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I'd make this my regular cafe if she was my waitress! Why can't I get this at Doutor?

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Corporal Steve:

Actually this is filth and i hope men can be real men and enjoy women as people not objects.

But you always make women subject to your ideas as objects...barefoot in the kitchen, making you cup cakes and coffee. Washing your dirty socks etc.

You do not enjoy us women as women at all. You are slipping with your thoughts.

The waitress looks sexy and that is good. As long as they can bring in business and be paid a decent wage so she can entertain people like you, then these cafes are great. Business is business.

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I'll bet she makes a lot in tips.

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Oh, turn it up George Roper! We are men - straight men like looking at women. Like it or not, this is what Japanese entertainment is based on too. It doesn't make us monsters! And Vietnamese women are sexy...

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Right i was living in the 1950's now i have travelled back to Victorian times. Next i will be from the Middle Ages, beyond belief!!!

Actually I would put you somewhere between the Christian Coalition type folks and Adam and Eve.

I think you have a warped idea of what right and wrong are. There is nothing wrong with what she all the other women are doing. If they crossed the line and broke the law, that's a different story. Wearing a bikini and serving coffee. Hmmm I am pretty sure you are going to see just as much skin walking down the beach as you would in that cafe. But I guess you don't go to the beach either. My Daddy once told me that women are God's gift to men, look, at all that beauty there and appreciate it don't knock it!

I would say that you come across to me as being a prude at the least. I grew up learning something that I think fits here, don't judge lest you be judged yourself, and people who live in glass houses better use windex, or something like that.

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She's a cutie.

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This is appalling. I guess the resident sexists will drool over the photo and wish they could go to similar cafe. The men who are probably married shoudl be ashamed of themselves. The women should be dressed decently and should also be ashamed of themselves.

You ever been to Hooters? I wonder if you ever went to a Japanese snack or cabaret, it's similar and the reason customers come is because there are females there to wait on them, hopefully one's like the girl in the pic.

I hope she gets paid good money.

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Foxie : Pay a visit to Kabukicho in Shinjuku.

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Business is business, but if illegal activities are going on, then shut them down. That picture does not show gambling or men groping Americans of Vietnamese decent. More than likely some other ethnic group, just like most Sushi places in America are run by Americans of Chinese or Koreans decent.

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I am sure the girl in the picture gets extra tips, and can also convince customers to drink one more cup of tea. That is the power we have over you men.

True but only for a limited time

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How ridiciluous. Too racy for some, but the a few are able to ram thier morals onto the majority.

It always amazes how there is never enough money to fix the failing infrastructure, keep the schools open, keep the convicts in prison, or send out the social security checks, but there is always enough money to send an army of police out to chase skantly clad girls over moral issues.

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Some of the Older Generation would not approve of this kind of establishment. They value an Elegant way of life. In terms of Demeanor, Appearance and Attitude. That's the only way I can explain it.

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More power to em. California's Lefty pokenoses hate Vietnamese because they work hard and tend to vote R.

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...or Sydney for that matter. A couple hundred thousand Viet chicks there too!

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The one in the picture has a rather big head and wide face, if you ask me.

Yeah. She is Asian. Its part of their appeal. Same with Betty Boop.

Waaaaaay too much make-up on

Comes right off.

thighs of a pro-wrestler IMHO.

Too each their own.

The woman is sexy...just not to you. Regardless, I bet she reels customers in like few women can't. That is the point, and your personal tastes are not.

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"Waaaaaay too much make-up on (how will she look without?)"

And how do some Japanese women look without the copious amounts of make-up they wear ?

" and thighs of a pro-wrestler IMHO."

I'm sure she's very small in stature. And not any pro-wrestlers I can think of (although I wouldn't mind wrestling with her )

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Corporal steve:

These women are nothing better than hookers.

Tisktisk. Aren`t we jumpy this morning.

I dress similar but much less make-up, and My mother is proud to show her successful daughter to her friends.

Real men don't need to drool over women like dressed like this.

Ah, from this English usage once again, you have proved your point that you are not a Native English Speaker. Thanks for confirming.

"Racy" at least for the cafe and picture posted should have not been used. It is just a cafe and business. Lots of women visit these places too. Ask your wife. I am sure she has too.

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Is it a prerequisite to post here btw?

Is what a prerequisite to post here?

find something adult to say.

意味は何だろうな?  What does this mean?

I was actually amazed at how sleazy the guys looked in that picture, grabbing the waitress, running their eyes and thoughts up and down her firm thighs... whoops wrong picture!

Business is business as I stated before and I think all is well.

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And when will they start cafes like that with handsome Asian guys with nice legs where women can enjoy cake with coffee?

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Steve: "Actually this is filth and i hope men can be real men and enjoy women as people not objects."

