Why pregnant women should get vaccinated for COVID-19

That would be a great way for pregnant women to lose their baby.

 A shocking new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine reveals that when pregnant women are given covid vaccinations during their 1st or 2nd trimesters, they suffer an 82% spontaneous abortion rate, killing 4 of 5 unborn babies.Just as disturbing as the data is the fact that the study authors apparently sought to deliberately confuse the truth about vaccines causing spontaneous abortions by making calculations that were obviously incorrect.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-01-depopulation-alert-shocking-new-study-reveals-covid-vaccine-terminates-4-out-of-5-pregnancies-via-spontaneous-abortions.html#

Would you trust 'science' from those who think men can get pregnant?

You don't need to trust anything, the data is there to prove it clearly, when the whole scientific consensus contradicts your notions about gender the only productive thing is to realize the one in the wrong is you.

They said this about Thalidomide too

The scientific evidence from all over the world clearly says COVID is the actual risk for the pregnancy. Which would make you stand on the side of Thalidomide, trying to persuade others the huge obvious risk is not there.

A shocking new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine reveals that when pregnant women are given covid vaccinations during their 1st or 2nd trimesters, they suffer an 82% spontaneous abortion rate, killing 4 of 5 unborn babies

Big news, there is no such thing, that is completely false disinformation and well debunked (one of many similar lies from the naturalnews disinformation website). If you need to use false information to support your point it makes it clear that your interest is not to protect the public but to mislead them into making a mistake, which puts then in unnecessary danger. The science is clear, COVID during pregnancy is a huge risk, and vaccine help a lot preventing the worse parts of that risk.

No @prionking: You give up the scaremongering. Also the fact from 'Natural News' speaks for itself as a reliable 'source'

Seriously.

To prove that you're being avoidant of the truth, here is an extract from the informed consent form from Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Centre

Disinformation is to misrepresent basic ethical considerations when conducting a clinical study (which includes not recruiting pregnant patients if they are not the target group) as if this somehow meant there are confirmed risks for them. This is a very transparent way to try and deceive others.

There is nothing in an informed consent that can be characterized as evidence of any special risks, much less to the huge degree the COVID infection do produce during pregnancy. Pretending otherwise is simply disinformation. If a drug or vaccine that has been used safely during pregnancy exclude those patients during a clinical trial (for example to investigate other dosage or purposes) that do not magically make all the evidence of safety disappears.

Of course you can prove this false by referencing some recognized institution of science or medicine, anywhere in the world that says pregnant patients should not be vaccinated as a rule, and that COVID represent less risk for them than the vaccine.

You can't? that would be because there are none, the evidence is very clear, and as the article explicitly says,

Vaccinations to protect against serious illness from COVID-19 are recommended for all pregnant people or those considering pregnancy by leading health organizations

theResident

There is an extract from the informed consent form from Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Centre, Parent Permission Form (Sub Study B) for a study to evaluate additional doses of the BioNTech/Pfizer covid vaccine BNT162b2 previously vaccinated with that same vaccine.

Pfizer is responsible for conducting the study, BioNTech is the regulatory sponsor, and BioNTech and Pfizer are paying for it.

The entire form is available here:

https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Substudy-B-Informed-Consent-Form-002.pdf

On p10-11:

“If your daughter is pregnant, planning to become pregnant or is breast feeding a baby, she cannot be in the study as there may be risks to the unborn baby or nursing baby.Nobody knows what these risks are right now.”

“If your daughter becomes pregnant, she will have to leave the study.”

“If your child is a boy, and he thinks he may have gotten a girl pregnant, he or you must tell your child’s study doctor immediately. The study doctor may ask for information about the pregnancy and the birth of the baby. The study doctor may share this information with others who are working on this study.”

“If your son is taking part in this study, he is not allowed to donate sperm for at least 28 days after his last vaccination.”

That makes virusrex's claim completely invalid, and makes the article above dangerously irresponsible.

