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Why are so many vaccinated people getting COVID-19 lately?

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By LAURA UNGAR

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Well, because it is what we were told by scientists, media and politicians.

Well… that’s not true. At least on the “scientists” front.

Vaccines don’t do that.

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Well, because it is what we were told by scientists, media and politicians.

Yes, when asked to provide a source where scientists, media and politicians said vaccines would block infection from any and all variants that would appear nobody can provide such thing.

This means that is not what you were told, just what you want to misrepresent to have a (false) point to refute because you can't do the same about what you actually were told.

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I recommend you to change the TV program from Cartoons to TV talk shows, TV news, Political discussions...

Done, nothing there, complete and absolutely lack of any evidence this was ever said by anyone. Disproving things is never as easy as when the people holding a mistaken belief give up presenting any evidence.

Ummm... because the vaccines aren't worth the needlers they are injected with??!!!

The scientific and medical consensus is that they have been terribly effective and useful against the pandemic, and the experts have the scientific evidence to prove it.

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Before covid I and I'm sure many other assumed that vaccines prevented infection. I don't remember ever reading or hearing that so I guess its just a reasonable assumption. It was only during this pandemic that I found out how vaccines work. And yes, they do work.

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"Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person," Maddow said on her show the evening of March 29, 2021. 

"A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus, the virus does not infect them, the virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else," she added with a shrug. "It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people."

here you go. cant be infected, cant transmit. the virus STOPS.

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Nope. Go read the CDC study.

the main guy here says “no one ever said” vaccines prevent infection from COVID.

well the CDC said. I posted it. Prevent. Infection. And symptoms too!

then he previously went on some tangent as to how COVID “infection” is not prevented but COVID “disease” is. CDC says otherwise.

All of which isn’t much accurate and not what the media, politicians and science told us prior to any new variant being involved.

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Initially, vaccines were the path towards herd immunity and stopping the spread. Then people were shocked to hear Fauci and the CDC announce that even the vaccinated had to continue wearing a mask...

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media and politicians said vaccines would block infection from any and all variants that would appear nobody can provide such thing.

I have posted the links at least 5 times.

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (liberal media), President Joe Biden (poilitician) and the CDC (scientists)

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you see the pro choice crowd have to justify with data, the No choice crowd can just say anything and that is peer reviewed automatically...

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I rest my case...

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MontyToday  11:30 am JST

Before covid I and I'm sure many other assumed that vaccines prevented infection. I don't remember ever reading or hearing

You can do a test...go and talk to people and ask them why they took the vaccine?

You will get 2 answers:

I think you have missed third answer.

which is because my govt or work place forced me to get the vaccination. Nearly all people I know or have spoken to have zero fear of Covid but are afraid of losing their jobs and freedoms NOT their lives!

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@jimizo

And you know what is the funniest thing of that?

Everyone who wants to take the vaccine, have to put his name in a list, so that the company can order the correct amount of shots.

So even so, you can see who wrote his name and who not.

But nobody cares, because vaccinated or not, all are treated the same. No discrimination.

But our company really wants as much as possible to be vaccinated.

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get vaccinated and you will not get COVID. Didn’t say- “most” of you won’t.

won’t be hospitalized or in the ICU or die. Not- some of you still will be.

the virus stops and you can’t transmit it. Not- but some of you still can.

see what they said (and didn’t say) to try get get vaccine compliance.

anyway I guess the narrative just continues that “no one said…..”

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I recommend you to watch TV instead of nonstop looking at Data

Done, no such thing was on any media, good to see that this prove it just a fantasy and not a real argument.

I mean, if you had a source you would have put that instead of just accepting you don't have any.

No, they were designed to prevent infection.

So according to you, as an authority they were designed with a purpose that vastly surpass all other vaccines ever made? sorry but that is not believable, preventing infection is a very nice thing, but it is not a realistic goal for vaccines to have as a primary, polio vaccines do not stop infection, nor rabies vaccines, nor measles, not influenza, etc. COVID vaccines are not different from this even if people want to completely misrepresent other vaccines to make a false comparison.

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Initially, vaccines were the path towards herd immunity and stopping the spread. Then people were shocked to hear Fauci and the CDC announce that even the vaccinated had to continue wearing a mask...

That is the very shocking effect variants have, thanks to lack of vaccination. As warned even before vaccines were even developed variants can make all immunity less efficient so the race was to have as much people vaccinated as soon as possible to reduce this possibility, the roll out of vaccines was obviously not enough and therefore other measures keep being necessary as long as the risk is not controlled.

