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WHO: COVID origins unclear but lab leak theory needs study

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That grant was rejected, but we do know that Daszak sent some of the funds provided by Faucci to the WIV.

Moving goalposts....

I am not moving the goalpost, I am just describing some of the many goalposts that all point to SARSCoV2 having been engineered.

BTW, that was the same Daszak that was sent to investigate the origins of SARSCoV2.

So you think strange that experts in coronaviruses are sent to investigate how a coronavirus emerged?

Daszak is not just an expert. He bragged numerous times how it is easy to engineer the bat coronavirus spike protein. He submitted a grant proposal about creating infectious variants of bat SARS-related coronaviruses by inserting a furin cleavage site. He diverted funds provided by Faucci to the WIV. So yes, I do think it is strange for him to be sent to investigate. How can anyone believe that he will investigate objectively whether he is responsible for the suffering and deaths of millions!

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The WHO providing more daily humor. "Expert group." Hahah! Who are these experts?

People with recognized experience and capacity. This is what makes it a scientific authority.

Well, just a non-medical professional opinion obviously, because It seems some people don't give much credit to the WHO's abilities in these matters:

How about giving examples? the CDC clearly does since it cooperates fully with the WHO, so are most of the best institutions of medicine or public health in every country.

Also, so soon trying to insinuate other people can only have "non-medical proffessional opinions"? As if you could know what other people do or are?

This is not related to the original comment.

Yes it is, because Daszak inclusion is based on his expertise on the topic,

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WHO's expert group also noted that since lab accidents in the past have triggered some outbreaks, the highly politicized theory could not be discounted.

The WHO providing more daily humor. "Expert group." Hahah! Who are these experts?

Maybe after throwing its support firmly behind China at the start of the pandemic, this non-scientific agency is upset China is proving wrong its "advice" that zero covid doesn't work, when it is the only strategy in the world that limits infections effectively.

What lost credibility? the only people that complain about the actions of the WHO are the same people that always have been.

Well, just a non-medical professional opinion obviously, because It seems some people don't give much credit to the WHO's abilities in these matters:

Jamie Metzl, who sits on an unrelated WHO advisory group, has suggested that the Group of Seven industrialized nations set up their own COVID origins probe, saying WHO lacks the political authority, expertise and independence to conduct such a critical evaluation.

"(L)acks the . . . expertise . . . to conduct such a critical evaluation."

Not surprised at this critique, and neither should anyone else be.

So you think strange that experts in coronaviruses are sent to investigate how a coronavirus emerged? 

This is not related to the original comment.

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Not going to happen, even saying that the WHO should coordinate what countries decide to do against pandemic ends up with exaggeration and disinformation to oppose it, nobody is going to accept giving to the WHO (or any other institution) real power to force any country to do anything.

Well, more and more people and countries are realizing that WHO, UN and other post WW2 organizations are incapable to do anything. So, at least there is a growing demand to change that. It may take another few billions of casualties, but, eventually, we will come up with more efficient solutions.

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But it is absent from viruses related to SARSCoV2

Which is why it was not patented in viruses related to SARS-CoV-2, the sequence was included in a patent coming from the human genome.

Yeah, so the patented the reverse complement. So what? I guess someone not familiar with molecular biology could be fooled by your characterization.

Fooled in what sense? the sequences is read and translated in the opposite sense, so instead of becoming the amino acid sequence PRRAR it actually codes for the sequence YVPAE, there is no way for the patented sequence to be translated to a furin cleavage site, there is no promoter in that sense, nor it is in frame.

That grant was rejected, but we do know that Daszak sent some of the funds provided by Faucci to the WIV.

Moving goalposts when your previous accusation is proved false?

So now it is no longer Moderna and their patents right? it is about a well known motif that mediate increased infectivity on other viruses and was predicted to be important also for SARS-related coronaviruses from long ago? It was not even "this" sequence but any that have been identified producing the same phenomenon and it is terribly obvious why would any researcher working on coronaviruses try and confirm this is actually something that would make a virus more pathogenic or likely to infect humans. Are you going to be surprised also that people are investigating how bacteria behaves by getting antibiotic resistances?

