Vaccine misinformation spawns 'pure blood' movement

The pharma industry is getting scared now and is doing anything it can to smear people who won't take its covid jabs. And for good reason, thanks to more and more information coming out about severe adverse effects that the media can no longer suppress. First they told us these jabs were Safe and Effective™ and that the spike protein would hang around the injection site to do its job. But whether by poor injection technique, poor understanding of the lipid nanocapsule technology or whatever else, the spike protein has found its way into the blood and organs of countless people, and is doing a lot of harm to a lot of people.

This is why the "pure blood" movement is happening, and Big Pharma only has itself to blame. No sympathy from me.

And the Project Veritas videos that came out the other day with the Pfizer exec bragging about playing with the virus to what amounts to securing a future income stream for the company has the company in damage control, justifiably eroding trust further and only lending further credibility to covid jab skeptics.

The pharma industry is getting scared now and is doing anything it can to smear people who won't take its covid jabs. 

Sure, as much as the international astronomy scientific community is scared of flat earthers.

thanks to more and more information coming out about severe adverse effects that the media can no longer suppress

You mean fake reports that are easily found so, and contradicted by the actual available scientific evidence? that is not a reason for the scientists and doctors of the world to worry, people that reject science have always existed, and their irrational rejection of evidence is well known.

First they told us these jabs were Safe and Effective™ and that the spike protein would hang around the injection site to do its job.

They are. It does.

But whether by poor injection technique, poor understanding of the lipid nanocapsule technology or whatever else, the spike protein has found its way into the blood and organs of countless people, and is doing a lot of harm to a lot of people.

No it is not, trace amounts going systematically is an expected thing to happen from every kind of local application, this is just a strawman that antivaxxer propaganda pretends is unexpected and important, it is neither.

And no, making up imaginary damages that have no evidence of existing is not an argument to disprove the safety and efficacy of vaccines, it is at much an argument to prove antivaxxer propaganda is willing to use false information to push their beliefs.

And the Project Veritas videos....

You mean the group well recognized to lie and edit videos to mislead people is the source you trust more than the scientific consensus of the world?

That would be the problem, not that the world is trying to fool you, but that you are on purpose listening to people that have demonstrated to lie just because they say something you like to hear.

And immediately descending to personal attacks because you already know your "arguments" are false and give up trying to defend them even before they are destroyed clearly shows you understand they hold no value, it is just vaccine misinformation as clearly described in the article.

There's one born every minute, they say. Perhaps by this method they will gradually self-select for extinction.

An AFP reporter who infiltrated one of the closed "pure bloods" Facebook groups found posts vilifying doctors administering vaccines as "an arm of the state."

Other posts contained a cartoon image of a nurse holding a syringe and standing in a field full of skulls, and another of "victims" tumbling out of a vaccine bottle in crutches and wheelchairs.

Interesting....and they all support for President a guy that has assured them that the vaccine is "safe, and it works"....and encourages all his supporters to get it...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-urges-all-americans-to-get-covid-vaccine-its-a-safe-vaccine

So they enthusiastically support a guy that is an "arm of the state" and is sending them to a "field of skulls"....

Welcome to MAGA world....

Notice how they can't say it's inaccurate, only "unfounded".

That is what scientific accuracy means, people making baseless claims can be characterized as such, the burden of proof is theirs, without evidence their claims can be ignored.

If HIV can be passed in blood, why not synthetic mRNA that persists in the body? 

Because mRNA has no realistic way to self propagate? that completely defeats the mischaracterization of the vaccines as "persistent" nobody expects the mRNA or the protein to disappear completely in every person in days, what is important is that this represent a much more limited risk when compared with the natural infection, that has been demonstrated not only to spread in many organs and tissues of the body but actively persist there by replicating and producing many different viral proteins.

The mRNA in the vaccines is not infective, pretending otherwise (by comparing it with a virus) makes no sense.

Vaccine skeptics blocking transfusions for life-saving surgeries..

Do they? I am aware of a case where the state refused to allow a child to receive blood from unvaccinated volunteers...

Jessa Merrill, from the American Red Cross, told AFP. "... vaccine components themselves are not found within the bloodstream."

We've known for a while that that is completely false. All components of these mRNA injections have been found to circulate in the bloodstream, and the spike protein itself could be detected in blood for months.

And for good reason, thanks to more and more information coming out about severe adverse effects that the media can no longer suppress.

Indeed, there is an ever increasing number of peer-reviewed studies from all over the world documenting these severe adverse effects, and even government health agencies increasing admitting to them. There is clearly no scientific consensus that they are safe and effective.

If I needed a blood transfusion, I would certainly prefer getting blood from an unvaccinated person.

In closed social media groups, vaccine skeptics -- who brand themselves as "pure bloods" -- promote violence against doctors administering coronavirus jabs

Do they? Why don't they give examples of such promotion of violence?

alongside false claims of mass deaths of vaccinated people.

