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That is, the wife pronounces "Not over my dead body!" And means it.

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Stricter laws first make more law-breakers for the annoyance of majority. Instead, increasing tobacco taxes (at least to the same level as import food) is a win-win situation: if the government doesn't get tax revenue due to people stopping, at least those who do stop receive a healthier, better life and be more productive at work.

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Once they crack down and enforce, cough cough.... Japan will be even better. Most of the smokers here are hopeless though...

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Come on, Japan! Let's follow the Parisian way! So cool! So healthy! So cosmopolitan! And...so right!

Was also thinking that if Japan was serious about a bid for the Olympics, that Japan would have to step up to the bar and join the rest of civilized countries with a complete ban on smoking indoors anywhere. Let smokers dig their own grave with their cancer and soon-to-be-cesium clouds. It's uncivil to inflict this on helpless surrounding staff and people in general.

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Smoking ban indoors? Hey this is Japan......that would be the day if that law passes, too many smokers in Japan don't even think about their kids and second hand smoke at home or even out dinning. Yes I quit and now I just can't take the smell of cigs any more and when out dinning with the family and there is a smoker next to us I'll ask him not to smoke around my kids "period"

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you anti-smokers are ridiculous, live and let live! I have no objection when banning smoking at public areas but if the restaurant owner wants to welcome smokers who are you to make dumb laws.... Dont like smokers then dont eat in smoking restaurants - as simple as that, and dont worry car gaz emissions and the rest of pollution will get to your kids way faster and surely than any second hand smoke you " might " get . Btw, if you are rich enough to take your kids dining out every single day in a smoking place to actually increase any kind of cancer risk,you probably can afford taking em to a non smoking restaurant too.

Will already have a fair share of dumb enforced and really important unenforced laws.. maybe its better to actually concentrate on things that matter.

Humans just love sticking their noses in other people business, dont they.

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Alex Einz

you anti-smokers are ridiculous, live and let live!

Oh lm so sorry for objecting to breathing in your disgusting smoke fumes. Personally l have chosen to not smoke, so why should l be inflicted with you fumes.

I have no objection when banning smoking at public areas but if the restaurant owner wants to welcome smokers who are you to make dumb laws.... Dont like smokers then dont eat in smoking restaurants - as simple as that,

Yeah and l would love to see just how long the restaurant stays in business if it caters only to smokers, not to mention the law suits that they will cope.

and dont worry car gaz emissions and the rest of pollution will get to your kids way faster and surely than any second hand smoke you " might " get . Btw, if you are rich enough to take your kids dining out every single day in a smoking place to actually increase any kind of cancer risk,you probably can afford taking em to a non smoking restaurant too.

Spoken like a true smoker in denial.

Will already have a fair share of dumb enforced and really important unenforced laws.. maybe its better to actually concentrate on things that matter. Humans just love sticking their noses in other people business, dont they.

Yes there are a lot of dumb laws but not this one. Why should non smokers be forced to not do something just because you have a death wish. Why should the non smokers have to suck in your second hand fumes, you want to kill yourself do it in your own home away from people who dont want to smoke or breathe your fumes. Simple isnt it!!!

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ALEX EINZ;

You are the typical smoker: "You've got to respect my right to smoke" while you blow your fcking smoke on my face.

CLETUS: I agree with each word you've wrote.

Smokers want to have the right to smoke? Yes, do it at your own house.

It's like having sex: Yes, you can have as much as you want, but not in the streets, showing your cincin to everyone who doesn't want to see it.

Smokers should be considered as sick as a crack addicted. It is a kind of monthly payment suicide.

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Cletus, can you bring one argument to your point? As I said if in my PRIVATE restaurant I want people to smoke, who are you to threaten me with lawsuits or tell me otherwise

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Alex Einz

Cletus, can you bring one argument to your point? As I said if in my PRIVATE restaurant I want people to smoke, who are you to threaten me with lawsuits or tell me otherwise

So the fact that you will discriminate against non smokers, force them to expose themselves to harmful chemicals if they want to eat in your restaurant. What about your staff? You will be limited to hiring only smokers. There is a case for discrimination there. If you hire a non smoker and they get a smoking related disease well there is a lovely law suit for not providing a safe workplace. The list goes on and on. Face facts if you want to smoke great good for you, enjoy your life. But dont inflict your second hand stinking smoke on others.

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As I said if in my PRIVATE restaurant I want people to smoke, who are you to threaten me with lawsuits or tell me otherwise

Even a private restaurant operates under the pleasure of the government that issues its operating license. The operating license is one allowing you to serve the public. Don't want to follow the rule of law? Then be prepared to lose your license. How's that?

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I am not sure how anything I have said brings anyone to conclusion of smokers forcing you to smoke. As I said, I do object to smoking in public areas except when there are designated ( covered from rain preferably ) areas. That is a no brainer, in public you most definitely have the right not to be subjected to something you dont like.

