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Schoolgirl says education pointless; gets schooled in debate on Twitter

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By Casey Baseel, RocketNews24

Japan, in general, holds education to be extremely important, and so on average Japanese teens tend to be much more studious than their counterparts in many other nations. Still, it’s not like every kid in Japan is eager to hit the books when he or she could be hanging out with friends, eating crepes, watching anime, or playing video games.

For example, Japanese Twitter user and high school student @ab6f9cbcda5b402 recently fired off this cranky message about the typical high school subjects to her followers.

1つでも共感したら【RT】? 国語☞もう日本語わかる? 数学☞将来役立たない? 理科☞理系の仕事目指してない? 社会☞過去を振り返っても意味ない? 音楽☞興味ない? 技術☞大工さんになるつもりはない? 美術☞絵ぐらいなら誰でもかける? 英語☞ここ日本?

— ANNA (@ab6f9cbcda5b402) April 02, 2016 Retweet if you agree with even one of these.

Japanese class☞I already know Japanese. Math☞It’s not going to help me in the future. Science☞I’m not trying to get a science job. Social studies☞There’s no point in looking back at the past. Music☞Not interested. Technical skill courses☞I don’t plan on becoming a carpenter. Art☞Anybody can draw pictures. English☞This is Japan.

Unfortunately for @ab6f9cbcda5b402, her call to arms to throw mud on the existing educational system went largely unanswered, garnering less than 300 retweets, meaning that the majority of even her 750-odd followers don’t share her sentiment. On the other hand, this rebuttal from Twitter user @geshtamjump struck a much deeper chord with the Japanese Internet.

Japanese → If you can’t use it properly, you’ll embarrass yourself. Math → There are tons of jobs it’s useful in. Science → If you don’t learn it, you’ll get tricked by pseudo-science scams. Social studies → If you don’t know how society is built, you’ll always end up with the short end of the stick. Music → Okay, so you’re not interested in it. Technical skills → If you can’t operate a computer, you’ve got no future. Art → I can’t draw pictures. English → This is Earth.

@geshtamjump’s take on things racked up over 10,000 retweets, with commenters chiming in with their agreement as well as expressing their exasperation at what they say as @ab6f9cbcda5b402’s narrow-mindedness.

“So just what the heck does [she] want to study?” “[After looking through some of @ab6f9cbcda5b402’s other grammatically spotty tweets] Haha she actually can’t write in Japanese.” “Music → If you don’t understand it, you’ll be considered uncultured.” “If you’re the kind of person who says you won’t need anything you learn in school except language courses, have fun working full-time for 150,000 yen (US$1,340) a month.” “She’ll make the perfect new employee who’s completely worthless to her company and coworkers.” “’This is Earth.’ Awesome.”

In @ab6f9cbcda5b402’s defense, she just started high school a week ago, according to one of her previous tweets, and with the excitement of a new school and new friends now transitioning to the less exciting routine of homework and test preparation, she’s probably not the only teen who’s feeling a bit resentful of her educational responsibilities.

Perhaps in deference to her perspective, one commenter offered this still-exasperated yet slightly gentler counter-argument.

“Every single one of those is something you should know about. You’ll understand when you grow up.”

“No way!!-!!!! For reals? LOLLOL,” replied @ab6f9cbcda5b402. So hopefully she’ll find at least one academic pursuit that interests her before she graduates from high school.

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Science → If you don’t learn it, you’ll get tricked by pseudo-science scams.

So true! That's why so many people have fallen for the whole "Global Warming" scam and others that have come along and offered you a solution if you just buy their product.

Social studies → If you don’t know how society is built, you’ll always end up with the short end of the stick.

Again a great point! Look at all of the promise you the world politicians out there who will give you everything just as long as you turn over your rights to them "for the good of the people"

The kid is young, and I hope she wises up. I could see her point though, if she tweeted about the current Japanese system of only prepping you for an exam.

-15 ( +12 / -27 )

You’ll understand when you grow up.”

Odds are she will probably never truly "grow up". She lacks the basic foundation in her life to understand that as well.

