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Vaccine protection wanes within 6 months: phone app study

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Antivaxxers are out in force I see LOL

Seriously? An article comes about the effectiveness of the vaccines, on a website that has been sort of staying neutral all this time. Even asking how people feel about anti-vaxxers and your first reaction is "this is just the anti-vaxxers."

Can't stop for a moment to analyze things. This is why we are where we are.

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The study uses real-world data gathered via a mobile phone app with over a million active users, who log details on their vaccinations and test results, which is then analysed by researchers including scientists at King's College London.

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Long term effectiveness of a vaccine can only be know after a long time has passed.

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And with the virus constantly mutating, the effectiveness may go down against the new strains.

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Only time will tell.

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@cla68

The jabs destroy your natural immune response to the virus, forcing you to receive booster shots for the rest of your life. Not a good situation.

People have no 'natural immune response' to it, that's why it became a pandemic.

And regarding a vaccine destroying a response, um... nope, not how that works.

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Some new study in Canada about Nitric Oxide nasal sprays look promising. It’s not a vaccine but might reduce the virus load.

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From the 1st of February to the 2nd of August, the UK recorded 742 Delta deaths. Out of the 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated.

I'm assuming the numbers come from the paper linked below. Let's look a little closer.

Of the 742 deaths, 670 were in the over 50 age range. 71 were among the under 50s.

Of the 50 and over group, 389 were fully vaccinated and 205 were unvaccinated. Over 90% of over 50s in the UK are fully vaccinated. There are about 20 million over 50s in the UK. So 389 deaths from 18 million vaccinated people versus 205 deaths from 2 million unvaccinated people. I think the unvaccinated have a far bigger chance of dying (about 5 times higher).

Of the 71 deaths among under 50s, 13 were fully vaccinated and 48 were unvaccinated.

(These figures relate to the Delta variant.)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

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This is where good reporting is absolutely vital: is that normal for a vaccine? That rather important context is missing from this piece.

I notice people have to get flu shots every year, so I assume that it’s kind of common for some vaccines to lose some of their efficacy over time. But I don’t know the details and that’s what we could really do with learning from the news outlets we trust.

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Hard evidence is coming in from the United Kingdom, and it conclusively establishes that the vaccines are NOT reducing the likelihood of a Covid-infected person dying.

That is extremely strange because in all reputable sources the evidence from the UK (and many other countries) say exactly the opposite, and its presented analyzed or in full by people with recognized careers in health services.

On the other hand reports have also came about people that choose to misrepresent the data and hide extremely pertinent information that completely contradicts their point, for example that the population that has been vaccinated now in UK usually represented almost all of the deaths when vaccines where not yet used, and that the total number of deaths is just a tiny fraction of what was normal before.

So lets say that before the vaccines high-risk people represented 99% of the deaths, and low-risk patients 1%, all the high risk people get vaccinated, now 97 out of that old 99% are saved by the vaccines, so the 2% that could not be saved is still more than the remaining 1% that come from non-vaccinated people, but still represent a huge reduction of deaths for the vaccinated people.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-covid-england/fact-check-englands-covid-19-death-statistics-do-not-suggest-vaccines-arent-working-idUSL2N2OJ1ET

Some are not interested in presenting honest information, just distorted, partial things taken completely out of context specifically to mislead others. That is not acceptable.

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Keep locking down and wearing masks and not talking to neighbours and so on. Clearly we will be getting boosters for the rest of time until those too are fo8nd to be only partially effective against new variants.....

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This is where good reporting is absolutely vital: is that normal for a vaccine? That rather important context is missing from this piece.

It completely depends on each case. There are vaccines that quickly lose their protection ability like the Rabies vaccine that require yearly boosters , others that require a single booster many months after the first vaccination (like some hepatitis vaccines), and some that don't require any booster at all like the HPV. The only way to be sure about each COVID vaccine is to see how the immunity behaves in the long term.

Another thing is that the influenza annual shots are for all practical purposes a different vaccine each time, not a booster, the vaccine remains very effective against the flu strain it was made against, but as a new serotype becomes prevalent it is necessary to immunize against it.

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Um, actually, there are a number of experts who say that IS how it works.

But none of them can show any data that even indicate this actually can happen, nor they respond to the mountains of evidence that prove they are completely wrong. Choosing on purpose the people that are so obviously mistaken just because they say something you like to hear is something worth correcting.

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So we're not out of the woods yet and, what's worse, we're still in the unsafe, incompetent hands of our leaders. GULP! It's gotta be "In Science We Trust", because it's looking ever more likely that soon we'll be in for another grinding round next year with Covid-22.

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Thanks Albaleo for the clarification regarding the original misleading post.

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The reason the virus is mutating is because they say it is. Wake up.

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The reason the virus is mutating is because they say it is. Wake up.

And this can be proved as true... because you say it is, right?

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Which informed people know it is not a vaccine and does not have the effectiveness that you keep claiming. Yet every day the news states otherwise. I and other informed people don't have an agenda- what's yours ?*

How come then when you are asked to provide an institutional source, a respected university, hospital, research institute, etc. that supports what you say you never bring any, not even one in the whole world?

That is easy, because what you say is not true, and only being repeated by people that do not have the evidence to prove it. The news (and more importantly the experts) coincide that the evidence, when presented in full, proves very strongly that vaccines work very nicely at preventing complications and deaths, and even infections and transmission against a variant they were not made against.

I post a rebuttal about people that comment false information, protesting about it means you are not interested in the information to be truthful, just in anything that supports your personal point of view, even if it can be demonstrated as false and against the scientific consensus.

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The jabs destroy your natural immune response to the virus, forcing you to receive booster shots for the rest of your life. Not a good situation.

People have no 'natural immune response' to it, that's why it became a pandemic.

Um, actually there is. Our immune system includes an innate immune system and an adaptive immune system. This very recent MedCram video explains this, and its relation to SARSCoV2 response:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OZZ6_M4OB0&t=10s

The innate system is very important to being able to fight of SARSCoV2 infections. There are even people who do not produce any antibodies at all who were able to fight off a SARSCoV2 infection thanks to their innate immune system.

And regarding a vaccine destroying a response, um... nope, not how that works.

Um, actually, there are a number of experts who say that IS how it works.

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Everyone will need booster shots then. Just make sure they are provided in time.

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The jabs destroy your natural immune response to the virus, forcing you to receive booster shots for the rest of your life. Not a good situation.

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Antivaxxers are out in force I see LOL

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