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What we know about COVID-19 vaccines and side effects

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These side effects dont sound good.

My concern if this vaccine is safe is rising day by day.

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You take theexperimental vaccine at you peril. Research what’s in the vaccine before you line up to become a guinea pig

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Bell Palsy from Pfizer vaccination

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Everything you do and take have side effects, but those have to be weighted against the benefits. Saying you have 1 in 4500 chances of having bells paralysis sounds really bad, but that for people living a normal life without trying the vaccine the chances are the same, so it is not like they increased. At the same time the chances of having a less symptomatic (and less complicated) experience when getting the COVID-19 infection increase very importantly, so thinking logically immunization is still the better option.

On the other hand people with very important allergies tend to react badly to new things, but that include almost everything, from cosmetics to food, so in their specific case the vaccine is just another of the things they have to consider much more carefully than the common people. For people with these kind of problems it can be medically justified to abstain from the vaccine, but only after discussing with an expert because for them the risk of the natural infection is also much higher (since the drugs for their treatment of any complication can also trigger fatal allergic reactions).

What is not justified at all is go out of the way and suggest imaginary or irrational complications based on wrong science. Antibody dependent enhancement, infertility, phatogenic priming, etc. are all false side effects that are both based on faulty science (purposefully?) misrepresented or already debunked by the data of the natural infection and the clinical trials.

People should be careful to correctly evaluate only real risks and weight them against those of the infection, official sources well recognized are much more trustworthy than shady groups or organizations with agendas different from promoting public health and full of misleading, false information.

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Sounds much like side effects we get from the flu shot. Last year my arm was swollen and red for 5 days. It was so painful that I died. oh and here I am posting.

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Both Pfizer and Astra Zeneca are mired in lawsuits. I for one will be waiting a bit

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Oh and the Pfizer CEO is on record saying their vaccine may not work

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Results from final-stage clinical trials of two of the frontrunner vaccines were published last week and both are considered safe.

They said the same thing about Tami-Flu. How’d that work out?

I can’t help but think about the Will Smith movie, I am a legend.

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Both Pfizer and Astra Zeneca are mired in lawsuits. I for one will be waiting a bit

Just keep wearing your mask , Chris.

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@Christopher Glen back that up with some evidence the only thing I can find is the CEO saying that if you don't take the vaccine you will be the weak link that helps keep coronavirus alive and spreading.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/08/coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer-ceo-says-people-who-dont-take-it-will-become-weak-link.html

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For people under 65 without any underlying health condition there is zero need to take this vaccine.

It has no tbeen properly evaluated, the last phase of the trial will continue for two more years, so in effect everyone who takes it will be an unviting guinea pig for the pharmaceutical companies.

Of curse virusrex will be around in second to spew his usual propaganda about the wonders of this vaccine on behalf of his employers.

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So what we know is

Some 80 percent of those vaccinated felt pain at the injection site. Many also felt fatigue, headache and muscle pain and some had temporarily swollen lymph nodes.

Oxford AstraZeneca jab one person had a rare neurological condition that causes inflammation of the the spinal cord

Four cases of Bell's palsy 

Is that all?

Not an issue for me sign me up where can i get mine.

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For people under 65 without any underlying health condition there is zero need to take this vaccine.

That is false, there are plenty of people with the description you give that had a very complicated disease or even died, that risk can be diminished with the vaccine without problem.

The vaccine has been properly evaluated according to the experts that do the evaluations professionally, your personal opinion about it does not hold the same weight, you will still be a guinea pig, but on the unvaccinated side, with plenty of risk for long term conditions that have been identified even on asymptomatic people.

And no, I am not employed to correct mistakes and lies, even if you want so strongly to believe that nobody would be interested in promoting public health and that the only benefit that could move you is personal economic gain.

Someone honest and interested in not being mistaken would first consider that if the only arguments you have to defend your beliefs can be so easily defeated, maybe your beliefs were not correct in the first place, specially if you run out of arguments to defend them so quickly and have to make unsubstantiated accusations against other people (things that are against the rules).

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Nobody knows the long term effects, I'm not taking it, at least for a decade. I'd rather take my chances with the virus, at least with it I know for sure there's more than 99% chance of recovery.

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@John Smith

For people under 65 without any underlying health condition there is zero need to take this vaccine.

Yea tell that to the millions of people under 65 who now have life long lung conditions caused by post-COVID fibrosis

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Bring it on. I'd rather suffer from a little needle in the arm once, even if follow-ups are required like for the flu, than suffocating masks for months. I want a badge that I can hang around my neck certifying I got the vaccination.

