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AstraZeneca, Pfizer vaccines effective against Delta COVID-19 variants: study

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No mention of the Moderna jab's effectiveness.

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The Oxford researchers also analysed reinfection patterns in people who had previously had COVID-19. The risk of reinfection with the Delta variant appeared particularly high in individuals previously infected by the Beta and Gamma lineages that emerged in South Africa and Brazil, respectively.

This was expected from previous information already reported but it is always good to have confirmation, and directly contradicts the belief that the natural infection provides better protection than the vaccines. People are at an increased risk with each new variant, so there is a lot of value in preventing widespread infection (that facilitates the adaptation of the virus) and that will lower the risk even for people that have been already infected with another variant.

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Last week, an analysis by the Public Health England (PHE) showed that vaccines made by Pfizer Inc and AstraZeneca offer high protection of more than 90% against hospitalization from the Delta variant.

This is great news. Everyone who wants to see an end to this pandemic should be happy with it. Yet in Australia, on the basis of a 1-in-1.8 million chance of death from blood clotting, the use of AstraZeneca will be discontinued from later this year, and public confidence in the vaccine has been shot in the head by a bumbling, incompetent Federal Government jumping at shadows.

In the meantime, those of us who are prepared to do something positive about getting out of the situation we're in will be having our first or second AstraZeneca shots regardless, and the news in this article makes us even more keen to do so.

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Yet the Ugandan Olympians who had been fully vaccinated using AZ still contracted the virus...!!!

More misinformation than a Donald trump campaign speech

Vaccinate the elderly and those with secondary illnesses and this is reduced to less dangerous than the yearly flu!

Then Open the borders immediately!

Why the need to vaccinate the world with provisionally approved vaccines that do not give immunity?

Absolutely ludicrous to shut down the world once those most at risk have been vaccinated!

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and yes sputnik does not exist...

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Japan Today - please report on the vaccines available in Japan. That is what your readers are interested in. The article will lead people to want Pfizer over Modena.

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Japan Today - please report on the vaccines available in Japan. That is what your readers are interested in. The article will lead people to want Pfizer over Modena.

Agreed. I can help to a degree: an excellent foreigner living in Yokohama has created this website, which gives information on vaccines and registration: https://findadocjp.org/

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Lots of new studies and lots of new guidance coming out from a variety of countries and health bodies. Seem to show vaccines are not fully effective and not risk free. And yet still many news outlets and large corporations are sticking to the "vaccinate everybody" mantra as a solution to "eliminating Covid" (which will never happen).

not sure why that is, but it does make me feel uneasy.

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not sure why that is, but it does make me feel uneasy.

It is very easy to know why, vaccines do not have to be perfect to still be much better than not vaccinating. Your position is like saying that you keep finding examples where people died in accidents even if they were wearing seat belts so you find strange that everybody still push for their use.

The answer should be obvious, if the vaccine reduces importantly the risk then it is doing its job as intended, there is no information at the moment that can contradict this.

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Hmmmm..... But there appears to be information that some vaccines cause severe side effects in certain age groups and gender groups. and those groups are currently considered very low risk of dying from Covid. As well as people who have already had Covid and therefore get no benefit from vaccines.

Not worth knowing and discussing?

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Hmmmm..... But there appears to be information that some vaccines cause severe side effects in certain age groups and gender groups. and those groups are currently considered very low risk of dying from Covid. As well as people who have already had Covid and therefore get no benefit from vaccines.

Not worth knowing and discussing?

Yeah, strange how there is a constant aggressive push to get everyone vaccinated but no honest and open discussion on the real pros and cons, and on the safe and effective treatment options.

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Not worth knowing and discussing?

There are plenty of sites where that is being discussed professionally, with world class experts providing very pertinent information and scientific data to properly compare between risk and benefit, media outlets usually wait until those discussions reach a conclusion before printing that conclussion.

Yeah, strange how there is a constant aggressive push to get everyone vaccinated but no honest and open discussion on the real pros and cons, and on the safe and effective treatment options.