And it's young people like her that will be getting to vote in the upcoming election later this year. Rather scary to consider.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

Japan, in general, holds education to be extremely important

That seems to be a pretty contentious statement right there. It regards passing of tests as important but can we classify that as education, especially as most of the remembered facts are soon forgotten? There is very little analysis that is not the government-approved one, nor much debate either about the content or why it should be learned. So, in this case, I think the high school student actually has a point, even if it is probably for the wrong reasons.

17 ( +18 / -1 )

or maybe she just discovered her new talents... those ones that pay you 10.000 an hour?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

For the majority, with recent trends in Japan, a primary school education is about all that they need..................

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Well education via sitting there in class is probably one of the worst ways to disseminate info and how to learn. In that regard I agree with her

9 ( +9 / -0 )

The global warming scam.....thick with irony this guy.

15 ( +21 / -6 )

I felt the same way at her age. I couldn't understand the relevance of what I was studying to my life, and I didn't see the adults around me using the things I was studying in their life. Young kids (as a high school grade 1 student, I think she's 14 or 15), don't have the life experience nor the mental development to see the big picture, or predict how things will be farther into their future, so studying things like a war 300 years ago, or how molecules combined, can seem entirely pointless.

What I realized as I got older is that it's not so much what is studied that is important, but rather learning how to learn, and getting a sampling of various subjects, so as to give a wide base from which kids can start when they get out of school. I'd say about 1/2 of what I studied in high school has never had relevance to my life whatsoever, and another 1/4 has only had minimal relevance to my life. But learning how to study, and studying the things that did end up having relevance (and I had no idea they would at the time) turned out to be particularly beneficial.

This girl doesn't really deserve derision, rather she needs someone to explain to her how school will be beneficial in the long run. Though being 15ish years old, it's doubtful she'd listen anyways - they already know everything at that age!

15 ( +17 / -2 )

Bad teachers teach the "how", good teachers teach the "why", great teachers teach you to ask "why ?" by planting a seed of curiosity and desire in you to teach yourself.

Sadly Japan is full of teachers in the first category.

11 ( +12 / -1 )

@ Strangerland - You know how much I hate to agree with you on anything, but that comment was on the money

3 ( +4 / -1 )

I think that she just wants to say something complain about education or school. But she must recognize that school life was very important and essential in the future, especially after guraduation. I hope she could have some interests in school near future.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Anyone who has,or had, a teenage daughter will understand this perfectly!

3 ( +4 / -1 )

@ Strangerland - You know how much I hate to agree with you on anything, but that comment was on the money

Even a broken clock is right twice a day ;)

3 ( +3 / -0 )

'This is Earth' had me reeling. Lovely.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

Japanese Twitter user and high school student @ab6f9cbcda5b402

high school student

good for her, discovering a wider world and still a high school student.

lighten up.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Poor girl. She does not realize what she is getting into.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

????Join a high school club ????????You will hopefully meet people like yourself, learn something and be happier.????????????

????People without emoji fonts will have difficulty in life(s) now????

????????This is not my fault, emoji fonts have been out 10+ years???????? ????????Get one, and be happier ????

0 ( +0 / -0 )

She is an idiot, but she will graduate, and go on to graduate from a university. I'm beginning to wax nostalgic for the master/apprentice system, if only because the master can tell someone like this to take a hike.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Love the reply by geshtamjump to the girl.

And I find it ironic that, as high school is not compulsory in Japan, this girl could have saved herself the hassle of entrance exams and her parents' money and quit after junior school. It would be interesting to see if she would have preferred working at whatever job she could have found.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

JHS is all ANYBODY really needs. Let the company school those willing to learn. Let their parents pay for everybody else.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Maybe she is attractive and she's looking forward to marry a man who went to school..

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Yubaru, ouch!

“So just what the heck does [she] want to study?”