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Oh for got the link

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/lifelong-lung-damage-the-serious-covid-19-complication-that-can-hit-people-in-their-20s#What-causes-post-COVID-fibrosis?

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Bring it on. I'd rather suffer from a little needle in the arm once, even if follow-ups are required like for the flu, than suffocating masks for months.

You don't have to wear one. They can't force you if you are out in public. I almost never wear one and nobody has confronted me about it.

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@El Rata

You don't have to wear one. They can't force you if you are out in public. I almost never wear one and nobody has confronted me about it

Of course not but you should hear what they call you behind your back.

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Nobody knows the long term effects, I'm not taking it, at least for a decade. I'd rather take my chances with the virus, at least with it I know for sure there's more than 99% chance of recovery.

It is irrational to reject something because it "might" have hidden long term effects while fully embracing something else that have been already proved to have them, and quite important ones at that.

Rational people are interested in avoiding those higher risks, that is why they would prefer to wear masks (the less confortable option to immunizations), even if it is not forced by law, is the kind of people that also wash their hands after going to the toilet even if nobody confronts them about it either.

Weird how people can choose to be coherent and considerate without being forced.

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Wear masks. No excuses.”

This hook has lost its bait

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I will decide what to do when the vaccine is available in Japan.

Which vaccine it is and what my personal doctor, who I trust a lot, will recommend to me.

So far I want to get that vaccine to go back to a normal life, but because of so many different informations, false or not, it makes my decicion more difficult.

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As requested https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/not-certain-pfizer-ceo-on-if-their-covid-vaccine-stops-transmission/1/424015.html

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As requested https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/not-certain-pfizer-ceo-on-if-their-covid-vaccine-stops-transmission/1/424015.html

That is very different from what you wrote, the vaccine main purpose is to stop immunized people from getting the disease, it would also be very nice if it can stop transmission but more information is to be collected to be able to say that. Seeing how asymptomatic people can still transmit it, its better to play it safe and expect vaccinated people to be on the same situation (reducing transmission importantly, but not 100%)

That is not at all saying that the vaccine "may not work". It was a completely invalid misrepresentation of what he said.

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I read a different article about the Pfizer vaccine trials, and it said that one person in the group that got the actual vaccine (slightly fewer than 19,000 individuals) had a severe allergic reaction, but that one person in the group that got the placebo also had a severe allergic reaction. So, make of that what you will.

As for Bell's Palsy, I have been afflicted with it twice, which my doctor said was very rare. I seem to have recovered, but it was not an enjoyable experience. There is a vaccine for Bell's Palsy, which most senior citizens are advised to take. In my case, the doctor said that having taken the vaccine probably ameliorated the symptoms.

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@James

"Yea tell that to the millions of people under 65 who now have life long lung conditions caused by post-COVID fibrosis "

Millions? Millions??

Drama Queen much?

That article you've linked lists three, a grand total of three patients, who needed lung transplants, in three different countries with the combined population of over 1.5 billion.

Wow, what a risk, scary indeed.

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Of course not but you should hear what they call you behind your back.

Why should I care about what random strangers think or call me behind my back?

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It'd be interesting to find out where the experts quoted get their funding from. Anyone have to time to check it out?

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@el rata

a shameful attitude. Bet they aren't all random strangers...

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For anyone who is still on the fence whether to take this vaccine or not:

"In the OWS (Operation Warp Speed) document entitled “From the Factory to the Frontlines,” the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Department of Defense (DOD) stated that, because Warp Speed vaccine candidates use new unlicensed vaccine production methods that “have limited previous data on safety in humans . . . the long-term safety of these vaccines will be carefully assessed using pharmacovigilance surveillance and Phase 4 (post-licensure) clinical trials.”

In addition, Moncef Slaoui and OWS’s vaccine coordinator, Matt Hepburn, formerly a program manager at the Pentagon’s controversial Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), had previously published an article in the New England Journal of Medicine that stated that “because some technologies have limited previous data on safety in humans, the long-term safety of these vaccines will be carefully assessed using pharmacovigilance surveillance strategies.”

You're welcome.

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Way too early to determine whether these vaccines are truly safe, some side effects only show up after a year or so.

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“For anyone who is still on the fence whether to take this vaccine or not:”

It’s not a question of being on the fence - both Pfizer and Astra Zeneca are facing lawsuits, and also have immunity from prosecution.

You’re welcome

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. . . the long-term safety of these vaccines will be carefully assessed using pharmacovigilance surveillance and Phase 4 (post-licensure) clinical trials.”