A very noble thought, but not at all realistic, and I have my doubts you follow it 24/7. Prostitution is the oldest trade in the world, and men and women will never stop looking at sexually appealing images or beings any more than they'll stop having sex in general. If not for this kind of thing you and I would not be alive.

One of the funniest eras in history is the Victorian era in England, when they even demanded chair legs be covered lest they conjure up sexual images and thoughts. This is what you remind me of, Steve.

I think the young woman in the picture is pretty hot, though it's not a very flattering pose, and I agree with Skeptical Hippo about her thighs.

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I lived in that area, too. The vast majority of Vietnamese-Americans are wonderful people, but the combination of the tragic, horrific violence that is part of their history with the pervasive gang culture in SoCal means that Viet gangs are some of the most vicious around. I've read that the primary objection police have to these cafes is their smoked windows; the police want to be able to keep tabs on what are certainly gang magnets. I hope that the legitimate business owners and the police can work together to find a solution where both sides win.

This is all happening in the shadow of Disneyland, btw. Maybe next time I'll just drop the kids off while I go on to enjoy my own 'Happiest Place on Earth.'

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This cafe is excellent.

That's all there is to say on the matter.

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I am all for drooling over scantily clad women so I would go. I stand by that comment. I am human and if a girl wants to work there then that is her freedom. If it is an adult establishment then no problem. @Steve you said they are no better than a prostitute. A prostitute is a human being too. A person with feelings. Who are you to judge theses ladies in these cafes in America or Japan. In my athletic days traveling to strip clubs with ball players I met many women who get a rush out of showing off their bodies scantily clad. Is there any illegal activity? Well I can tell you that there is illegal betting on sports at every venue but we don't shut games down. If the machines are illegal take them out. Other than that leave people alone.

If you don't like maid cafes don't go but you are not better than another human because he likes to look at scantily clad women. When I am with a woman in a relationship, I respect her. When she is not with me I can look at anything I want. Is that a crime? Well I guess I am a criminal for life.

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I've always been in favor of Smoking only Bars, why not ? I can see that trouble in the Parking lots are going to happen because they have to go outside and smoke. Make it a requirement, that if you don't smoke, you can't enter the bar; this goes for the employees too ! In short, "if you don't like the smoke, get out of the kitchen !"

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f you don't like maid cafes don't go but you are not better than another human because he likes to look at scantily clad women. When I am with a woman in a relationship, I respect her. When she is not with me I can look at anything I want. Is that a crime? Well I guess I am a criminal for life.

Here here! Well said. Heck I will say this too, if I had the body and looks where I could make money just serving coffee and drinks to a bunch of women oggling at me, well I have to say that I think I would do it as well.

But I highly doubt any female wants to pay money to check me out.

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Gosh this thread reads like a bunch of lesbians without a partner!

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When thing is this hot, you need ice coffee! cheers, enjoy life before you die. nothing to complain here.

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BoratLikeBarry; I think bars that cater for women are equally awful. I would consider that sufficient grounds for divorce and custody of children if there are any. Why do these places exist? why are people throwing their money at sleazy dives which more often than not have links to organised crime.

Prudish comments aside here, you are making an assumption that places like these exist only because of organized crime. Not so dude, not so. Sure many may have these so called links, but not everything is as you may think.

I have a very good friend who owns and operates a cabaret, his staff, all of them rather young 20 ish females, are truly good looking, and at that age have little problem with flaunting what they have.

They are all paid well, well protected, and usually do not associate with customers outside of work.

He provides a fun service, guys go there with that in mind, everyone has fun, and there is ZERO organized crime involved.

I've been there with friends on any number of occasions, and dude, don't knock it till you try it. Loosen up and have some fun! Women are God's greatest gift to men, enjoy them while you can, hopefully you'll never loose interest.

But alas I fear you already have. Too sad.

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Why has nobody mentioned the coffee? If it comes from Vietnam, it is almost certainly a lot better than the stuff you get at Starbucks.

Assaults with deadly weapons are more likely to be a result of the legality of guns in the States than any illegality in the coffee shops.

If the girls working there are happy to dress like that, what is the problem. I'll bet they think that girls working in restaurants and supermarkets for minimum wage are more exploited than they are.

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steve@CPFC Jul. 21, 2011 - 07:44AM JST There was a poster who recently stated that he is from Vietnam and it is considered ok to get paid under the table and not pay to the IRS. There may be a problem with a section of that community that needs to be resolved.

Steve, as you know, the cash business is not just isolated with Vietnamese community, but all nationalities of business. Underground economy in California is a major problem with annual estimate value of $6.5 billion unreported to IRS. This applies to individuals and businesses that deal in cash or use other schemes to conceal their activities and their true tax liability from government. There is underground economy basically refers to tax evasion, tax fraud, under-the-table, and off-the-books. It imposes significant burdens on the State and businesses that comply with the law.