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its clear that vaccines does not work effectively as cant protect against covid/i mean vaccinated people/.real vaccine-properly tested one-can do.not these experimental ones for emergency use,when even maker does not take any responsibility for side effects and no one knows what effect may bring in years to come.

so this is my reply to that.

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Prior to 2020, the legal definition of a vaccine was "provides immunity"

Your smallpox and polio vaccines provide immunity, there are no breakthrough infections.

For the coronavirus vaccines they had to change the definition to "provides an immune response"

Initially, the CDC thought the vaccines would reduce infection, so they dropped the mask mandates and allowed the vaccinated to go on cruises.

They were wrong, breakthroughs are extremely common.

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I said I could show that we were told that OVID-19 vaccines will completely block infection.

and we WERE told that, by my examples and many more that I could share.

the virus does not infect them- does that not mean the infection is blocked?

if vaccinated, You will not get COVID- does that not mean the infection is blocked?

Yeah never mind. this is the guy who told me unvaccinated people can get "breakthrough" cases of COVID.

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vaccine prevents infections and symptoms. The CDC.

Covid-19: Moderna and Pfizer vaccines prevent infections as well as symptoms, CDC study finds

BMJ 2021; 373 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n888 (Published 01 April 2021)Cite this as: BMJ 2021;373:n888

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was disrupted by the appearance of variants, 

There were no new variants in April when they backtracked on the false Assertions they made.

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@jimizo

Yep. But of course only percentage. No names were told.

And among employees, we also talk open and honest about our vaccine status, because many of us have to go to buisness travel and have a lot of internal meetings in small meeting rooms.

We also have some who can not take the vaccine because of health issues, and some who are scared from the vaccine. And these guys also talk open about that.

Basically names are not given from the company, but everyone knows it because of talking to each other.

And nobody is discriminated if unvaccinated. Absolut nobody!

Beginning of next months, we will have a information event with 2 doctors, who will explain and try to convince the employees to take the boosters.

Let's wait and see how the information event will go.

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Two doses and that's it.

I want the cure, can be traditional medicine or plain vitamin C.

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Elemental science. Vaccines do not block viruses, it introduces a weaker version of that virus (MRNA/RNA) so that your body recognizes the virus and reacts to it effectively and efficiently before it gets a chance to get deeper into one's cells, regenerate and retransmit. There are stages in the entire process. If you believe that vaccines block like a sunblock would deflect UV rays, then you have to brush up on the scientific definition of a vaccine.

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Vaccinated people who get the omicron virus are more likely to have mild symptoms, if any, …

Good to know as we consider appropriate response measures.

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And now, these days, the experts crawled back a lot, because the reality now shows a complete different picture.

You have failed to show even one piece of evidence that the experts ever said anything later contradicted, but you keep making that baseless claim, this is the actual problem, people that believe something, are told this belief is false but keep repeating it just because that is what they like to believe. For some this baseless belief was that the vaccine prevented infection and worked 100% against all and every variant, for others is that scientists were the ones that said this.

In both cases the people holding those beliefs are completely mistaken.

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NOT. IN. 100%. OF. PEOPLE.

Show me that in the Biden or Maddow statements based on CDC guidance.

not what we were told.

Maybe it’s what you want to say NOW. But not what we were told.

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Before covid I and I'm sure many other assumed that vaccines prevented infection. I don't remember ever reading or hearing

You can do a test...go and talk to people and ask them why they took the vaccine?

You will get 2 answers:

I don't want to catch the virus.

I don't want to get sick with Corona.

Nobody will answer, I don't want to get hospitalized.

No! People don't want to catch the virus at first and people don't want to get sick with any symptoms, mild or not. Therefore they took the vaccine.

Where do these 2 answers come from? Where did the people get this assumption or better say opinion?

From hearing and reading!

And now, these days, the experts crawled back a lot, because the reality now shows a complete different picture.

And therefore people are confused and start to question the efficiency of the vaccine.

Yesterday, I posted here in another thread, that my company will get us the Booster from End of february.

The first 2 shots were taken by 99% of the employees, but so far just 45% are willing to take the Booster.

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here you go. cant be infected, cant transmit. the virus STOPS.

How is this even similar to what you said you have posted, not even one single mention to the variants which are the main reason why breakthroughs (and reinfections after natural infection) are common, according to you this is what you could prove with references, it is not.

Your smallpox and polio vaccines provide immunity, there are no breakthrough infections.

COVID vaccines also provide immunity, the reason no breakthrough infections do not happen with polio or smallpox is because of there are no outbreaks anymore thanks to vaccination. Bui in places with low immunization breakthrough infections with polio still happen and people get sick and get complications from them.