BTW, that was the same Daszak that was sent to investigate the origins of SARSCoV2.

So you think strange that experts in coronaviruses are sent to investigate how a coronavirus emerged? There is nothing strange with that, the problem is that obviously this specific expert have conflicts of interest that he did not declare opportunely, but looking at everybody that participated you are not going to find people specializing on astrophysics or archeology, they are people that have all researched how viral outbreaks (and specifically those caused by highly pathogenic human coronaviruses) happen.

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Yeah, the research allowed them to quickly develop a vaccine against the virus they created! A virus that contains a partial sequence they patented years before the pandemic.

Completely false and product of very obvious disinformation, the sequence patented IS part of the human genome (and of many other organisms of the planet) which is not surprising because it is only 19 nucleotides long, which means that even for a single organism with a genome in the billions chance alone would mean any coding sequence that short it bound to appear.

But it is absent from viruses related to SARSCoV2

Even worse, the sequence patented has to be read backwards to become "the same" as in the coronavirus, so it is literally an example of "if you read this backwards and with the book upside down it read the same"

Yeah, so the patented the reverse complement. So what? I guess someone not familiar with molecular biology could be fooled by your characterization.

Daszak (EcoHealth Alliance) submitted a grant proposal in 2018 to DARPA about creating infectious variants of bat SARS-related coronaviruses and the insertion of the furin cleavage site (that 19 nucleotide sequence) into the viral genome. That grant was rejected, but we do know that Daszak sent some of the funds provided by Faucci to the WIV.

BTW, that was the same Daszak that was sent to investigate the origins of SARSCoV2.

Yep, nothing to see here…

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Plagues have always been with humanity, so sure, let's assume that this latest plague was man made.

I keep thinking about the Black Death plague of the 14th century, in which between one third and one half of all the people in Eurasia died. But sure, this time it must have been by design.

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Seems the WHO realizes they lost too much credibility. To regain it, they will appear to look for the answer that everyone is asking, but I doubt they will ever come up with the real answers and expose the real culprits.

What lost credibility? the only people that complain about the actions of the WHO are the same people that always have been. Thinking that "real" culprits being discovered is the only outcome that is acceptable is deeply illogical, specially when the possibility is still remote.

Yeah, the research allowed them to quickly develop a vaccine against the virus they created! A virus that contains a partial sequence they patented years before the pandemic.

Completely false and product of very obvious disinformation, the sequence patented IS part of the human genome (and of many other organisms of the planet) which is not surprising because it is only 19 nucleotides long, which means that even for a single organism with a genome in the billions chance alone would mean any coding sequence that short it bound to appear.

Even worse, the sequence patented has to be read backwards to become "the same" as in the coronavirus, so it is literally an example of "if you read this backwards and with the book upside down it read the same".

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Seems the WHO realizes they lost too much credibility. To regain it, they will appear to look for the answer that everyone is asking, but I doubt they will ever come up with the real answers and expose the real culprits.

the research on coronaviruses is what let safe and effective vaccines be developed in one year,

Yeah, the research allowed them to quickly develop a vaccine against the virus they created! A virus that contains a partial sequence they patented years before the pandemic.

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Searching for the obvious doesn’t make so much sense anymore. It would be more necessary to close all those dangerous gain-in-function laboratories for that such a global and deadly pandemic won’t artificially triggered happen again soon.

Dangerous because you want to believe they produced SARS-CoV-2? that makes no sense, the research on coronaviruses is what let safe and effective vaccines be developed in one year, so you suggest stopping something with proven benefits and unproven damages.

*How many times did I say here, as long as China do not allow a complete investigation which means access to all data and talk freely to all laboratory staff, the topic that the origin of the virus is a chinese laboratory, and not natural, is not off the table.*

According to science nothing is off the table until disproven with evidence, that of course do not mean the much more likely explanation is that something that has happened countless times (and in that area as well) just happened again.