In a private establishment, you dont have that right, you do have a choice not to come in. Fact is there are owners who chose to cater to non smoking people such as all Global Dining network and its fine. They suffered certain loss and maybe a certain gain... its a private decision.

My point is I dont understand why such decision should be forced, smoking has been around for thousand of years in one form of another and some people do enjoy their coffee or drink with a cigarette.

I totally respect your right not to enjoy it, but you should respect my right otherwise. Public area - NO smoking , Private area is that area owners choice.

On that same subject, I am a cyclist and dont drive a car, under your argument all cars should be immediately banned ( those too cause cancer you know ) and dont get me started on everything else that might be bad for you.

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Alex Einz

Its very rare that l actually agree with Ben but in this case he is 100% right. If you own an establishment you are governed by the rules that the government sets out. Now you want smoking only venues, that in most countries is a discriminatory act. Its the same as saying whites only, or Japanese only, or men only it would not fly. Now last time l checked smoking was a harmful past time not only to the participant but also to those around them hence some nations have banned smoking indoors in public places and even in some outdoor areas. Being a non smoker is not harmful to those around you therefore why should the non smoker be penalized for not endangering the health of others.

My point is I dont understand why such decision should be forced, smoking has been around for thousand of years in one form of another and some people do enjoy their coffee or drink with a cigarette.

Yes smoking has been around for a long time and we are now finding out the risks associated with not only smoking but also second hand smoke. In my home country smoking is banned in ALL food outlets and indoor public places. This is a great thing you dont go somewhere to eat and end up sucking in a smokers smoke. The one downside is you have to walk past the smokers to get into the building more often than not and that stinks. But at least we are moving in the right direction unlike Japan for example which seperates smokers and non smokers by a line on the floor or a passage between tables.

I totally respect your right not to enjoy it, but you should respect my right otherwise. Public area - NO smoking , Private area is that area owners choice.

I do respect your right to smoke in private, private being your own house or car. Public areas include restaurants, buildings, and shops. So if you want to smoke do it in private by all means.

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Its very rare that l actually agree with Ben but in this case he is 100% right.

You must be one of those 'the glass is half filled' guys if you think agreement in one of the only two discussions we've ever had afaik is very rare. Anyway, smokers are mistaken if they think they have a right to smoke. Smoking is a well and carefully regulated priviledge, as is driving which was mentioned in comparison. Breathing on the other hand is a natural born right. IMHO, this natural born right to breathe surpassing the regulated priviledge of smoking if there is a non-smoker present in a public place, this includes restaurants, malls, movie theaters and other venues.

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Rights, rights, rights.....................smoking isn't one fo them

In ireland, where I am from, people had the right to smoke in a bar. Now they don't. The government took that right away (loopholes on what exactly defines an enclosed space notwithstanding). Rights get taken away all the time, and lets hope Japan sooner rather than later.

First time offense: fine of somewhere in the region of 30,000 Euros for the owner of the bar. Second time offense: Licence suspended for a month.

Ireland too good advice from the EU and delayed the smoking ban until it was warm enough that people didn't complain about having to go outside to smoke. By the time winter came round, they were used to doing it.

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smoking has been around for thousand of years in one form of another

So have other grubby activities like murder and wife-bashing. Does not mean it is right. If you want to engage in this reckless activity, please pay for private health insurance and don't steal my taxes when you get lung cancer - and don't even dare to physically assault me or my family in public spaces.

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One poster writes: "If someone is smoking near my child I ask him to leave" Why would you be taking your child near smoking? Are there smokers who follow you around blowing smoke into your face? I highly doubt that. If someone is smoking near your child, just walk away, stop bringing your child to smoking areas. Only smoke at home? No, public space means public space. There shouldn't be anti-smoking laws against smoking in the open air. There certainly shouldn't be anti-smoking laws in bars. "Please don't hurt my lungs while I murder my liver". Ridiculous. Guess what folks? Who gives a crap? You're all going to die, no one is immortal. So just live and let live. And to hell with anti-smoking nazis.

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Who gives a crap?

I do. I don't want to breathe your smoke. I should not have to breathe your smoke. When someone takes a drink, I do not have to drink with them. Why should I have to smoke with you?

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I am pretty anti-smoking, grew up with parents that puffed till our eyes(kids teared up). Now being a parent myself I don't smoke, some friends are allowed to smoke indoors but they know the rules and a considerate.

Happy that much of the world gone anti-smoking, like in offices, most restaurants, etc. Also remember when smoking came about it was frowned upon and confined to "Smoking Clubs".

I got nothing against reasonable smokers, ie people that ask before lighting up and don't smoke till the meal is finished(remember smoking lounges and smoking jackets?).

