Years of research laid the groundwork for speedy COVID-19 shots

Congratulations to professors Katalin Kariko and Drew Weissman for their work in developing mRNA technology. So many millions around the world owe their lives and the lives of their loved ones to WHAT THEY did.

Credit belongs to Trump for implementing the plan to completely bypass the standard testing and approvals process and creating an EUA (Emergency Use Authorization).

EUA do not bypass testing and approval procedures, they allow for something to be used AFTER it was tested safe and effective to the same degree of approved things of the same category but before this approval is granted, it can cut the red tape, not the testing.

The EUA has since been withdrawn, meaning that the original 2021 formulation is no longer permitted to administer to humans because they are not FDA approved injections.

Which has no importance since mRNA vaccines have been long given full approval to be used.

So the experts at the FDA who affirm that the 2021 formulations are currently not approved for human use are wrong?

The claim that the original formulations are no longer under EUA has no importance because they already have full approval.

I thought I was supposed to "trust the experts"

Yet what you do is to claim the experts say one thing when you fail to defend another completely different.

Now I'm supposed to ignore the experts and just ignore the testing procedures they put in place because those are just "red tape"

that is still completely mistaken, the same as when you wrote it the first time, the testing were done properly even if you ignored this or tried to misrepresent the situation as if they were skipped, they were not.

Interesting that Robert Malone was completely ignored with the awarding of the prize and in this article. His pioneering work (with 9 patents) in the late 1980's set the foundation for this technology.

His pioneering work (with 9 patents) in the late 1980's set the foundation for this technology.

His limited contributions puts him in the same place as at least a dozen other people that did things of relatively the same importance, in comparison his work is much more limited and derivative from the previous steps in the development.

Trust the experts that came up with the vaccine approval process to ensure that a faulty, unsafe product does not get injected in arms.

Not faulty, not unsafe, that is a baseless claim you are making without any evidence to support it.

Better vaccines are available now, that is the reason, even if you do not want to accept it.

His pioneering work (with 9 patents) in the late 1980's set the foundation for this technology.

His limited contributions puts him in the same place as at least a dozen other people that did things of relatively the same importance,

No, he invented the technology and proved the concept in the 1980s, including producing an immune response using mRNA lipid particles.

The only reason his contributions are ignored by the Nobel Prize committee, the press, and others is that Malone has been a vocal critic of the current vaccines.

You can view a list of his nine relevant patents here:

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/why-is-usg-rewriting-the-history?utm_source=%2Fsearch%2Fnine%2520patents&utm_medium=reader2

No, he invented the technology and proved the concept in the 1980s, including producing an immune response using mRNA lipid particles

No, he derived the technique from well characterized versions using other nucleotides, there was no reason why the same technique would not work with RNA, so he simply demonstrated the technique did what it was predicted to do even without his involvement.

The only reason his contributions are ignored by the Nobel Prize committee, the press, and others is that Malone has been a vocal critic of the current vaccines.

No, the reason is that he did derivative work in the same degree as many other scientist did, pretending everybody deserves a Nobel Prize even with such limited contributions is not valid.

As Robert Malone put it: "Kariko and Weissman get the Nobel, not for inventing mRNA vaccines (because I did that) but for adding the psuedouridine that allowed unlimited spike toxins to be manufactured in what could have been a safe and effective vaccine platform, if safely developed. Good to know."

As Robert Malone put it: "Kariko and Weissman get the Nobel, not for inventing mRNA vaccines (because I did that) but for adding the psuedouridine that allowed unlimited spike toxins to be manufactured in what could have been a safe and effective vaccine platform, if safely developed. Good to know."

Since the vaccines have proved to be safe and effective, the spike protein is not a "toxin" nor is produced in unlimited quantities and the reasons for awarding the Nobel prize are not as simple as just adding something he is demonstrably wrong, something that is nothing new for him.

The price was given for the whole effort of studying how the immunity reacts against viral RNA, discovering ways to manipulate the response to improve the efficacy of vaccines, characterizing and proving those interactions and putting them into practical use.