What I wrote is taken directly from a hospital document, and you can check the link for yourself. No scaremongering, just a warning from Pfizer itself.

Gain, that is completely false, this is the usual, normal, routine procedure to conduct a clinical trial not directed to pregnant patients, your completely false assumption that this somehow becomes proof of some nebulous risk that you are unable to even define is what makes it disinformation.

One very easy way to confirm this is that you were completely unable to get even one institution to support your invalid conclusion, like in the whole world. Obviously you will not pretend people to believe you that all of them, hospitals, universities, research laboratories, medical societies, etc. are included in some kind of conspiracy right?

Once again, if the experts in public health completely contradict you and you have no evidence and have to use misrepresentations and falsehoods that clearly means you are in the wrong and the experts right.

virusrexToday  12:54 pm JST

What I wrote is taken directly from a hospital document, and you can check the link for yourself. No scaremongering, just a warning from Pfizer itself.

Gain, that is completely false, this is the usual, normal, routine procedure to conduct a clinical trial not directed to pregnant patients, your completely false assumption that this somehow becomes proof of some nebulous risk that you are unable to even define is what makes it disinformation.

One very easy way to confirm this is that you were completely unable to get even one institution to support your invalid conclusion, like in the whole world. Obviously you will not pretend people to believe you that all of them, hospitals, universities, research laboratories, medical societies, etc. are included in some kind of conspiracy right?

Your consensus "argument" is hilarious. Simply because the leadership of institutions that relay on government grants and corporate funding say one thing, that doesn't mean that all their members agree. And since dissidents doctors, nurses and other suitably qualified scientists are threatened with deregistration, firing etc, but those venerable institutional heads, that's one key way that that the manufactured consent continues. Your constant appeals to authority simply show you have to resort to fallacies and hope nobody will notice.

Your consensus "argument" is hilarious. Simply because the leadership of institutions that relay on government grants and corporate funding say one thing, that doesn't mean that all their members agree.

You saying every insitution of medicine and science in the world are wrong for recommending the vaccines is simply not a credible argument, you are the one providing zero proof of what you want to believe, so if the world says one thing based on clear evidence that is what is right by logic and reasons. And no, 100% of the institutions of the wolrd do not work with Pfizer as you mistakenly believe, and much less would people recommend the vaccines to be used by their family and friends (including in pregnancy) for money, only someone that moves exclusively by economic reasons would ever believe.

I understand you personally would choose a salary over the health of your family, some people are like that, but if you believe all the professionals of the world are the same you are demonstrably wrong, this proposition is unbelievable no matter how you want to present it.

So, any institution yet? clear scientific evidence?

@virusrex

Keep up the good work.

As always, rational, clear and informative.

So, any institution yet? clear scientific evidence?

Simply because the heads of institutions put out one message, that doesn't mean all members agree. To claim otherwise would be disingenuous. You do realise why the NHS had to drop its ban on unvaccinated workers, right? It's because so many staff refused to get the jab after they saw what damage it had done that they risked severe staff shortages. Of course that's not the reason the government gave, but they couldn't go on without more than a skeleton staff otherwise.

Just face it: your beloved covid vaccines are coming up against increasingly stiff resistance. Why? Because they have a highly questionable safety and efficacy record that's being distorted or plain-out hidden in order to get as many people jabbed regardless of the human cost.

Simply because the heads of institutions put out one message, that doesn't mean all members agree

Again, this is outside of what any reasonable person could believe, because it requires a person to purposefully hide supposedly dangerous vaccines that are going to be used for their own friends and family members just so they can get a salary, someone that is completely centered into himself and would do anything for money may believe all the professionals of health of every single institution of the whole world would do that, but a rational person immediately understands this is nonsense.

In reality all the institutions of science and medicine of the world, and their members support the clear conclusion that vaccines are safe and effective, and that is because clear scientific data proves it so, even more during pregnancies.

A world encompassing conspiracy of professionals selling their families for money (and for which you offer exactly zero evidence) is not an argument, is not even a logical reason.