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Steve, lighten up bro. It's just men being men.

I wish I had known about these places when I was in Garden Grove earlier this year. Definitely a notch up on the sexy scale from the maid cafes we have here and certainly more affordable than hostess clubs. I just hope the gals are not being exploited for other "services."

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Nice find, Hippo! Must have been a tough assignment for that reporter!

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Crack down on the gambling sure. That is probably what all the crime is related to. It needs to be regulated.

But quasi-nudity? People like steve can just stay home for crap's sake.

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I used to live in that area, and went to those shops quite a bit, both alone, and with my Vietnamese friends. Those places are fantastic, and the girls are amazing. Beautiful and friendly (although they are hired guns).

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People stop bashing me because of my progressive views, show some tolerance to different views without personal attacks and abuse,.

Progressive views? You have to be kidding? Your views come across as someone who has been lving in the dark ages for a century or two. If a woman chooses to work in that environment, for what ever the reason, it is her choice. Who are you or I for that matter to degrade her or degrade the people that choose to visit her establishment?

f you read the article you would see that they are doing wrong. Some places have actual nudity and have illegal gamblige, so that is prudish!!!! Of course one appreciates a womans beauty but they need not dress like a cheap tart to look good, that is low class.

I read the article, did you? I also commented that if what they are doing is against the law in the area they are in then so be it, suffer the consequences. However, your prudish commentary notwithstanding these women are earning a living by using their God given "talent" or "looks", who are you or anyone for that matter given the right to criticize them for making an honest living?

The guys that frequent their establishments are the one's that need to have their heads examined. Dont crack on the women for what they are doing to make a living, get down on the guys that patronize the establishments.

Oh and if you read the article you would have noticed that in different areas the laws differ as well.

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Dont crack on the women for what they are doing to make a living, get down on the guys that patronize the establishments.

Well, that is just sexist. Either both are wrong or neither are. The women are definitely encouraging them.

I just don't see the problem with it. Gambling, yes. Enjoying the fruits of the fairer sex? Nothing wrong with that.

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"patrons are being urged to smoke outside"

But they can still smoke inside if they want.

"Officers plan to make rounds of the 37 Vietnamese cafes"

I'll bet they are.

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But they can still smoke inside if they want.

Not in California. Illegal to smoke inside any restaurant, bar, coffee shop, etc. If they smoke inside it will just give the cops a chance to raid the place.

I used to hang out in those places when they introduced that law. They tried using special foil ashtrays which they could ditch quickly should the cops show up. But with all the extra heat, I suppose they genuinely do ask patrons to smoke outside.

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This is why I think the laws as to what constitutes a private establishment should be made a little more lax. After April 15 all I wanted to do was have a smoke and get served by beautiful women. Now I can't smoke and in many states and I'd have to go to a strip club because unless the servers are classified as 'entertainers' they fall under EEOC jurisdiction and may be subject to discriminatory lawsuits as several have in the past and the last thing I want is a Chippendales wannabe serving me my Kona brand coffee.

These cafes sound like a nice place to relax with a coffee and some good company, go for a few spins on the roulette wheel, and to light up at the owners discretion. There are so few places that can successfully combine sex appeal with class. I just hope the moral police don't succeed in try to save me from scantily clad women serving me coffee, I could think of worse fates.

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The topic at hand is the nature of these establishments, so let's examine that. Having been a bar manager, having been in the entertainment business & music industry, anyone who thinks a majority of these young women are not complicit in their own exposure is simply naive.

Granted, these kinds of places are an extreme example, and those who find them offensive shouldn't visit them, but their existence is partly a manifestation of our desire for display. It is incorrect to say these young women are not proud of their appearance; it may not be a type of pride everyone agrees with, but while expressing contrary beliefs is freedom, imposing them is tyranny.

Do these kinds of places contribute to desensitization over the sexualization of women? Yes. Will the elimination of these kinds of places contribute to reducing that? No. Treating the symptom may make a certain segment of the population feel better, but that's an illusion; the root cause is far deeper. There would be more effect from reforming fashion and cosmetics, than getting rid of gross display venues.

As to these types of place being loci for other unsavory activities, that depends on the neighborhood, the management, and the clientele; and those are all controllable to reasonable degrees as applied to any kind of business. Like anything else, if it's all in good fun, and nobody gets hurt, then as adults, we should be able to handle it.

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See this type of stuff just doesn't only happen in Japan. If this was a article about Japan, there'd be a few "only in Japan" comments.

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I have like not been here in a while, and when I saw the cafe girl, I had to take a look. I love th eranting here. Took quite a while to read through them. My girl friend looked at them with me and we just laughed and laughed.

How ridiciluous. Too racy for some, but the a few are able to ram thier morals onto the majority.

