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Vaccine could virtually eliminate cervical cancer: study

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What made you guys decide to write something after so long? You really should mention your sources. Regardless, I'm glad you bigger guys have the guts to bring this issue into the spotlight again.

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There's a popular lie in the antivaccine cesspool about Japan banning HPV vaccines, so let's squash that one before it gets rolling in this thread.

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/japan-bans-gardasil-debunking-myths-hpv-vaccine/

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There's a popular lie in the antivaccine cesspool about Japan banning HPV vaccines

Well, it's too bad they didn't ban it. The girls and women in this lawsuit obviously regretted taking it. You're right that the government didn't ban the HPV vaccine. But they didn't exactly encourage it either once the health problems started being reported ...

"The Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry began recommending in April 2013 that girls between 12 and 16 be vaccinated for cervical cancer. But the ministry halted the recommendation two months later following reports of side effects.

A few more excerpts;

[...] The plaintiffs, ranging in age from 15 to 22, said they have experienced a wide range of health problems, including pain all over their bodies and impaired mobility, after receiving the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines between 2010 and 2013.

Since last July, a total of 119 plaintiffs have filed similar suits with courts in Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka and Fukuoka, according to Masumi Minaguchi, a lawyer representing the women.

According to the ministry, 2,945 people out of the 3.39 million women who had received the shots by the end of last April have reported side effects.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/02/13/national/crime-legal/suit-opens-tokyo-court-cervical-cancer-vaccine-side-effects/

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The girls and women in this lawsuit obviously regretted taking it.

Something that indicates nothing, lots of people blamed vaccines for their children autism and it has been completely proven both things had nothing to do. It is not important what the victims believe caused their problems, the only important thing is what actually did.

But they didn't exactly encourage it either once the health problems started being reported

Which is a very well known problem with the Japanese government, it adopts a lot of decisions not supported by science, both by recommending things that are known to have no beneficial value and to retire support to extremely beneficial things at the first whiff of problems. Japanese scientists and doctors are the first to criticize this but there seems to be no solution for this problem in the near future.

People attribute to a lot of things their health problems, but statistically the people that have been vaccinated are as healthy or even more than an equivalent cohort of people without the vaccine, antivaxxers love to manipulate statistics trying to make people think there is a problem with the vaccine, there is no such thing and real health professionals are well aware of it.

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You're right that the government didn't ban the HPV vaccine.

Yes, I am.

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It is not important what the victims believe caused their problems, the only important thing is what actually did.

So lawyers of 119 plaintiffs filed lawsuits based on a belief that their injuries were caused by the vaccine. It's all a big coincidence, right! LOL.

Something that indicates nothing, lots of people blamed vaccines for their children autism and it has been completely proven both things had nothing to do.

You can claim or say anything you want but it doesn't necessarily make it true.

When there is a multitude of victims and parents of vaccine damaged children speaking out about the harm many of these vaccines do, along with compelling evidence and heart-wrenching stories of how they were healthy and active until getting their shot(s), not to mention the many doctors, journalists and scientists who support them, then it's hard to dismiss that it's simply all in the victims' head or some such thing.

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So lawyers of 119 plaintiffs filed lawsuits based on a belief that their injuries were caused by the vaccine. It's all a big coincidence, right!

What is the coincidence? yes, each and every one of them filed lawsuits because on a belief, there is not a single one that can prove a causative correlation. That is their right and in a perfect world scientific evidence would be used to prove if that belief is correct or not, unfortunately a-scientific reasons can be also considered. But that does not mean their belief was true.

You can claim or say anything you want but it doesn't necessarily make it true.

Yes, that is precisely the point, for both autism and damage from the HPV vaccines, people claim a lot of things but not only were those things never necessarily true, scientific data have proved them actually false.

then it's hard to dismiss that it's simply all in the victims' head or some such thing.

Of course it is not, since their number is actually LOWER than the victims with the same problems and complications that have never been vaccinated. Studying the evidence makes clear there is no special negative effect in neither case and you are only describing the inevitable problems that happens to people in big populations.

Let me be clear about it

Many victims do not indicate a cause, it only indicate many people suffer from something.

There is NO compelling evidence, not even flimsy evidence, what there is is evidence that the vaccine is safe.

Saying their problems happened after a shot is not evidence, that also happens to people of the same age without any shots, to be an argument you need to prove HIGHER numbers of people when compared with the general population, that is not true in this case.

Journalist, doctors and scientist only support the "victims" but never their unsubstantiated claims. There is a huge difference between a doctor saying "yes, this kid has a big health problem" and saying "the problem is caused by the vaccine". Many doctors can say the first thing with clear evidence, none for the second.
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Vaccines contain harmful substances.

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When there is a multitude of victims and parents of vaccine damaged children speaking out about the harm many of these vaccines do, along with compelling evidence and heart-wrenching stories of how they were healthy and active until getting their shot(s)

There are many medical conditions that strike healthy and active people. Others can be present but unnoticed. And parents are often highly unreliable in their accounts of when and how these things happened to their children. Vaccinations provide an extremely convenient event to bolt the story onto.

This is how the vaccines-cause-autism movement got going. When there is any possibility that a child's developmental disorder might be linked to its parents, many parents look elsewhere for a cause, and one that removes all possibility of "blame" from themselves - and no doubt, one that doesn't make heavy intellectual demands. While that may be understandable (just about), it doesn't a single thing to validate such beliefs.

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Vaccines contain harmful substances.

Yeah, women and their cervical cancers, right?!

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