Beware of false groping charges, rip-off clubs, shakedowns over sex

Being accused of a crime one did not commit is everyone's nightmare, male or female.

I was on a jury in the trial of a man accused of molesting a five-year-old boy. What a nightmare. It was awful for the accused, and it was awful for the jurors. The only ones who seemed hardly affected were the child and the mother. Without going into a lot of details, we the jury, four women and eight men, with a woman as fore-person, unanimously found the man not-guilty in just 42 minutes.

After listening to all the evidence, I was disappointed that the woman brought charges, and I was disappointed that the district attorney took the matter to trial. While it was overwhelmingly obvious to those of us on that jury that he was not guilty, and should not have been charged, another jury might have found him guilty. One never knows ahead of time how a jury trial will progress. How many sleepless nights did the man and his family go through, for something that he should not have been charged with?

I don't know about other women here, but of the dozens of times I have been groped, almost all of them were fake. I made it up in my head and then complained about it to everyone who would listen.

You complain about men making it all about them in threads with female victims.

Now we’re in a thread about male victims and you’re making it all about you.

You’re not doing your cause any justice. You come across exactly as the guys you criticize in those threads.

@girl_in_tokyo

Seriously? Get a psychological evaluation and a mental health assessment.

If I was falsely accused I would speak firmly to the accuser saying I did not do anything. If she persists I'll firmly tell her that either she accused the wrong guy or she's a liar. I'll definitely not get off at the next station or go to the police with her. Then I'll continue my journey as normal. There is no way I'll let a false accuser intimidate me or dictate my actions.

All I'm doing is agreeing with the men here, and echoing their past comments.

I know I didn’t post any comments about women likely lying about being groped and I’m pretty sure strangerland didn’t either.

What are you trying to say here? Please post something genuine rather than childish sarcasm. Are you saying no women lie about being groped?

I have to repeat myself. There ought to be "Men Only" train cars where guys can feel safe from female con artists. When a woman accuses a man of groping it is up to him to clear himself rather than the woman to prove her accusation. This is the unfortunate blowback from years of neglect of ignoring men's physical abuse on trains. But the sort of fraud describes in this article must be dealt with.

I don't know about other women here, but of the dozens of times I have been groped, almost all of them were fake. I made it up in my head and then complained about it to everyone who would listen

Me, me, me followed by sarcasm.

This seems to be a pattern.

Well I guess Mr. Papa-Kastsu learned a lesson.

girl in Tokyo, I did not mean to suggest that every allegation of sexual assault is false. Far from it. Two close friends of mine, women, both told me about being raped. One by a gang at night, and one at night as she was walking to her car. I believe both of them. My point in recounting the story of the man accused of child molestation is just that not every charge should be believed.

I'm actually agreeing with you. You finally convinced me you were right when you kept saying that most women who say they have been groped are likely lying and trying to entrap good men.

A) Still making it all about you, making you no better than the men you criticize in those threads.

B) I’ve never made the claim you attributed to me above. If you’re going to make it all about you, at least keep it in the realm of reality

@girl in tokyo,

Your is a kind of an apples and oranges debate. As a foreign woman in Japan, I would absolutely never ever doubt your word that you have been groped by Japanese men on the train. Ive heard some bizaro stories, believe me, but when it comes to Japanese women falsely accusing men of things, because of mental issues, or just being haters because their life sucks, their family, company relationship bondage, and looking for a target, that is also very much part of the society. I think the two need to be exposed, but not conflated.

I hope this helps you men stay safe out there!!

Thank you for your consideration. You are quite a lady. I am sure that someday you will find the right guy and make a man very happy.

girl in Tokyo..... the misandry runs deep I see

As others CORRECTLY point out MORE needs to be down about real victims, also dealing with the scammers & shakedown types

Pretty simple in concept

You complain incessantly about the guys who come in and disrupt threads about female issues, then when there is a thread about male issues, you come in and disrupt it.

You make yourself no better than those you would criticize, and therefore mute your own voice in the future. How can your complaints be taken seriously, when you don't even respect them yourself?

It's better to be always very careful while being on the train. Stand at a location, where no one would be able to accuse you of anything.

It's sad that rather than fostering more mutual understanding between the sexes, the necessary highlighting of issues such as sexual harassment, groping, false groping accusations, etc. seem to be causing more angst between us. A lot of this is media and social media driven by those who seek to divide us into competing identity groups and promote victimhood.

Society needs an infusion of more love and understanding. Each one of us can make a difference if we choose to buck the trend and show love and respect to all regardless of 'identity'.

Never seen it or heard about in Canada

It happens on busses in Canada.

commanteerMar. 24 09:29 pm JST

Thank you for your consideration. You are quite a lady. I am sure that someday you will find the right guy and make a man very happy.

Thanks, he is. :)

Because your responses are muddying and confusing a very serious issue. Like I said before you are compounding the issues that your are campaigning against.

She's also discredit anything she ever complains about in any thread. If she complains, we can simply laugh at her and point out that she is guilty of it too.

It's very clear she has no interest in improving society by having discussion on issues and clearing them up, she is only concerned with the dopamine rush she gets from arguing on the internet.