On the contrary, one good thing that can be seen here frequently is an effort to keep the discussion actually honest by debunking false or misleading information that some people keep using. For example trying to push unproved or even worse worthless treatments or insane conspiracies based on the belief that doctors and scientists hide drugs from their own families and friends just for money.

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Yeah, strange how there is a constant aggressive push to get everyone vaccinated but no honest and open discussion on the real pros and cons

Well yes, if you have an arbitrary definition of "honest and open". Realistically, no one is going to meet your standard, which you will shift and keep shifting as convenient.

and on the safe and effective treatment options

Treatment options are definitely discussed. Where have you been for the last 18 months? It's a bleeding pandemic, which has resulted in vast numbers of people being infected, getting sick, and needing treatment.

But yeah, randomly adopting every quack method in sight hasn't been the general scientific and medical trend. Nor has a suggestion that people needn't bother with vaccination and should just catch the disease and get treatment for it.

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in the UK, which vaccines were used?

is the recent spike in cases resulting in increased hospitalizations?

would be useful to have details about what is happening and why.

Regardless, I agree with other posters- vaccinate the vulnerable and then open up. There is questionable benefit to vaccinating the young and healthy.

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Treatment options are definitely discussed. Where have you been for the last 18 months?

Well, over the past year I have seen countless videos, facebook pages... being deleted. Including videos of experts like Pierre Kory testifying to a senate committee. People are afraid to even mention ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine on their podcasts.

Anyway, regarding the above article, I check a document from Public Health England:

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England, Technical briefing 16, 18 June 2021.

Apparently, among the 60,624 people that showed up in the emergency with a confirmed delta infection, 35,521 were unvaccinated and 4,087 were fully vaccinated (at least 14 days after 2nd dose). Interestingly, 34 out of the 35,521 unvaccinated died, while 26 out of the 4,087 fully vaccinated died.

Is it just because the fully vaccinated tend to be older? I hope they will look into that...

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Deleted videos and facebook pages? no problem as long as you can just link to the scientific journals that say the same thing: Science, Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, etc.

The journals say something different? thought luck, that would be why the videos were deleted then. Trump is no longer in office but there are other people that could use them to put in danger lives. Better not to give them ideas.

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The link to the Wuhan Institute of Technology was ridiculed, "debunked", and censored (such discussion was not allowed). The fact that a leak may have occured from the lab (accidentally) was considered heresay and was "debunked" by the so called fact checkers.

It is no longer "debunked"

Now it is being accepted as a reasonable hypothesis and openly discussed by "mainstream media".

Censorship is not science and has no place in science. Ask Copernicus about this, who was once villified for his belief, against the mainstream "science" that the earth was not the center of the solar system or universe.

Open discussoin and the ability to postulate all possibilities is how we advance science as a species.

Covid should be no exception (and only is an exception for those with a vested interest in the outcome).

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People are afraid to even mention ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine on their podcasts.

They should be embarrassed, not afraid. A clear case of misplaced priorities.

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It is no longer "debunked"

Yes it is, the reasons used to defend the "high" probability of that theory are still false. It is still theoretically possible (same as coming from outer space or being a biological attack from other countries against China), but the lack of evidence to support it, as well as the evidence that clearly points to a natural origin still means this is an extremely unlikely possibility.

This is the same as the beginning, people of all levels saying this may be the case, but would be a really long shot and would require really convoluted explanations were never censored, because that was always true. On the other hand people that even now say that this is the only possibility, confirmed by american intelligence and a scientific report are still believing in conspiracies, because none of those supposed reasons are real.

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@virusrex

It is still theoretically possible (same as coming from outer space or being a biological attack from other countries against China),

Please...this is a ridiculous statement...same as coming from outer space? If you are even 1/10th of a scientist you know that is a non starter.

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Please...this is a ridiculous statement...same as coming from outer space? If you are even 1/10th of a scientist you know that is a non starter.

Again, the argument is that this is theoretically possible, not that it is realistically so, much less likely. There are countless possibilities that have not been proved false, some because there is no real merit on doing it, others because much more simple, easy and congruent explanations are simply better, for example the natural origin.

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