None of my Folks no-longer smoke and my pad is no-smoking but I do make exception for a few good friends. Same way I decide on the places(restaurants) I take my family to.

There are many things you can do to eliminate smoke and the smell like Candles, proper ash-trays, etc. If you squash out a cig it will smell bad.

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I hate smoking so much that I will actually turn down an offer of s exual r elations from a woman if she is a smoker.

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Why would you be taking your child near smoking?

Why would you be taking your smoke near children?

If someone is smoking near your child, just walk away, stop bringing your child to smoking areas.

if a child is there just walk away, stop bringing your foul smoke to areas where there are children. Heck, to areas where there are people. How do you know how many asthmatics might be near you when you light up?

Who gives a crap?

Lots of folk. That's why the anti-smoking laws are gradually being passed.

You're all going to die

I'd rather not spend however long I have before I do that coughing and wheezing from someone else's toxic fumes.

If you squash out a cig it will smell bad.

If you light a cig it will smell bad.

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Double standards.......

I don't drive, but everyday when my daughter and I walk or cycle outside (or open a window in our home) we have to inhale the dangerous mix of chemicals coming from non-smokers dirty exhaust pipes...

What should I do, ask the drivers not to drive near us? This is exactly the same problem... But for some bizarre reason anti-smoking Nazi's forget that they pollute the air - but that's different in their minds (and therefore acceptable) because it's not a cigarette... How is it different? Air pollution is air pollution...

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How is it different?

Perhaps you could explain the convenient uses and advantages for society of the usage of cigarettes, etc?

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Exactly..... I knew it.....Just deny that air pollution is everywhere and that you too are responsible (deny, deny, deny)...

We don't care, we don't care - lets pick on the smokers, let's pick on the smokers.....

Grow up.

There are smokers with bad manners (social awareness skills) and there are also kind and considerate smokers. Only narrow minded people tar (excuse the pun) smokers with the same brush...

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There are smokers with bad manners (social awareness skills) ....

Those who smoke around people

and there are also kind and considerate smokers

You never see those, because they're kind and considerate enough to keep their filthy habit to themselves. (A bit like 'kind and considerate self-abusers' - they only do it in private) And there's one word that describes them both, rhymes with bankers.

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I don't smoke near children. But you can't expect every smoker to stop smoking because you walk near them. If you see someone smoking, and it sends you into your self-righteous tizzy, walk away. That simple. No one is asking you to stand near it. And smoking provides a great service to society. It calms smokers so they don't end up punching self-satisfied holier-than-thou anti-smoking nazis right in their smug faces.

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I am aware of the disadvantages of cars, etc. I asked you what the advantages and convenient uses for cigarettes, etc are.

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Another good round in the cycle of enlightening smokers in denial.

One day and soon Japan is going to come around and ban all smoking indoors 100%. Too many other countries are doing it and businesses are doing fine to keep knuckle dragging. The J-government and J-Tobacco liaison is simply evil.

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cleo,

Exactly, a polite smoker is an invisible and non-fragrant smoker.

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But you can't expect every smoker to stop smoking because you walk near them.

In public places, unless they are specifically reserved for smokers, I can and do.

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It calms smokers so they don't end up punching self-satisfied holier-than-thou anti-smoking nazis right in their smug faces.

It certainly seems to be working for you, doesn't it.

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You can, but I'm just going to laugh at you. You can expect everyone to give you all their money and make you king of the world, doesn't mean it's realistic. I'm a considerate smoker, but smoker hating douches deserve to get faces full of smoke.

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I'm a considerate smoker, but smoker hating douches deserve to get faces full of smoke.

Yes, I can certainly see the calming effects of smoking now. Thanks.

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I'm a considerate smoker, but smoker hating douches deserve to get faces full of smoke

If you're the considerate smoker you claim to be, surely you never come across 'smoker hating douches' because you smoke only in private where you offend no one. Or are you claiming that folk are breaking into your home to complain about you smoking in private?

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@Cleo: If you're the considerate smoker you claim to be, surely you never come across 'smoker hating douches' because you smoke only in private where you offend no one. Or are you claiming that folk are breaking into your home to complain about you smoking in private?

I am sure he/she means that considerate smokers (yes we do exist) are tired of feeling insulted and belittled by those who have had bad experiences with inconsiderate smokers. When one uses the expression smokers, it refers to all smokers. If would be more appropriate to use the word 'inconsiderate or selfish' smokers when complaining, rather than just smokers...

It is no different from claiming that all drivers (in Japan) jump red lights, thus all Japanese drivers are bad/dangerous (which of course isn't true). I am sure you know what I mean?

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Trying to force people for the sake of your preference can be a dangerous wormhole...instead of passing ridiculous rules wouldnt it be just better to try and cooperate on better education, so that everyone will be happy?