Introduction to Gold-Digging

Intermediate Parent-Sponging

Advanced-Placement Cosmetics Application*

*Requirements: 1. completion of Intro to Makeup and Intermediate Cosmetics; 2. valid subway pass

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Education says schoolgirls are pointless. "They just sit there"

3 ( +3 / -0 )

I do think that there are a lot of useless subjects that we had to learn in school. But there is a lot there that you will need for the future. But one of the things I wish was taught in school was personal finance. In the US, a lot of people just accept that they're going to have to go into debt, but I really wish people were taught more about how to manage their money, and how to decide on whether or not to take out loans and how much to take out. From my generation, there are so many people who are going to be in debt for the next 20-30 years of their life, and they really didn't think about how that would affect them when they were 18 and started taking out loans.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

"She does not realize what she is getting into"

Yes she does. She is just letting everyone on the Internet know that she is ready to be seduced into the JK business.

Welcome to Japan!!

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Haha I remember when I DREAMED of being 16 because that's when I could QUIT SCHOOL!!!

But I was a bit younger than this girl, around 9-10-ish I think, little do I know it wouldn't finish until after Uni, the horror!!!

But I definitely might have quit if I had gone to school in Japan, that's when the soul crushing begins....

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Corporate Japan treats women like crap. Not too many women in supervisory / management level positions in the workforce compared to that of other females in modern societies.

No wonder the low self esteem Japanese girls (who will later become women) have today.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Japanese class☞I already know Japanese. Math☞It’s not going to help me in the future. Science☞I’m not trying to get a science job. Social studies☞There’s no point in looking back at the past. Music☞Not interested. Technical skill courses☞I don’t plan on becoming a carpenter. Art☞Anybody can draw pictures. English☞This is Japan.

The perfect profile for joining an extremist right wing organization.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

More subjects at high school in Japan should be made optional so that students can choose what they want to study depending on their interests/ goals.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Anyone who has,or had, a teenage daughter will understand this perfectly!

I disagree, at least I give her credit for stating SOMETHING, too many men her age would just be sleeping with their heads on their desks.

This is not a phenomenon for "daughters" only here, there are plenty of "sons" that have the same attitude but dont have the cojones to say anything.

Oh and while you were attempting to be sarcastic I am sure, it is an unfair over-generalization to suggest what you have here. I know differently, having an adult married daughter, who busted her arse off in HS and college as well.

This girl is an exception and not the rule! Her so-called teachers are a huge part of the problem, as too many Japanese teachers praise kids who sit there in silence, act like robots, and memorize everything they are told to memorize, they dont teach their students, they preach at them.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

At least she's questioning it, instead of just accepting it if she feels it's useless. Good for her.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Her so-called teachers are a huge part of the problem, as too many Japanese teachers praise kids who sit there in silence, act like robots, and memorize everything they are told to memorize

Good point. Japanese students will be scrutinized by their peers and teachers for participating in the learning process by speaking up. "The nail that sticks out will be hammered."

I once saw Japanese High Schooler's participate in a debate. It was so shallow, no content. Nothing passionate and heated like that of their western counterparts. Japan's education system and teachers are not letting the students speak out. Its frowned upon.

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Japanese class☞I already know Japanese.

And why is it you think you "already know" Japanese?

Math☞It’s not going to help me in the future.

Please come visit my business when your smart phone's calculator breaks and I offer to let you pay me 25% more for what I am selling you.

Science☞I’m not trying to get a science job.

Along with math, I hope to god you never try mixing any common household kitchen products.

Social studies☞There’s no point in looking back at the past.

Right, all you care about is J-Pop, while I'll be robbing you of all your income through taxes because you never learned what "government" is all about.

Music☞Not interested.

Really? What are you listening to on your smart phone? Suck are karaoke too I'll bet!

Technical skill courses☞I don’t plan on becoming a carpenter.

How many folks like you does it take to change a light bulb? Or are you more interested in your newest nail art, which btw is a technical skill.

Art☞Anybody can draw pictures.

Said by someone who probably can't draw a lick and has no appreciation for anything, other than what they see on their sma-phone. Sometimes You-tube is art too!

English☞This is Japan.

The ONLY thing I agree with you on. Let English be an elective course, not everyone needs it here, and leave it to those who want to learn it! Go get them girl! Yooo hooo!