No, these are not false claims. They are very well documented, though not yet officially acknowledged...

As long as we have an unvaccinated group, we will be able to study and compare.

"Pure bloods"- that is hilarious.

Maybe they shouldn't have tried to force people to prove vaccination status? Maybe this is more a reaction to the notion that unvaccinated people are to be discriminated against in normal society? A lot of people would agree that people without a vax pass shouldn't be allowed in certain venues. So those people who are against that kind of discrimination have just doubled down with a ridiculous claim of "purity". Idk, just wondering.

Do they? I am aware of a case where the state refused to allow a child to receive blood from unvaccinated volunteers...

Making irrational demands to complicate an already strained system is the part that is worth criticism. If there is absolutely no evidence the blood represents any extra risk those making the irrational demans are at fault.

We've known for a while that that is completely false

In significant quantities and specially in a way that represents any detectable risk this is completely true. Compared with the natural infection vaccines produce much less mRNA and proteins.

Indeed, there is an ever increasing number of peer-reviewed studies from all over the world documenting these severe adverse effects

You repeatedly make this claim only to never produce such studies, the ones brought explicitly contradict the claim in the conclusions or have been rebuked by post-publication peer review as making conclusions not supported by the evidence presented.

This means the claim is still completely false according to the scientific consensus.

No, these are not false claims. They are very well documented, though not yet officially acknowledged...

They are completely false, no evidence of a higher rate of death on vaccinated people (and strong evidence of the opposite) means the claims have been demonstrated as false.

Maybe they shouldn't have tried to force people to prove vaccination status?

When people take irrational decisions that increase the risk for others it is valid that they will have to deal with the consequences of their decisions. People are free to have irrational beliefs and to put others at an increased risk because of them, but they will have to also assume the consequences of their actions until they prove their choice is better with solid objective evidence.

So those people who are against that kind of discrimination have just doubled down with a ridiculous claim of "purity"

If people take pride in making an irrational decision and refusing to accept logic arguments and evidence it is not surprising that they become more and more distanced with reality. Putting others at a higher risk to try to avoid this obvious consequence of pandering to irrationality makes no sense.

We've known for a while that that is completely false. All components of these mRNA injections have been found to circulate in the bloodstream, and the spike protein itself could be detected in blood for months.

Who's this 'we'? You and the other Facebook University alumni?

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-covid-19-vaccine-generated-spike-protein-is-safe-contrary-to-viral-claims/

"When people take irrational decisions that increase the risk for others it is valid that they will have to deal with the consequences of their decisions."

You really don't have any idea what you're talking about. People who refused to take the vaccine, so called "purebloods", don't pose any more risk to others than those who were vaccinated. This is ACCORDING TO THE CDC. Sorry for the capitalization it's just that this particular piece of misinformation is getting tiresome. IF the vaccine were showed to STOP transmission even somewhat, then maybe it would be a concern to allow "purebloods" to comingle with the upgraded humans.

"My vaccine doesn't work unless you take yours, something something, redefine herd immunity. "

Just stop it already.

@funkymofo

"Who's this 'we'? You and the other Facebook University alumni?"

Really anyone who gets their information from published studies rather than so called fact checking websites. Do you know who pays those fact checkers? Also, the claim that mRNA spike protein is found in the blood is not debunked by claiming it's not dangerous. It's like the FDA saying "yeah a few maggots in your food should be fine." It's definitely in there. The maggots in the food, and the spikes in the blood. That's just how it is.

So is blood from those jabbed with traditional vaccines acceptable or everything from the vaccinated is tainted?

I wonder if these "pure bloods" are totally opposed to filling their bodies with refined sugar, alcohol, car fumes and anything else that will pollute them. I'd love to see pictures of these presumed Adonises and read of their lifestyles. I wouldn't be prepared to follow the lifestyles of any of the anti-vaxxers I have met.

"I wouldn't be prepared to follow the lifestyles of any of the anti-vaxxers I have met."

Why do you need to follow anyone? Or did you decide for yourself getting a brand new untested treatment was the "right choice" after months of fear mongering, coercion and propaganda from the media and the Experts in Science?

"You won't catch covid or spread it if you get the vaccine." Well, that was a lie.

Blimey- This is like something out of a cult. If I'm in an accident / or have surgery in any country with a half decent medical system I'm not going to be asking (if capable) if the donor had a Covid Vaccine! Some of you mystify me. @Raw Beer - Do you have ANY idea how pompous you sound?

Anybody comparing this with receiving HIV tainted blood in the past has really lost the plot.

MoonrakerToday  03:14 pm JST

I wonder if these "pure bloods" are totally opposed to filling their bodies with refined sugar, alcohol, car fumes and anything else that will pollute them. I'd love to see pictures of these presumed Adonises and read of their lifestyles. I wouldn't be prepared to follow the lifestyles of any of the anti-vaxxers I have met.