You mean these vaccines are going to get the same treatment as every other new vaccine or drug that is put on the market in the modern era? Are you going to get surprised that they had also to pass phase III clinical trials before being used on the population? Try reading more about clinical trials and how they are conducted, things you find suspicious and negative are actually normal, usual for things that are going to be used on humans. Don't let ignorance scare you, search for knowledge.

Way too early to determine whether these vaccines are truly safe, some side effects only show up after a year or so.

What we can already determine is that the vaccines are safer than the natural infection, which is the whole point. If the vaccine volunteers do not have pathologic changes that clearly indicate long term disabilities and future problems, while those that got COVID-19 do, even if asymptomatic, then we can already determine that the vaccine reduce the risks for short AND long term problems.

It’s not a question of being on the fence - both Pfizer and Astra Zeneca are facing lawsuits, and also have immunity from prosecution.

That is false, they can be prosecuted without problem if the surveillance of the government and international organism find the safety tests were not done properly and the products are deficient. You are again misrepresenting the reality (same as when you wrote the CEO of Pfizer said that "the vaccine may not work", something that turned out to be false) what the companies are free from are just lawsuits from particulars, the government takes care of that to be benefit of the particulars, but that is (again) completely different from being immunity from prosecution. You really need to improve your reading comprehension. It would be better if by default you bring the references to your arguments so they become easier to correct.

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For people at risk worried about the rushed COVID vaccine's dangerous side effects with NO LONG TERM STUDIES (they will be the guinea pig - they will become the data) you can consider looking at Ivermectin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgOAaLmoa68

Dr. Pierre Kory, Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke's Aurora Medical Center in Milwaukee, testified December 8, 2020 at the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

Amazing treatment option but you need to hear the doctor's testimony and look at their data.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

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@John Smith

Yes millions of people have scarred lungs due to covid-19 it may not be apparent now while they are young but once they start aging they will start feeling the effects

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My recent flu shot gave me the chills, shakes and bad body pains for 12 hours. I wonder if I should wait on the corona vaccine.

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@Neowave,

For people at risk worried about the rushed COVID vaccine's dangerous side effects with NO LONG TERM STUDIES (they will be the guinea pig - they will become the data) you can consider looking at Ivermectin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgOAaLmoa68

Yeah, Ivermectin seems very effective. BTW, have you ever notice that those who are constantly pushing the vaccines are perfectly safe and effective narrative are also constantly exaggerating the effects of the infection and downplaying (or outright denying) the effectiveness of treatments or preventive measures (ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D) despite all the evidence (https://hcqmeta.com/).

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No thanks. At least I know what’s in the corona virus and know I have a more than 99.99% chance of fully recovering

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For people at risk worried about the rushed COVID vaccine's dangerous side effects with NO LONG TERM STUDIES (they will be the guinea pig - they will become the data) you can consider looking at Ivermectin:

Vaccines have been studied in detail, the real subjects that will bring more information are the people that remain unvaccinated, some of whom will develop the already described and the predicted long term effects, which will then be compared with the immunized people to see the cost of refusing vaccination.

Ivermectin is of course off topic here, but there is nothing surprising on it being studied, at least not to people that do not depend on youtube to find out scientific news, it is one of at least two dozens of drugs that have shown promise in the treatment of COVID-19, the best of them (like dexamethasone) have already been included as treatment, a vaccine of course works much better preventing symptoms and complications according to the data of the clinical trials, but having more options of prevention and treatment is always desirable, after all nothing is 100% effective.

Yeah, Ivermectin seems very effective. BTW, have you ever notice that those who are constantly pushing the vaccines are perfectly safe and effective narrative are also constantly exaggerating the effects of the infection and downplaying (or outright denying) the effectiveness of treatments or preventive measures (ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D) despite all the evidence (https://hcqmeta.com/).

You are mistaken there, for some drugs their complete lack of usefulness have been already proved above any realistic doubt, so they have been discarded as options, for ivermectin the criticism is about recommending their use before there is evidence of it being useful, which makes impossible to actually collect that evidence scientifically. Scientists around the world have been trying to collect information on low quality studies in order to justify high quality ones, only to find out they cannot fill the groups because everybody is on one of many completely different doses. Other drugs are more controlled and fortunately are now in the path of having clear and definitive data about their use, hopefully demonstrating they have value, not like HCQ.

Vaccines of course complement that, because public health professionals are not religiously believing they have to be bad like the antivaxxers do, so they count with the use of every option for prevention and treatment that becomes available.