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The global warming scam.....thick with irony this guy.

@ texpudlian: I once had to explain to a true believer that kept insisting that the rise of CO2 was a very bad thing for the trees since they needed oxygen to continue to grow. After I stopped laughing, I had to explain some basic earth science to this person (ironically a female). Plants use photosynthesis to live. Where they take in sunlight, water, and CO2, and as a by product give off O2 (oxygen that we breath) and water vapor. This so called "enlightened" person didn't realize that the CO2 that we humans (all animals for that matter) exhale gets into the atmosphere and the cycle continues, but that person didn't let science stand in the way of their beliefs.

Not saying that we can't be better stewards of the earth, learned a lot about recycling in school too, but if as I am assuming you are a non-religious believer that you prefer evolution (I don't have a problem with that, I believe in that also), then you would have learned that over the eons, the earth has changed from having a very inhospitable environment to one that sustains life now. All done not by anything man has done, since on the scale of things, we have only been here a few million years compared to the billion that the earth has been around.

But, as this young lady will likely to be one of the countless "kwaii" girls in the future who will base her decisions of feelings and not logic, since she probably will have missed what was being taught in school, she will just be one of the many followers you see in Japan and other places.

At least she's questioning it, instead of just accepting it if she feels it's useless. Good for her.

I can agree somewhat with that, but like it or not, she will have to go to school and she may as well get used to doing something that she may not like. After all, that is part of life and being an adult.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Attention Feminists: This High school GIRLS writings seem to be pretty indicative of a lot of girls. THIS is what you need to fix, NOT quotas/"Paycheck fairness"/complaining about no girls in STEM. I would be willing to bet a large amount of money the response was made by a male friend.

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It's not the subjects that's the problem, it's the method she is being taught--the teaching method is not encouraging her to think or LEARN by herself, to get interested in the world, to know the WHY of things how they can benefit her/influence her life.

Good teaching sparks lifelong curiosity and the quest for real wisdom.

It's too bad her education is so lifeless she is feeling it's meaningless.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

I got kicked out of math class aged 15 for genuinely asking the teacher how algebra is applied in real life. Clearly she didnt know the answer either...

6 ( +6 / -0 )

@Wc626

I once saw Japanese High Schooler's participate in a debate. It was so shallow, no content. Nothing passionate and heated like that of their western counterparts. Japan's education system and teachers are not letting the students speak out. Its frowned upon.

I did my 4th year of uni here. The professor had studied in the States, so he tried a different approach to his classes to 'spice them up a bit'. Problem was - the students weren't interested. He'd throw a topic up & then attempt to pass around the mic to get input from students. I'd say at least half the class was sleeping. The look of dismay on his face was something I'll never forget.

This is the result of Japan's soul-crushing high school education system. I've also studied (very briefly) under it & needless to say if I were to have kids, I'd never put them through that. Never in a million years.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

There are a lucky few, but they are indeed VERY few, who can get by without much education and still land dream jobs and be successful in what they love; but anyone banking on that kind of thing happening is likely to end up very sorry in even the short term. This poor girl is one of them, in all likelihood.

That said, a typical education does not work for everyone, and EVERYONE has some subjects they do not excel in, even if they are good students overall. That's just they way it is. But to condemn the system as a whole without any reasons or any skills to fall back on is to invite a bleak future. She strikes me as being the typical example of a modern day, spoiled child.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

I got kicked out of math class aged 15 for genuinely asking the teacher how algebra is applied in real life. Clearly she didnt know the answer either...

She knew the answer: You can kick people out of your algebra class.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Sounds like she planned her life accordingly.

Math >>> right after HS she will be working in a convi store where products are scanned and change are automated. Science>>she will never know that h20 is a water Social Studies>>she'll get socialized, we'll probably see her drunk with loud friends and skimpy skirts. 4 .Music>>whatever is on the radio will do Technical course>>let say DIY is not for her Art>>she's only interested in the colors she puts on her face English>> She's never going to travel outside JP, it's safer here anyway. See can always watch a movie or buy a magazine.
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Sorry to say, but the importance of education is overrated. A primary education is the most important, a secondary education is less so.