And no one is going to take seriously anyone that is arguing not from a sense of what is right and wrong, but rather from what is more interesting to argue about on the internet. At least no one with an ounce of logic.

And if the club people turn violent? They won’t, says Matsumoto. Violence is crime, which drags their operation into new, untenable, unprofitable territory. They don’t want to go there.

Is that so? Crime can only be labeled as crime if there is proof of such action. Sad truth.

Can the client prove the club staff was responsible for a beating? Would he have some witness? I don't suppose so. The club, on the other hand, would have a paper with the (inflated) price there. And could probably prove the client didn't pay it.

And as much as they wouldn't profit much from a beating if there was not enough money in the wallet, that could work like a warning. Like, 'we checked your wallet, so now we have your address and we can find you anytime we want, so pay it so we don't have to resort to violence again and again'. Pretty scary and shameful if the client is married, have children or live with other loved ones.

Also, how would the client explain the beating to his family? Or his boss? Would he risk maybe losing his job? I think that's what the client would fear the most, not the menacing club staff per se.

Papa-katsu?? That's a thing? Who knew! Yikes! Scary story.

On a whole other note, I wonder about true cases resulting in mistaken identity. Surely, some gropers know how to do their "thing" while make it look like it was someone else in the vicinity. The whole app thing just doesn't seem to be enough, and I don't think the cameras in train cars is going to cut it either given how crowded some of those cars get. I would like to see more sensitive ads that appeal to the heart-strings of those would-be perpetrators.

It would very good to make two or three train cars for 'WOMEN ONLY' on each train. That will, for sure, reduce the groping cases.

Never heard of groping on the trains until I came to Japan. Never seen it or heard about in Canada. Could be that Canadian women wouldn't put up with it. You'd get a good kick in the groin or punch in the face. Or maybe Canadian dudes don't do it. Not sure why it's so rampant in Japan.

StrangerlandToday 10:03 am JST

You complain incessantly about the guys who come in and disrupt threads about female issues, then when there is a thread about male issues, you come in and disrupt it.

I don't understand what you mean. I learned a lot from all the posts you and others have written, and have finally come around and now totally agree with you. All my posts here are in support of men.

You make yourself no better than those you would criticize, and therefore mute your own voice in the future. How can your complaints be taken seriously, when you don't even respect them yourself

I am "no better than" those I criticized? Are you saying that the people I criticized in the past were just as wrong as I was/am? That's an odd thing to say.

I don't understand what you mean. I learned a lot from all the posts you and others have written, and have finally come around and now totally agree with you. All my posts here are in support of men.

Yes yes, we understand you wish to disrupt this thread, even though you criticize others for disrupting threads on women’s issues. We also understand this makes you no better than those you criticize.

I am "no better than" those I criticized? Are you saying that the people I criticized in the past were just as wrong as I was/am? That's an odd thing to say.

Yeah I am. Just like when I’ve criticized those people in the threads that were important to women’s issues.

See unlike you, I’m consistent on these matters and don’t throw away my morality when the shoe is on the other foot. When I criticize someone for an action, I make sure not to do that action myself.

And if the club people turn violent? They won’t, says Matsumoto. 

This goes in the department of "advice preceding Famous Last Words."

@girl_in_tokyo Your intentions are true here but I believe you have made quite a grammatical errors in your first coment which made it come out in negative tone. And some men here also are acting in a stupid way. Rest I really appreciate your advice.

JimizoToday 10:45 am JST

I know I didn’t post any comments about women likely lying about being groped and I’m pretty sure strangerland didn’t either.

I don't know what you have posted. I haven't really been following you. But I often read what Strangerland posts, and I'm totally agreeing with him.

What are you trying to say here? Please post something genuine rather than childish sarcasm. Are you saying no women lie about being groped?

I am agreeing with the article. I am very glad to finally see an article that warns men about all the women out there who will pretend they've been groped in order to get money from men. There is way too much focus on women who have been groped and not enough attention paid to the many, many false accusations. Like the other poster said, "not every charge should be believed."

I also think there should be "Men Only" cars to protect men from false accusations. That way men can ride to work in peace every day without the constant fear that the woman next to him will suddenly accuse him of groping her.

Men should be able to ride the train without worrying all the time. The constant stress that a woman may accuse you of groping her must be terrible. Maintaining constant vigilance, always looking over your shoulder, making sure that when a woman bumps into you they won't suddenly accuse you of groping them - all of that must be just incredibly exhausting and demoralizing.

No doubt the accusations of groping by lying women that you guys have to endure every single week, maybe even on a daily basis, wears you down quite a lot. I have all the sympathy in the world.

some of the women probably have a history of mental illness.

GWMar. 25  01:55 pm JST

girl in Tokyo..... the misandry runs deep I see

As others CORRECTLY point out MORE needs to be down about real victims, also dealing with the scammers & shakedown types

Pretty simple in concept

Oh, I couldn’t agree more!! That figure I mentioned of 10 or more false accusations per year is utterly and completely unacceptable. Like I said, we definitely need a “Men’s Only” train carriage to fight the problem.