How many times did I get debunked for that from our self nominated experts here...hahaha...and now, read this article.

You got debunked when you said this was proven or much more likely than the natural origin based only on what you wanted to believe, but saying any possibility is to be examined even if not a real priority? that has nothing false about it.

The virus was there to be brought to a state of generational evolution so that it would look like a naturally occurring phenomenon.

So the fact that there is no evidence is what proves that your theory must be correct? that makes no sense. Because then everything would be "proved" in the same way.

In reality there is already plenty of evidence that the natural origin is correct, just not enough to categorically conclude so. The artificial origin not only needs evidence of it happening, it needs evidence that contradicts what points to the opposite direction.

We might never know but slowly but surely the facts that were suppressed in 2020 are being acknowledged

What facts? no new information that indicate a laboratory leak has appeared at all, it is still one of the least likely options. The only thing that changed is that the WHO is making a stronger appeal to what has been always said, that every possibility should be examined until disproved or the cause confirmed. Nobody was banned from saying the same thing that the experts said, people were banned for posting disinformation like saying the lab leak was confirmed or that the virus has signs of being artificially produced (both things still completely false).

Is WHO joking? U-turn again?

What U-turn? saying that all possibilities should be considered, including those that are considered very unlikely is not a u-turn.

I wish we had an international organization capable to force countries to pay damages for causing these types of pandemics (in case if its proven or if they obstructing investigation).

Not going to happen, even saying that the WHO should coordinate what countries decide to do against pandemic ends up with exaggeration and disinformation to oppose it, nobody is going to accept giving to the WHO (or any other institution) real power to force any country to do anything.

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WHO: COVID origins unclear but lab leak theory needs study:

Is WHO joking? U-turn again?

Last year WHO concluded that it was 'most unlikely' Covid might have started from a lab.

Globally, there are estimated ~400 bioweapon research labs.

Which lab? Anyone responsible?..

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I wish we had an international organization capable to force countries to pay damages for causing these types of pandemics (in case if its proven or if they obstructing investigation).

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We might never know but slowly but surely the facts that were suppressed in 2020 are being acknowledged so maybe you won't get banned from the internet for highlighting the possibility at least

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0XMqRHihUbc&feature=youtu.be

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Unfortunately, what needs to be freely written about this turn of events cannot be posted due to the sensitive nature of online censorship. So, not only has the virus come full circle, along with scientific thinking but I will state this again, as I have stated since April of 2020. The virus is an immature bioweapon that was being naturalized by the lab but was never created there. The virus was there to be brought to a state of generational evolution so that it would look like a naturally occurring phenomenon. It was deliberately relocated throughout the world so the the epicenter would be diffused allowing for timed responses and common initiatives. China's current Zero Covid Policy is based on quantum computer modeling that has them deeply concerned over their continued viability to contain or redirect the viruses direction. The original intention and application of all this can be summarized into two words: "Orphan Island"...

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Hahaha...I can not believe what I am reading here....

How many times did I say here, as long as China do not allow a complete investigation which means access to all data and talk freely to all laboratory staff, the topic that the origin of the virus is a chinese laboratory, and not natural, is not off the table.

How many times did I get debunked for that from our self nominated experts here...hahaha...and now, read this article.

*To investigate whether COVID-19 might have been the result of a lab accident, WHO's experts said interviews should be conducted “with the staff in the laboratories tasked with managing and implementing biosafety and biosecurity.”*

*WHO's expert group also noted that since lab accidents in the past have triggered some outbreaks, the highly politicized theory could not be discounted.*

*The experts said no studies were provided to WHO that assessed the possibility of COVID-19 resulting from a laboratory leak.*

And the title of the article says it all:

COVID origins unclear but lab leak theory needs study.

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Searching for the obvious doesn’t make so much sense anymore. It would be more necessary to close all those dangerous gain-in-function laboratories for that such a global and deadly pandemic won’t artificially triggered happen again soon.

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