One of my old professors had an interesting saying, it went "you can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think." He said that "the more many people seem to know, they less they are able to understand."

When I got my first job, I worked for a very rich man. This man graduated last in his high school, and never went to university. I asked him, "why didn't you go to college"? He answered "they wouldn't take me". He added "and I don't need a degree, I can always hire someone who has one". In a large company with many employees, some of the ivy-league educated, none had come so far, or had been more successful than the owner of the company, who began it with $2000 of borrowed money, which it took him nearly a decade to pay back.

If we are talking about Japanese education, few systems are better designed to quash success and insure mediocrity. That's why my kids will never go to Japanese schools.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

So many here criticizing the girl. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I felt the same as this girl when I was in high school. Now I own two businesses, employ multiple people (I'm a job maker - a republican's wet dream), and our services help thousands of people.

She's a high school student, questioning the world. What she needs is someone to give her a good answer. Criticizing her for stating an opinion is counter productive, particularly when she's too young to have the life experiences to understand how school is beneficial.

1 ( +7 / -6 )

It's like a smart phone, it's only as smart as the person using it. Education is wasted on the stupid! This is just one stupid and naive girl who will be married before she is twenty and spend the rest of her life making bento boxes. Obviously, she does need need an education for that. I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

She's had incredibly bad teachers and just as bad parents, that completely failed to motivate her. She's sensing how her own personality is slowly getting wasted in a futile effort to shoehorn her to the society's mostly useless standards.

A child is never at fault for the adults' stupidity.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Like Kiyohara, Becky, etc. another nothing story. A schoolkid said something on Twitter, some more people said something back. Putting fluff stories like this in the news diverts attention away from Amari, from Abe, from Tohoku, from the nuke plants, from pensions, from the environment, and a million and one more important things people should care about.

The value of education is worthy of debate, but none of her Twitter soundbites are particularly helpful starting points for one of them. Many can be refuted in seconds. Social sciences are not simply studying the past (half truth/straw man), for example.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Unless you get a good eduction, you will end up doing menial jobs on poor pay, long hours for the rest of your life.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." (MarkTwain)

At least the girl was thinking, and it seems she was asking questions. E.g. What's the point of Math?

I don't remember the supposed 'usefulness' of subjects ever motivating me to learn. In the subjects I was good at, it was the simple enjoyment of learning that provided the motivation. Using Strangerland's example of combining molecules, I was fascinated, especially when we conducted the experiments to check it out. On the other hand, I detested history and English. Years after leaving school I started devouring history books and at one point wrote a business writing textbook. (I still think about molecules.)

We don't really know much about this girl, but it would be interesting to know what does motivate her. Perhaps she'd be better off in a vocational college. The academic nature of high school can be demotivating for many people.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

So she has made a controversial statement and backed it up with specific reasons as to why she holds that opinion. I'd say most people her age going through the state education system in Japan would not be able to do this.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

The academic nature of high school can be demotivating for many people.

It certainly was for me. I hated it.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

I know the type. She's the kind of student I would rather lead to the nearest pachinko parlour, and say "meet your destiny!"

2 ( +4 / -2 )

Newsflash! Teenager complains about school!

3 ( +5 / -2 )

I think I would have more sympathy for this girl if she had mentioned, for instance, that she really wanted to go to a vocational school in order to go into some specific kind of work, but her parents had insisted she go to an academic high school. I am curious as to what she has in mind for her life (not that I think she has to decide on a fixed plan at such a young age).

I do sometimes mention to my own own university students that I realize some of them are not interested in the subject and are only there because it's a required class. But that my advice would be to take advantage whenever given the opportunity to learn something even if they think it is boring or will be useless. The main reason being that one never really knows what life will bring or what will turn out to be useful.

If, when I was in high school, someone would have told me where I'd be living or what work I'd be doing and what skills and knowledge I'd be using at my present age, I probably would have thought they were hallucinating!