That is a much bigger contribution that just repeat what was done before using a different nucleotide and patenting the process.

Thuban

Today 07:17 am JST

Credit belongs to Trump for implementing the plan to completely bypass the standard testing and approvals process and creating an EUA (Emergency Use Authorization).

That sounds utterly absurd.

Haven't the FDA been using eua s before for other public health emergencies?

There were a number of new flu and respiratory syndromes before where euas have probably been used for vaccines and treatments.

Euas are used to make available treatments for public health emergencies where no adequate alternatives are available.

By definition it was created to bypass the standard lengthy approval process to address an emergency.

Goes to say also that it doesn't have to be proven fully safe and effective, merely that the assessed potential benefit outweigh the potential risks.

hydroxychloroquine was one such treatment granted an eua but proved ineffective afterwards.

A drug here in Japan designed for new flu was I think nother example, can't remember the name , it proved unsuccessful also

Admiral Perry

Today 01:52 pm JST

It cannot be denied they sped this into circulation too soon.

Well I deny, or don't agree with that statement.

My opinion, the vaccine wasn't sped into circulation soon enough.

Raw Beer Today  11:47 am JST

As Robert Malone put it: "Kariko and Weissman get the Nobel, not for inventing mRNA vaccines (because I did that) but for adding the psuedouridine that allowed unlimited spike toxins to be manufactured 

Malone is likely referring to the recent research from Italy showing spike protein was found persistently circulating in 10 out of 20 vaxxinated subjects involved in the study for a period of over 180+ days (the end point of the study). The 20 C19 positive and 20 negative (40 total) unvaxxinated subjects had no such forever spike proteins. Malone doesn't go into detail about why unlimited spike toxins are created but from what I gather it has to do with the methylpseudouridine substitution designed to evade the immune system resulting in there not being any mechanism to actively degrade the ModRNA, so it's continually executing the instructions to produce the spike proteins. 

I have another entirely independently arrived at theory as to why this is occurring but will leave it for another day because my mom's plane is arriving in a few minutes. 

It will be the first time seeing her in person since coronavirus started. She followed my advice exactly during this whole kerfuffle because she knows that I love her and would never lead her astray. 

"Through love one acquires renunciation and discrimination naturally" - Ramakrishna

Malone is likely referring to the recent research from Italy showing spike protein was found persistently circulating in 10 out of 20 vaxxinated subjects involved in the study

Why "forget" to give a reference for this claim? could it be that again you misrepresent a study that makes a completely different point and adjust it to what you want to say, even if it contradicts the authors?

Malone doesn't go into detail about why unlimited spike toxins are created but from what I gather it has to do with the methylpseudouridine substitution designed to evade the immune system resulting in there not being any mechanism to actively degrade the ModRNA,

This claim is false, there are plenty of mechanisms to degrade RNA, even with modified nucleotides, if that were not the case every single person vaccinated would have detectable levels forever, something that obviously is not the case, making the molecules LESS recognized by one single pathway is not the same to make them eternal as you claim, that is still completely false.

People can make terribly bad advice even with the best intentions, particularly common when personal bias clouds the decision process, and when it becomes impossible to accept the opinion of experts that can demonstrate things different than what the person wants to believe.

As Robert Malone put it: "Kariko and Weissman get the Nobel, not for inventing mRNA vaccines (because I did that) but for adding the psuedouridine that allowed unlimited spike toxins to be manufactured 

Malone is likely referring to the recent research from Italy showing spike protein was found persistently circulating in 10 out of 20 vaxxinated subjects involved in the study for a period of over 180+ days (the end point of the study).

Perhaps, but I do recall from quite a while ago a study of injected healthworkers. Most of them had spike protein circulating in their blood months after injection. Might be the same one your referring to, but I believe it's not so recent.

Another problem is that the product does not remain in the arm as initially advertized, but instead rapidly spreads throughout the body, accumulating in various important organs.