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know I have a more than 99.99% chance of fully recovering

That's amazing fact thanks.

So it's either you die or you fully recover?

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Anyway, just one more question, do anyone know of anyone died because of any of the covid19 vaccines yet?

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At least I know what’s in the corona virus

Yeah, hairy bat DNA. I would prefer the vaccine.

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I hope this vaccine can be 100 percent sure.

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I'm just asking because it may be important, I heard death is a major side effect of covid19

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I've never had problems with any of the vaccines I've taken all my life, so I'm fairly confident of my body's track record that not much side effect is gonna happen to this one too

Covid-19 is an "invasive species" - it hasn't encountered to the human population before; that's why we didn't have natural defenses against it. In a sense, it is "unnatural" - and we are as much guinea pigs to this new unnatural, invasive species. Who knows what long-term side effects from being infected by Covid-19

People don't consider that Covid-19 itself produces side effects, near-term and long-term. Anything that's new to your body -- "unnatural" to your body -- are able to produce side effects - and that includes Covid-19 too. So don't forget to consider what side effects you can get by getting infected with Covid-19, even when ya recover

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Many have already brought up the very low death rate of covid19, implying that the low death rate does not warrant risking taking a rushed experimental vaccine. But such rates have been determined by including those patients that were not treated with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, ... But if one considers the death rate in clinics that actually use the products that are discouraged/prohibited by the big pharma sponsored researchers and decision makers, the death rate is significantly lower. With such low death rate, I can't see any legitimate reason for taking any risk with a rushed experimental vaccine. It might be shown in a few years to be very safe, but by then the pandemic will be long gone...

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With such low death rate, I can't see any legitimate reason for taking any risk with a rushed experimental vaccine. It might be shown in a few years to be very safe, but by then the pandemic will be long gone...

Nope, a vaccine would still lower those rates even more, that is why all health professionals actually interested in preserving public health and protect the lives of the patients definetely see a point in vaccinating, those who see saving more lives an unnecessary "waste" obviously have other interests at mind.

There is no "discouraging" done by big pharma, that can be easily proved by dexamethasone, it completely proves that conspiracy theory as nonsense because it has been widely recognized as effective and safe, something impossible according to you (and that is why you have to pretend it doesn't even exist)

And no, the vaccine cannot be called rushed, because if follows a schedule of testing that has been already validated by other vaccines that are in use currently without problems of safety or efficacy.

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Covid-19 can lead to complications among babies and kids as well. For instance of side effect, Covid-19 infection can lead to a more severe kindred of Kawasaki Disease

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_disease

Kawasaki disease is a syndrome of unknown cause that results in a fever and mainly affects children under 5 years of age. It is a form of vasculitis, where blood vessels become inflamed throughout the body. The fever typically lasts for more than five days and is not affected by usual medications.

Other common symptoms include large lymph nodes in the neck, a rash in the genital area, and red eyes, lips, palms, or soles of the feet. Within three weeks of the onset, the skin from the hands and feet may peel, after which recovery typically occurs. In some children, coronary artery aneurysms form in the heart. (That's permanent heart damage)

Don't spread the virus - don't take the chance with your kids to suffer that for the rest of their life

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Nope, a vaccine would still lower those rates even more, that is why all health professionals actually interested in preserving public health and protect the lives of the patients definetely see a point in vaccinating,

Yeah, vaccines might lower those rates, from an already very very low number. But at such low numbers, the chances of side effects become an issue.

That is why many health professionals do not recommend vaccination against covid19. And these are not antivaxxers, they are highly respected experts of infectious diseases that recommend vaccines for other diseases, but not for covid19.

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Above, I meant: Yeah, vaccines might lower those rates, from an already very very low number. But at such low numbers, the chances of side effects from vaccination become an issue.

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That is why many health professionals do not recommend vaccination against covid19. And these are not antivaxxers, they are highly respected experts of infectious diseases that recommend vaccines for other diseases, but not for covid19.

References, many people have said they wanted to see the report from the clinical trials first, which is normal and desirable, that is very different from what you wrote, it would not be the first time you misunderstood a source.

Above, I meant: Yeah, vaccines might lower those rates, from an already very very low number. But at such low numbers, the chances of side effects from vaccination become an issue.

Sure, you just have to prove it, the experts and the data of the clinical trials do not indicate that, the decrease of the risk is still more significant than the risk from the vaccine, For you to say this is not the case you need to prove it with data.

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That is why many health professionals do not recommend vaccination against covid19. And these are not antivaxxers, they are highly respected experts of infectious diseases that recommend vaccines for other diseases, but not for covid19.