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Basic education is fine, you never learn any thing useful until you leave school. I see kids learning math that I never even needed to use in engineering so why waste time on pointless education. I am more incline to believe state education is more a method of conditioning compliance than making smart adults.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Unless you get a good eduction, you will end up doing menial jobs on poor pay, long hours for the rest of your life.

Are you speaking from experience? Seriously, take a look at Japan Inc, millions of supposedly "highly educated" men and women working in menial office jobs, poor pay, and long hours, that put many into the grave?

You just reinforced this girls argument. By the way, it's spelled education.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

and she will join the growing under-class in Japan while are so disheartened by everything that they do nothing except breed.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Who is paying for the crepes (and other goodies)?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

"This is the result of Japan's soul-crushing high school education system." - comments

The media is the message crowd will say the Twitter is just that, not a statement of any content.

While the school system in Japan is likely as good or better than many, a single Tweet does not an argument make, or hypothesis or premise.

It is the anguished cry of too much work and too little practicle demonstration of the value of the skills supporting knowledge. Those are life long skills.

At fifteen it is very hard to imagine what that even means. That's why there are High Schools and angry Tweets.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

She needs some kind of gap year. Take time off, live a little and figure out what you want to do. Of, but this is Japan.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

High school is worth the trouble simply for the math.

But that is just an opinion.

At the risk of blaming the victim, this girl is a loser. A client of the state. A parasite. She will have to spend her life wondering how people around her can do so much, be so happy, know so much, have ambitions, and not wake up every single morning feeling beaten down by THE MAN. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

And is she a victim? I wonder. There seem to be plenty of people around her to tell her what she is missing. They are giving her advice. Unfortunately, math teachers are the least qualified people to talk for hours about how useful math is. And history drones are too caught up in dates and names to make people see the value of knowing where our society came from... and maybe where it is going. But I suspect she won't be listening to any advice. She has it all figured out. She is a meat toy and she likes it that way. She wants to go through life as an unmotivated shell bereft of judgment, will, or even circumspection.

She will have to compete with robots for jobs her entire life. And she will lose.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Personal example: In 11th grade I took Geometry/Trig only because it was the next in sequence after Algebra I. I figured I'd learn what they taught and never use it again. Fast forward 20+ years and I'm working towards a private pilot's license. As part of preflight planning you have to calculate the crosswind component of the wind to make sure it doesn't exceed the rating for your aircraft. The tool to do this is essentially a protractor with arcs corresponding to the wind speed extending out. You mark the angle off the runway heading at the current wind speed, then drop straight down to get the crosswind component of the wind minus any headwind or tailwind component. It occurred to me that this was basic polar to rectangular conversion and you could do it with Trig. I actually remembered the Trig relationships using the mnemonic "Sally can tell Oscar has a heap of apples" and added a crosswind component calculator to my Excel preflight spreadsheet. The spreadsheet started as just a weight and balance spreadsheet, then grew. It took 20+ years, but I actually NEEDED Trig!

It's certainly possible that, by the time she's 20 or so, she'll be earning more in a month than many of us can ever dream of.

But she doesn't like music. She'll never become a successful idol! Oh, you meant that OTHER profession... Yeah, I guess I have to agree with you.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Sounds to me like a typical teenager going through the inevitable I don wanna do my homework stage. Except she made the mistake of tweeting her problems instead of stomping off to her room and sulking for the evening.

Leave her be a while, she'll grow out of it.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

I know you are all going to hate this, and I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but....

@ kcjapan The MEDIUM is the message.

I only raise this point because we are here criticizing a student's opinion; can we at least be accurate when we do so?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

@Fadamor

Sally can tell Oscar has a heap of apples

I just worked it out. Cool. I'd never heard that one before. But I still remember 'sohcahtoa', and put it to use occasionally.

@5SpeedRacer5

this girl is a loser. A client of the state. A parasite.

Or perhaps a brilliant barber or grower of chrysanthemums.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

I felt the same as this girl when I was in high school.

