlated with long term and even permanent health problems including in children, while no known mechanism could produce anything similar for the vaccine.

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The results of the clinical trials are not yet available, but here is what we do know:

Regarding kids, what we know about Japan is that nobody under 20 has died from covid19 (and no serious cases) out of about 50,000 confirmed infections. If the situation is different in the US, parents should ask themselves why.

Both Pfizer and Moderna are already testing their experimental COVID vaxxes from infants (6 months) and up.

Forgive them (parents); for they know not what they do... but they should if they really cared...

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Regarding kids, what we know about Japan is that nobody under 20 has died from covid19 (and no serious cases) out of about 50,000 confirmed infections. If the situation is different in the US, parents should ask themselves why.

There is no real mystery, the number of cases in a segment of the population is well correlated with the number of cases in the population in general, the number of cases in Japan is much reduced compared with the US (but higher compared with neighboring countries), likely because the population has been much more responsible with the social distance measures. That would mean that eventually the population will have to choose between measures to prevent widespread transmission in children, either continue with State of emergency style measures or include children in the immunization, else this population becomes the only one exposed while the rest is protected.

The point is that for adults the vaccine has proved to be much safer than the infection, this is what justifies now including other population. It would be irresponsible to let unprotected a segment of the population with a safe vaccine being available just because it was not tested. As mentioned in the article children are already safely immunized against other diseases that are less risky for them than COVID.

*PRO SAFE VACCINE here...but the COVID vax is not SAFE and they are liability free for vax companies*

This is completely false no matter how many times you keep copy-pasting the same comment in every article, the vaccines against COVID (including the only one approved in Japan) have demonstrated to be safe, effective in preventing symptomatic disease, complications, death and likely even transmission. Vaccine companies are still liable in multiple forms and anybody can apply for damages even without proving the vaccines were responsible for any problem, they just have to prove the problem is possibly related to the vaccine.

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Glad you are aware that there is risk of death with these COVID vaccines.

Everything in life comes with a risk of death, the important points are two.

The vaccines lower the risk of disease and death very importantly for all the people immunized.

The people are not left for themselves, and depending on the country (such as in Japan) the compensation is close to automatic, without need of proof of causality. And even on the US the mechanisms of compensation are not fixed and keep being optimized continuously, so using an article of a year ago is no longer representative of the current situation.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443

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Considering the extremely low risk of death or serious injury to children by Covid I wouldn't place my kids at risk with an injection of a rushed vaccine they don't really need.

Let every family make thier own decision without judgement or coercion from others, especially the government.

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Let every family make thier own decision without judgement or coercion from others, especially the government.

You never responded to the very clear example I gave why this is not a rational position, was the example "too" clear?

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The answer is an obvious no-brainer 'YES'.Anything wlse is neglect and abuse. CoVid is nothing to gamble with.

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To be fair, as long as US parents keep their kids on the standard American diet, vaccines might not be such a silly idea.

But what US parents (actually everyone) should be doing is cut the carbs, especially the process/refined ones.

If the kids are healthy, giving them these unapproved vaccines would indeed be abuse.

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If the kids are healthy, giving them these unapproved vaccines would indeed be abuse.

On what data do you support such categorical judgement? it is still perfectly possible that the trials shows that vaccines to lower the risk of children after infection, even if this risk is already low (as mentioned with other examples in the article). Imaginary dangers that would have been already evident by this time are no argument to reject something that can help prevent long term health problems and even death.

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@virusrex

You never responded to the very clear example I gave why this is not a rational position, was the example "too" clear?

I'd rather not go around in circles with you virusrex. How about we agree to disagree with no hard feelings? All the best to you and yours.

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For the vulnerable and in the short term only.

For everybody and for all kinds of terms until there is any evidence of the contrary. Every person target of immunization gets a reduction of risk. And since COVID already is correlated with permanent risk that means the vaccine is safer until the same correlation is demonstrated for it, at this point there is none.

I'd rather not go around in circles with you virusrex. How about we agree to disagree with no hard feelings? All the best to you and yours.

My point is that it was extremely easy to demonstrate that not even yourself consider that position valid, as long as the risk is something you personally believe it becomes easy to justify not letting people impose it on others without consequences. That is having double standards and its completely invalid.