You're missing the point. Whether someone drinks alcohol or eats burgers or whatever, the decision to do so is voluntary. On the other hand, these jabs were mandated in many fields and countries to the extent that people had to choose whether to keep a job to feed the family or turn down the jab.

And many key facts and figures about the jabs were deliberately distorted or omitted by their makers, governments and medical authorities in order to encourage or coerce people into taking them, not to mention inducements like free pizza. And that continues. As a result, many people have made their decision to jet the jab, willingly or otherwise, based on deliberately misleading information from manufacturers and government authorities - in other words, disinformation.

We've known for a while that that is completely false. All components of these mRNA injections have been found to circulate in the bloodstream, and the spike protein itself could be detected in blood for months.

If true it still does not make it dangerous. Micro plastics are found in every human tested, in the food we eat, in the oceans and yet people worry about vaccines shown to be safe? Astounding. The vast majority of people have been vaccinated at childhood for a multitude of diseases, and have been saved by them, but now for some reason vaccines = bad and dangerous? I have never ever heard of a vaccine passed for safe use to be more dangerous than the disease they protect against. Not even close. Yet these people would have you believe not vaccines are unsafe. Totally bogus and anyone believing that has my sympathies for their bad choice and the danger it puts them in.

Indeed, there is an ever increasing number of peer-reviewed studies from all over the world documenting these severe adverse effects

You repeatedly make this claim only to never produce such studies,

I have provided the links to many peer-reviewed studies, just to get them deleted as "offensive / vulgar"; but I know you've seen them as you have replied to them. These claims are supported by other peer-review studies that continue to come out on a regular basis, as well as by reports from health agencies. I gave up on trying to provide the links just to get them deleted, but they are very easy to find, unless you are intentionally avoiding them...

jeffb

Really anyone who gets their information from published studies rather than so called fact checking websites.

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/mrna-vaccines-what-happens

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go

Do you know who pays those fact checkers?

Do you?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/factcheck/

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/factcheckorg-media-bias

https://www.techjunkie.com/fact-checking-websites/

Also, the claim that mRNA spike protein is found in the blood is not debunked by claiming it's not dangerous.

I did not claim either of those things.

It's like the FDA saying "yeah a few maggots in your food should be fine." It's definitely in there. The maggots in the food, and the spikes in the blood. That's just how it is.

Except it's not.

"Who's this 'we'? You and the other Facebook University alumni?"

Really anyone who gets their information from published studies rather than so called fact checking websites. Do you know who pays those fact checkers?

Good point!

"The Annenberg Public Policy Center, which owns FactCheck.org, is based on the University of Pennsylvania campus in Philadelphia and also in Washington, D.C. and is funded with an endowment from the Annenberg Foundation, which partners with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation."

And this:

"BioNTech signed a licensing agreement in 2018 with the University of Pennsylvania, which directly funds the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Even though Coronavirus had not yet broken out when the deal was made, the 2018 agreement ensured massive payments for the University of Pennsylvania if its technology ended up getting used in new mRNA-based vaccines. Well, UPenn’s technology did end up getting used in the mRNA-based Coronavirus vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech, and the deal has led to massive revenue for the university. Joe Biden, who was working for the University of Pennsylvania when the deal was made, received more than $900,000 from the University of Pennsylvania in the two years before he ran for president in this past election."

https://yournews.com/2022/02/07/2295061/university-that-funds-bidens-think-tank-and-hosts-factcheck-org-has/

You're missing the point. Whether someone drinks alcohol or eats burgers or whatever, the decision to do so is voluntary. On the other hand, these jabs were mandated in many fields and countries to the extent that people had to choose whether to keep a job to feed the family or turn down the jab.

I think YOU have missed the point, eating a burger or having a drink effects only you. Unless you drink and drive and when caught you pay a price. The vaccine was during a period of world wide pandemic that is no every day event. That danger was present for all, and especially the vulnerable sick and elderly. There is a social duty to take reasonable actions to keep yourself and those around you safe during such an event. Being vaccinated is one of the main defenses against the pandemic effects and death. Some refuse to believe. That will not save people. Getting vaccinated will. Now herd immunity through 90% plus being vaccinated has allowed opening up and normal life to resume.

China didnt reach full vaccination and used sub standard vaccines and when they opened up the began losing tens of thousands dead each week.

Anti vaxers are a danger to themselves, their families and society. But they will never learn. They would rather believe lies and conspiracy theories put forward by anarchists and idiots.

If they prefer to die rather than get a blood transfusion, and they are an adult, then let them die. For children, give them the transfusion regardless of any objections from guardians based on lies. They can kill themselves but not their children. Society must protect the vulnerable and the elderly from these nutters.