Normal, it's the age when you become adult... or never. Maybe the only thing I remember from the brainwashing years was this : "Education has reached its goal when the student starts questionning it and doubting that the educators are relevent...". I don't remember who said it. Still true.

English She's never going to travel outside JP,

Or she's aware that eigo is only used in Japan and she'll need English to talk to the rest of the world .

Social sciences are not simply studying the past

Yep, it's also intaking a huge amount of propaganda "made in present". Have you read some of the New History textbooks ? Good fiction.

this girl is a loser. A client of the state. A parasite.

Sounds like a prime minister.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Idiot. Hey, she may go far in politics.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

“Don’t let your boy’s schooling interfere with his education.” -- Mark Twain

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Actually, in some categories, I think she might have made a good point. Ive meet many adult Japanese who have the English comprehension and communication level of a 3 year old from English speaking countries, literally. Its so annoying Id rather not even bother talking to them. If this is to become the de facto level for English communication in Japan, then why bother with the investment.

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The media is the message vs. The medium is the message

spinningplates "I know you are all going to hate this, and I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but....@ kcjapan The MEDIUM is the message. I only raise this point because we are here criticizing a student's opinion; can we at least be accurate when we do so?"

In the case of 'Tweets': Media is the plural of medium. Excellent point except there was no criticism.

'a single Tweet does not an argument make, or hypothesis or premise' is fair comment on the "channel", 'tweeting', or the media/medium's capacity for coherent exchange.

The media/medium comment is as interesting, (more so than 'tweeting' is a shallow exchange), and richer in potential.

It has been observed: 'a good 140 character tweet on Twitter is truly an art.' That may not apply here however.

Good comment.

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Anybody here notice they focus a lot on jobs? It seems like getting a good job, bad job, getting employed, or getting unemployed is the only future they talk about. I think a real concern going unnoticed is how they're not as business-savvy as their counterparts are in other nations.

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Hey kcjapan. Thanks for the reply, I get what you're saying and apologize about making the comment regarding criticism. However I believe the medium of a tweet is in essence print.

I don't know why someone thumbed you down, I enjoyed your posts; Now I have to go and read Mcluhan again.

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Hate to say it but if students feel this way then it speaks volumes of the crappy teachers one must suffer through their education. Their idea of teaching is "Blah, blah, blah, blah. Any questions? Blah, blah, blah."

When teachers can't show how what they are teaching connects to real life then their teaching is crap and/or what they teach will have ZERO impact with real life. I know for a fact three things I learned in school had any bearing what so ever in real life: computer classes, how to fill out a job application - write a resume, and how to shut up and play the game.

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"I believe the medium of a tweet is in essence print." - comments

grrr!

foiled again!

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Japanese→You seem like you need to study Japanese harder. Math→The way you use your brain when you solve math problems is quite useful in the future. Science→ Science is important because it suggests how we understand the environment around us, and it gives you some foods for thoughts.

social study → there are tons of things you can learn from the past, just like you learn something from your own past. Music→ Try to understand why people wrote a song. what they thought when they were making a song? what do they try to tell you?

Arts→ Study arts and try to express yourself through arts. it would be more interesting than just drawing pictures. English→ You kept saying other subjects are " not useful in the future." But, here, English is something that would be really useful in your future.

The problem is that she just focuses on what she studies. She should think about how she studies and how she can make what she studies useful to her life. It seems to me that she just tries to find reasons not to study because she doesn't feel like it.

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A lot of vitriol for the girl.

Like most kids her age, and heck adults too (including some of us on this very forum), have a need or want or just like to throw their opinions out there and see how others react. If we get a lot of likes or confirmation, hey, we feel good about ourselves and our opinions are reaffirmed. If a lot of the opposite, we either A) start to debate or argue or B) accept other opinions and perhaps change our own.

In her case, without knowing anything outside of this article, I would say she did the adult thing by saying "No way, really? LOL". At the very least, she isn't being argumentative and at best she has realized that school is in fact useful.

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Japan, in general, holds education to be extremely important I was eating while reading, I almost choked

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Some very good posts here, and yes, High school is important. The best paying jobs now require the most basic understanding of a lot of the things this young lady thought she didn't need to learn.