They were wrong, breakthroughs are extremely common.

No, they were not wrong, they warned from the very beginning that variants could have this effect so vaccination should be uniform and as fast as possible all over the world, your comment is just a huge misrepresentation of what the scientists actually said.

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The first 2 shots were taken by 99% of the employees

How do you know? Did your company release these figures?

but so far just 45% are willing to take the Booster.

Are they also releasing running updates?

I worked for a Japanese company and nothing like this was made open knowledge. My wife’s company didn’t either. Nor any of my friends and acquaintances.

Highly unusual.

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Even though the shots won’t always keep you from catching the virus, they'll make it much more likely you stay alive and out of the hospital.

Just like every vaccine ever made in the history of vaccines. That's what vaccines do!

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Done, no such thing was on any media

I recommend you to change the TV program from Cartoons to TV talk shows, TV news, Political discussions...

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I have posted the links at least 5 times.

Go for 6. You’ll still be missing the point.

vaccine prevents infections and symptoms. The CDC.

You really have to try to take a breath and realise there is a whole range of numbers between 0 and 100, a whole range of colours between black and white and a whole range of answers between right and wrong.

Until you can do that you’re just not helping anyone, least of all yourself.

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Show me that in the Biden or Maddow statements based on CDC guidance.

No. You referenced the CDC. Not Biden or Maddox. Be responsible for what you claim.

You’re just here to make trouble and get the clicks.

Everybody know this including yourself.

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“no one ever said” vaccines prevent infection from COVID.

Modifying text that is still there for anybody to read is not very effective, You can go again and see what I actually wrote, which is very different and that you completely failed to prove.

Vaccines can prevent infection, and do it better than expected, that was never the goal but it is a nice finding because it means the vaccines work better than previous vaccines.

"COVID" is not an infection, you are still wrong about that, the same as there is no "AIDS" infection. and preventing the complications of the disease IS the main role of the vaccines, that is again the same as all previous vaccines even if you want to misrepresent what they are meant to do.

So, you failed to disprove what I wrote but still insist on repeating it, that speaks more about what you can or not accept, not what the actual experts say about infections and variants.

anyway I guess the narrative just continues that “no one said…..”

Well, if you keep bringing references that fail to disprove it that is to be expected. What do you understand when doctors and scientists say "surgery stops people dying from appendicitis" or that "antibiotics save people from bacteremia"? that nobody has died if treated that way? To insist on a false dichotomy where things are either 100% effective or else those that say that it works must be lying is not rational or logical, and definetely not honest.

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People might mistakenly think the COVID-19 vaccines will completely block infection

how would we think that?

Well, because it is what we were told by scientists, media and politicians.

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I said I could show that we were told that OVID-19 vaccines will completely block infection.

And I said that this generally true position (as in anyhing biological there is never an absolute degree of efficacy in anything) was disrupted by the appearance of variants, which were the cause of other measures to become necessary again, what is the point in writing something that does absolutely nothing to refute this very clear reason?

if vaccinated, You will not get COVID- does that not mean the infection is blocked?

No, it does not mean that, you keep getting confused between infection and disease. Go back a few decades in scientific knowledge and think about HIV and AIDS.

Yeah never mind. this is the guy who told me unvaccinated people can get "breakthrough" cases of COVID.

Do you have a quote for that? or is this again something that you misunderstood or misrepresent as with the quotes that you brought?

vaccine prevents infections and symptoms. The CDC.

Yes, they do (principally against the variant they were made against), it has been proved scientifically that vaccinated people are infected less and those that get infected are symptomatic in less numbers, that is enough to prove both things are being prevented. This of course does nothing to support the claim that you made, nor is prevention of infections the goal that vaccines are supposed to fulfill, just the one that they ended up achieving (less for variants) because of their very high efficacy, even surpassing what is observed with other vaccines in use before.

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Yes, when asked to provide a source where scientists, media and politicians said vaccines would block infection from any and all variants that would appear nobody can provide such thing.

I recommend you to watch TV instead of nonstop looking at Data.

These things are called talk shows, live interviews, TV news....

There you can listen by yourself what these people told us.

But these days, they paddled back a lot, because the reality is showing us now, that they talked a lot of nonsens in the past.

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People might mistakenly think the COVID-19 vaccines will completely block infection, but the shots are mainly designed to prevent severe illness, says Louis Mansky, a virus researcher at the University of Minnesota.

No, they were designed to prevent infection. When they realized that they failed miserably with that mission, they started focusing on the prevention of severe illness. That was their only remaining selling point.

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Ummm... because the vaccines aren't worth the needlers they are injected with??!!!

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