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wow, my posts have been edited...whats up with that, is there a anti smokin nazi as a moderator ? truth is a b**tch hey

Moderator: References to alcohol were removed as they are off topic. The subject is smoking.

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You still do not get it? An offensive smell, be it alcohol, sweat or whatever is not a health risk. Breathing smoke is. There is absolutely no reason or need, beyond the selfish desire on the part of the smoking individual, for me to be exposed to such a thing in a publically used space. Go home, close the windows and doors and have at it. Don't make me a part of your poison. That is all I ask.

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If would be more appropriate to use the word 'inconsiderate or selfish' smokers when complaining, rather than just smokers...

Sorry tokyokawasaki, but "'inconsiderate or selfish' smokers" is tautological. If they considered what they were doing...they wouldn't do it. If they had any regard for the friends and family members who will likely have to watch them cough their lungs up as they go through emphysema and graduate to lung cancer, they wouldn't do it. I lost both parents and a brother to cigarettes; they were all wonderful people and I miss them terribly. They knew second-hand smoke aggravated my asthma and never smoked around me or the kids, but still smoking (in private) was the most selfish thing any of them did. Robbed me of a Mum and a Dad and a brother, robbed my kids of loving, doting grandparents and an indulgent uncle.

Never mind us 'smoker hating douches'. We don't matter. Before you light up again, browse through the family album and ask yourself if you really want to be a memory floating in a blue haze.

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Cleo,

That was one of the best arguments against smoking I've seen for a while.

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Cleo. Sorry about your loss. I lost two grandfathers and a grandmother to cigs. TokyoKawasaki-san, you listening? Sorry to read you smoke. Hope you will reconsider with every stick you light up. We would hate to lose you early and horribly. Cleo is on the money.

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It is true that it is hard to be pro smoker (I am smoking myself), I just enjoy it as much as anyone would enjoy a glass of whiskey, a movie, a nice song etc, etc. Smoking kills (sometimes) we know it, it s written on bold letter on the pack (no in Japan though), but let me have this pleasure with my morning cafe, after my lunch and while drinking. Most of smokers smoke in designated areas and will not kill you or your kids blowing their smoke to your face. There is enough space in Tokyo for both smoker and non smoker to enjoy without destroying each other life or pleasure and live together. Peace!

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No, public space means public space. There shouldn't be anti-smoking laws against smoking in the open air.

"Open air" or not, cigarette smoke still stinks and is most unpleasant for other pedestrians. It makes me feel sick.

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Cleo I am lost for words on how to respond. Just wanted to let you know I hear you x

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I agree with what the others said, Tokyokawasaki. Stop smoking and you will bring an immeasurable amount of joy to your family and friends.

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It doesn't need words, tokyokawasaki. Just think before you light up. And feel the love. :-)

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Cleo: are you talking about marijuana?

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Kaku..."let me have this pleasure with my morning cafe, after my lunch and while drinking." Which is why I cannot enjoy the morning cafes, countless lunch places, and zillions of drinking places. Because you are SMOKING in my air! You should be ashamed at your selfishness. Please smoke at home with all windows and doors closed.

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Kaku - No.

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You have my sympathy Alex Einz. I hate cigarette smoke as much as anybody, but I love freedom a hell of a lot more that I hate anything.

But I have run into so many anti-smoking crusaders who claim they can smell cigarette smoke coming from a house down the block. Good luck convincing them they are actually just schizo.

I hear you that smokers also have rights. I do feel that non-smokers should come first, but if a restaurant wants to have a smoking area guaranteed not to bother non-smoking customers, they should have that right.

Anyway, with the caesium 134 and 137 particles and others floating around lately, I don't have much room to worry about cigarettes.

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Ranger: "YOUR" air? Really? How about MY air?

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How about OUR air, because that is what it is. No need to overthink this, Kak.

By the way, there is no successful separation possible in a restaurant beyond wishful and fruitless thinking. Now the addition of cesium in the newly harvested tobacco from Fukushima farmers. The only resolution is a total ban on smoking indoors everywhere. Then we can live in peace on this issue.

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I don't want to be too partisan on this topic, but a few pro-smoking comments say things like you can just leave the smoking area, don't go where smokers go...

This is not do easy in Japan. It's not easy to get your money back if you decide to leave a restaurant or take your kids away from old men who decide to smoke at busstops. Sometimes you're more or less stuck.

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Exhaust pollution is also an oft used defense, but there have been studies about it (google it). And in no way does normal car exhaust, even for daily city walkers have similar effects as second-hand smoke (unless you're in a closed room with exhaust, for example, then it's often fatal).

Read up :-)

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And what is the objective of reporting this on a Japanese news site? Irony?

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Just walk around Shibuya St and collect the fags, that usually are accompanied by a can of coffee. You'll find 1000 reasons to ban smoking and smoking areas.

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