I know I use a lot of math formulas to do my own taxes, manage my budget, and plan well ahead in life. As for science, just the little basic understanding I was taught in HS did help me become curious about certain things in life, plus I learned to comprehend physics and other natural laws that are in every day life.

English/Japanese, or w/e native language one has, is needed to know how to write/type and communicate with others without sounding like a nitwit. Plus it helps when learning different languages and how each one has it's own set of grammar rules.

While some folks think the responses she received were too harsh, I say "nay". Because when she is forced to deal with the real world on her own, it will be nowhere as considerate nor polite when she does something wrong.

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Yubaru, when I went to school, (many years ago) the thick kids were shoved to the back of the class, like me, but today, we call it dyslexia, does this mean that were thick? Dyslexic people think differently to most people, perhaps my grammar is not 100% but I run my family run business and I have been doing this for 25 years, some of the CV's that I get are abysmal, we had 1 that had over 13 spelling mistakes and god knows how many punctuation mistakes, and this come from a guy that had "a keen eye for detail!" some are written on a computer and printed out, some are hand written, but, by the large standard of hand writing, is absolutely appalling, they must be all wanting to become junior doctors its that bad. I understand your point about employment, but some one with a poor education how far are they going in life if the educated ones are in boring mundane endless jobs?

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You need Math regardless what line of works you will be doing. Whether you look at your own bank statement or even in some shady business. Where money is involved, you need math. You may not need calculus/algabra, but at least basic math and something a little bit more complicate than +,-,x and / . Acting and psychology would be a very big help in the work of government official as well as management.

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some trends: young n rash is understandable cute but not innocent is a trick beautiful but dumb is a pity

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And it's young people like her that will be getting to vote in the upcoming election later this year. Rather scary to consider.

Lots of people exactly like her have already been eligible to vote for a while, the only difference really being that they're over 20.

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Ha, funny! I might have to take notes from this article my own self . I've answered some of the same silly questions mostly out of my lack of experiences and dull outlook on life. I hope she realizes that the world is a big place and there is a need of people who will do something of meaning and purpose than rather take the short cut to do nothing with their lives.

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English: "This is Japan"

God...how much do I hate it when folk shout this at me. Like its some kind of excuse for them to behave in such n such a way, but totally unacceptable for me too.

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Ya, I had somebody cut me off in my car and almost kill me. I followed the jerk to a 7-11 and told him what he did was mind blowingly dangerous...His answer? You guessed it..."This is Japan".

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she raised good point, why do not they explain the purpose of each subject in the beginning of each subject which will provide an idea to the children, it will also provide an opportunity to get input from the children and the society while improving curriculum.

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I admire her outspokeness, she actually has an opinion and by virtue of youth, she is allowed to have illogical arguments toward education.

Now, judging by the amount of university educated young people who are doomed to part time jobs if they are lucky, the high schooler is not to be brushed off as being a wingnut. It's easy to understand her disallusionment.

All those promises, study hard, go to the right school, her parents payed so much money for cram school, secondary education (as it is not publicly funded) and finally, university.

Yes, she is not far from her opinion. Will there be a job there paying more than minimum wage?

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That guy just won internet. Kudos to him ;).

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Aaron2008 - I also admire her outspokenness and she is on to something. I was reading a journal article today that supports some of her observations at least for females. The paper has data which shows that higher education in Japan, does not necessarily increase the chances of females to obtain full time jobs. While the comments may be extreme there is a structural issue the government needs to look at in my opinion. I have several friends who agreed with their daughters to drop out of high school and travel / study English in New Zealand and Canada. They both completed their high school in Japan through correspondence and now not only speak English but can debate in English. They have come leaders with their peer group and working with worldwide NPOs at the moment. I can see them entering politics soon to create the new Japan they envision.

Ref. Genda, Y., & Kurosawa, M. (2001). Transition from school to work in Japan. Journal of the Japanese and International Economies, 15(4), 465-488. doi:10.1006/jjie.2001.0488

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