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For the vulnerable and in the short term only.

For everybody and for all kinds of terms until there is any evidence of the contrary.

So because we have no idea what the long term effects are, we should assume it's safe? Really? You actually believe that?

I'd rather not go around in circles with you virusrex. How about we agree to disagree

Good idea. I think an agreement will never be reached...

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So because we have no idea what the long term effects are, we should assume it's safe? Really? You actually believe that?

No, because it has no long term effects and the other option already have them then it is perfectly valid to conclude it is safer as long as the situation continues like that, it should be obvious. You want to consider it less safe than COVID? then you need to present evidence it produces more long term problems. That is how risk works.

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Parents who don't let their kids get vaccinated just don't give a damn about them.

It is because I do care about my kids and my own health that I went through the trouble of learning about health in general, and in particular about SARSCoV2 and vaccines.

There is no way in hell that my kids will get a rush unapproved covid vaccine. They don't need it.

They need to wake up, it's 2021 and we have a major problem today. And ignoring it will do no good. It's abuse, period.

Yeah, people have to wake up and finally realize that these pharmaceutical companies, which can make several billions from the sales of these vaccines, do not necessarily have our best interests in mind. They have been fined for billions over the years for falsifying data and bribing regulators. Ignoring this will do no good.

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If vaccines can be proved to be much safer than the infection

As Raw Beer explained, the vaccine manufacturers have been found to be corrupt, and those who approve vaccines have been proven to have conflicts of interest. So no vaccines have been proven to be safe. If a parent cares about their kids, they would not assume these vaccines are safe.

BTW, what happened to Raw Beer's posts?

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The consensus of science? My goodness. What a profoundly misleading statement.

Why would that be? it is the official position of every recognized medical and scientific organization in the wordl, there is nothing misleading about it.

Even the information in your reference supports it, VAERS have not found any elevation of risk in vaccinated people when compared with unvaccinated ones, and a huge reduction when compared with infected people. That is why the consensus of science (according to all scientific and medical institutions) is that COVID vaccines are safe and effective.

The reputation of the manufacturers is an excellent reason to have external observers corroborating carefully all the data, which is why this is exactly what was done. At this point you don't have to trust any company at all, the whole scientific community is the one vouching for the vaccines, based on huge amounts of data from millions of vaccinated peope.

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Consider yourselves lucky if he or she doesn't just get a shot...

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Many of the adverse effects associated with vaccinations appear long after vaccination (months or years); that is what I am referring to.

You seem to be limiting yourself to effects that appear immediately after vaccination.

Nobody knows what the effects of these vaccines are long term, no matter how much you try to deny them.

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Pfizer/Moderna COVID VAX "testing" April-May 2021

Both Pfizer and Moderna are already testing their experimental COVID vaxxes from infants (6 months) and up. Children are already asymptomatic except those few outliers which pharma is this reason using to inject all children with. Goal in the USA now is have all infants / children experimentally COVID vaccinated at the beginning of the school year in September 2021.

Children in Japan up to 7 years old are not required and don't wear masks. This is the entire country of Japan. Knowing that children are deemed by Pharma to be the superspreaders why in the world have schools been open for the past year? Schools should already have 100% infection rate by now yet they haven't closed. The staff have not been infected. Where are their cases?

Knowing that these jabs aren't effective at all (lower cough / headache worth the risk??) with risks of negative adverse events (not just fever or muscle pain, the infamous blood clots, permanent or temporary disability, stroke, heart attacks, death) this just feeds into Pharma's control and profits.

PRO SAFE VACCINE here...but the COVID vax is not SAFE and they are liability free for vax companies (whatever happens to your children you are on your own - any deaths "ARE NOT LIKELY" related to the vaccines)

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Yeah, people have to wake up and finally realize that these pharmaceutical companies, which can make several billions from the sales of these vaccines, do not necessarily have our best interests in mind. They have been fined for billions over the years for falsifying data and bribing regulators. Ignoring this will do no good.

Exactly. Pfizer rap sheet isn't all that pretty.

Corruption and lies to push their products (profits before people):

https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer

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