References, many people have said they wanted to see the report from the clinical trials first, which is normal and desirable, that is very different from what you wrote, it would not be the first time you misunderstood a source.

It's not a question of misunderstanding a reference. I am referring to different health professionals from yours. For example, in addition to Didier Raoult, there is also Christian Perronne, who has lead a number of various medical associations including being president of a French vaccination committee and vice-president of a WHO vaccination committee for greater Europe. These are highly respected experts of infectious diseases, they are not anti-vaxxers, and they have been harshly attacked by big pharma-sponsored medical professionals, politicians, and forum posters.

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It's not a question of misunderstanding a reference. I am referring to different health professionals from yours.

That still needs a reference, you have misunderstood completely many things you have written here, resulting in a reference that says a completely different thing.

The disgraced Raoult is not something a person interested in a valid opinion should be looking at, because now it is clear he considers lying and manipulating data for his personal gain justified even if that means putting million of patients in unnecessary risks for a treatment he knew was not useful.

How about then a reference where a professional present data to sustain an opinion not shared by any organization of health workers in the world? you understand that data is the important thing right? an elementary school child presenting that data would have to be recognized as correct even if a Nobel Prize in Medicine were to contradict him. You keep focusing in appeals to authority, in science the real authority comes from data.

That is why you need a reference, to prove that your argument is real, and well sustained.

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The anti- vaxxers are out in force, seems like their coordinated disinformation isn’t working and people in the U.K. are happy to have the vaccine. No stories of new side effects neither.

As I have said before, nothing is without risk. Nothing. With vaccines, the benefits greatly outweighs the risks. Death, long Covid? No thanks. I have had every vaccine going with no adverse effects other than a sore arm for a couple of days.

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Yeah, Ivermectin seems very effective. BTW, have you ever notice that those who are constantly pushing the vaccines are perfectly safe and effective narrative are also constantly exaggerating the effects of the infection and downplaying (or outright denying) the effectiveness of treatments or preventive measures (ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D) despite all the evidence (https://hcqmeta.com/).

Raw Beer, I've never seen so much vaccine pushing in my life from one commenter who is on here all day long, every single day there's an article on vaccines.

It's a great way to "prime" the masses to have less hesitancy and ease them into compliance for this unproven and dangerous injection from all the top vaccine candidates (Astrazeneca, Pfizer, Moderna).

When people hear "vaccine" they think "cure". There is always a risk of negative adverse events so you have to dig into the details yourself. For your family's sake ESPECIALLY if you have children because the trials did not use children nor pregnant women.

Adverse events from Astrazeneca's vax that even has NIH worried and THIS was in Sept 2020:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200914/nih-and-fda-examine-serious-side-effect-that-surfaced-in-covid-vaccine-trial

That's only 1 article but so much more out there. Why are you so keen on injections? It's not going to prevent death, disease, transmission or hospitalization. Just reduction of symptoms in case you get COVID. Liquid confidence through a needle but of course it's your choice. Do your research first and outside the corrupt mainstream news that make a good portion of their advertising dollars from Pharma ads (they would never dare speak out against the hand that feeds them).

Same person will reply: FALSE FALSE FALSE! PERFECTLY SAFE. All vaccines are safe especially these new ones with no long term studies and no data on children and pregnant women. You'll get your data as soon as the injections start on unsuspecting others so follow closely before you decide.

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Same person will reply: FALSE FALSE FALSE! PERFECTLY SAFE

Can you quote where did I supposedly said that? or are you going to recognize this is not true? Because the argument is that vaccines are safer, not absolutely safe.

I am not pushing vaccines, I am correcting mistaken, false information written here, If you don't like to be corrected it would be better if you made an effort in putting truthful, correct information on the first place, even if that information is not supportive of the supposed conspiracy of all health workers in the world killing themselves and their family and friends for profit.

If you have to abandon all your arguments when somebody proves them false, and then you have to descent to attack the person exposing you (as if that would turn the mistakes into truths) A rational, honest person would reconsider his position and understand that maybe his beliefs were incorrect.

The vaccine has proved to be SAFER than the infection, that is the whole point and what was found in the studies, you have been wrong before because you let yourself be mislead by sources known to lie for economic profit, using the same sources to "predict" that somehow from now on the vaccines will become completely different is bound to follow the same pattern. If you cannot even properly understand the results until now, how would you predict what is going to happen in the future?

And again, making your post personal attacks completely unrelated to the post is against the rules here.

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