Similarly men being ripped off by women working in the sex industry must be addressed. Men should be able to comfortably go to hostess bars, hire sex workers, and go to girl bars for ero-talk without having to worry they might be ripped off by the unethical criminals, often yakuza, who run such establishments.

Its not as if a person would have any idea that such businesses might not be honest with their customers. There’s no way innocent men can avoid the sex shops that practice such illegal manoeuvres.

jeancolmar Mar. 23 02:20 pm JST

I have to repeat myself. There ought to be "Men Only" train cars where guys can feel safe from female con artists. When a woman accuses a man of groping it is up to him to clear himself rather than the woman to prove her accusation. This is the unfortunate blowback from years of neglect of ignoring men's physical abuse on trains. But the sort of fraud describes in this article must be dealt with.

Yes! Exactly!

According to the white paper on crime, 10 reports of false accusations were handed over to the police last year. Considering how low the reporting rate is, that means the real number of false accusations must be much, much higher - at least in the teens! Maybe even twenty!!

Men-only cars would protect men from being falsely accused of groping women. But until that is achieved, here are some things men can do to avoid being accused:

Men should only ride the train with a buddy. That way, they can watch out for each other and one can serve as a witness when the other is inevitably accused.

Men should only ride the train in off-peak hours. The fewer women there are, the less likely it is that you will be falsely accused.

Men should not wear a business suit - a professional appearance makes women think you have money, so they are more likely to falsely accuse you in the expectation of a big payoff. As inconvenient as it is, men should change into their suits at the office.

When a man gets on the train, he should look around carefully before choosing where to stand. Don't stand next to a group of women, especially if they seem drunk - women are more likely to accuse men of groping if they have had a few drinks. They will also later claim they "don't remember" falsely accusing anyone.

Stay vigilant. Make eye contact with each woman nearby and hold your head up to show you are confident. Women are less likely to falsely accuse you if you look like you will fight back.

When you feel someone bump into you, immediately check - is it a woman trying to falsely accuse you, or is it just another man swaying with the movement of the train? I don't want to make you paranoid, but whenever you feel someone brush against you in the train, you should be careful - that little brush might be woman gauging your reaction, pushing your boundary, to see if you will be easy to falsely accuse. That little brush will turn into a full-on accusation if you aren't vigilant enough to move to another part of the train as fast as you can.

If a woman gets on the train and stands right behind you you should be hyper aware of her every move - she may be looking for a victim.

I hope this helps you men stay safe out there!!

StrangerlandToday 12:56 am JST

I'm actually agreeing with you. You finally convinced me you were right when you kept saying that most women who say they have been groped are likely lying and trying to entrap good men.

A) Still making it all about you, making you no better than the men you criticize in those threads.

B) I’ve never made the claim you attributed to me above. If you’re going to make it all about you, at least keep it in the realm of reality

All I'm doing is agreeing with the men here, and echoing their past comments. I'm not sure why you are so offended by that.

JimizoToday 12:19 pm JST

Me, me, me followed by sarcasm.

This seems to be a pattern.

To the contrary. Reading all the comments here have changed my mind and made me empathetic to what men go through, which is, as I have been told many times, so much worse than what any woman ever goes though. So now I want to throw my support to the men who have been unjustly accused of groping women, and join with you in condemning women for lying so much.

I mean, isn't that why you guys make these posts all the time? To convince those reading of your side of things, and make them understand just how bad men really have it, and how treacherous and villainous women are? Now that you have convinced a woman of the merit of your arguemnts, I'm confused why you resist her support.

StrangerlandToday 08:52 am JST

You complain about men making it all about them in threads with female victims.

Now we’re in a thread about male victims and you’re making it all about you.

You’re not doing your cause any justice. You come across exactly as the guys you criticize in those threads.

But Strangerland, I'm actually agreeing with you. You finally convinced me you were right when you kept saying that most women who say they have been groped are likely lying and trying to entrap good men. It's important that men know that, so that when women complain of being groped, men can keep their skepticism high instead of actually believing them.

You also need to keep giving women advice about how not to be groped, such as not riding trains, at all, ever - that way, men can relax and go to work in peace without ever worrying that some woman will suddenly pretend a man groped her just to cause him trouble.

My point in recounting the story of the man accused of child molestation is just that not every charge should be believed.

I agree. Women should not be beleived - it is way too easy for them to lie, and they do it just for fun, since it's such joy to cause men we don't even know to go to jail for no reason at all.

The courts need to go easier on men who are accused, since it's very likely they are totally innocent and did nothing wrong except making the mistake of flirting with or talking to or looking at the wrong female, who took offense and decided to ruin his life.

@girl in tokyo: You are very logical and make sense to me.

I don't know about other women here, but of the dozens of times I have been groped, almost all of them were fake. I made it up in my head and then complained about it to everyone who would listen.

There is no way Japanese men, or any other men, ever actually touch women on the train. All those women reporting, all 4,000+ of them, are all lying.

Well, maybe a few aren't, but most of them are. Your very first reaction to such a claim needs to be "liar".

Once a woman accuses a man of a sex crime, his life is over. It's almost impossible to prove innocence and everybody will believe the girl.

Play the victim card much?