It always amazes how there is never enough money to fix the failing infrastructure, keep the schools open, keep the convicts in prison, or send out the social security checks, but there is always enough money to send an army of police out to chase skantly clad girls over moral issues.

This was the best from up above. The moral religious right always scream the loudest. Why?

Looking at the thumbs up and the thumbs down is quite funny too.

Keep having fun. I got some SKYPE conferencing to do. Might be back later. Ciao

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steve@CPFCJul. 19, 2011 - 03:52AM JST. There is illegal activity occuring in these places, that is why the police are cleaning up the area. Now, i am all for stopping illegal activitis especially ones like gambling and naked women parading around for male chauvanist pigs. I don't like the idea of people working there, i don't like the idea of men going there,especially those married.

You want to take away their culture because of your belief? Maybe you should move to China. In 1-1/2 years, they reported only 3 robberies? One in 6 month is tramatic to you in L.A.? If you know anything about L.A., this is very low rate. Coffee shops with provocatively dressed waitresses have been part of the culture of Vietnam since at least the early '60s. Despite the link to problems, the coffee shops have rarely been visited by the law enforcement.The reality is police have to prioritize. If police is going to spend resources, do we want to spend them doing gang and drug enforcement? Or do we want them going into these Viet coffee shops?"Most have never encountered any violation of the city ordinance prohibiting nudity in businesses that serve food or beverages. Just the few gave them bad image to the area. Majority are good business people.

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steve@CPFCJul. 19, 2011 - 05:18AM JST. These places have been scamming the taxpayers by avoiding taxes and illegally having nude girls serve.That aint culture it is lawbreaking. If they comply they can stay open and have no fear of the police.

All cash businesses scam taxpayers, some more than others, so what makes Vietnamese coffee shop different? They're all same. This is nothing new. Out of the 37 coffee shops, we all know some wear provocative clothes but how many were cited for nude girls? One?

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steve@CPFC. What's wrong with a normal cafe where the staff dress decently?

Are you saying these busineses are breaking the law by dressing provacatively? How ridiculous. If you compare with what you see at the beaches anywhere, the Vietnamese coffee shop is tame and modest.

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steve@CPFCJul. 19, 2011 - 06:20AM JST. Thing is i grew up. why would i want to look at these women, i am happy with my married life. These kind of places give men a bad name to women. They view us as shallow and sleazy due to this kind of thing.

This has nothing to do with your argument about how you view women. Unfortunately, as long as there is a market for these sleazy type of business and they make alot of easy money, they will continue. The U.S. law and laws in other countries provides protection for all businesses, including adult entertainment. You have choice and you can visit or not visit. I don't visit any of these establishments, but they have right to exist.

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steve@CPFC; Possibly i would have gone to something similar in my teens and out with the lads on the beers. Thing is i grew up.

Is it just me, or is your argument totally negated with the statement above? Judging by your picture you are a mature gent now, but there are plenty of younger guys who would go to these places (as you said you may have done). These places are hardly the classiest places to hang around, but if you admit that you may have gone here when you were younger, you are not really in any place to criticise those who choose to do so before they "grow up." Time to put this little spat to bed.

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I want to go there and decide for myself! Too bad in Japan we only have those weird maid cafes, not counting places where you'll drop a months salary before you know it. There is something to be said for a cafe that provides waitress to oogle.

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I fly for business to LA in two weeks. My x-wife is coming along with my kids and my live in partner. I sent this JT story to my X and she wants to check it out and shoot pictures. The kids are going too. As long as no cigs are being stoked, should be an interesting very different site seeing adventure.

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@steve There, I fixed your first post for you. Cheers! ;-)

This is appealing. I guess JT's resident virile posters will worship the photo and wish they could go to a similar cafe. These men who are most definitely married should never be ashamed of themselves. These women, working their beautiful assets off, should always be scantily dressed and should also never, ever be ashamed of themselves.

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steve@CPFC

I can see your point in a way - these places are not at all classy as I said, but I would not necessarily label them a disgrace or whatever. It's not like it's a brothel or anything like that. Just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on host bars and butler cafes, etc in Japan that cater to women? If a woman was to go there, would you feel sorry for the husband?

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You are right gaijintraveler! The coffee is probably excellent and the food too.

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Nice...

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Would the religious right try to shut down Hooters too? It is a family restaurant.

Those that do not like something, do not have to view, attend, read about it or comment.

Most of the cafes are just as law abiding as most diners and delis selling lotto tickets.

There are cheats everywhere and it does not matter what business. I hope the Cafes do really well. Will stop in and support them with the family when there for business. I am looking forward to the good service, coffee and hopefully some nice Vietnamese noodles.

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Steve, what illegal activities give you such concern? Would it be enough to root out the gambling but leave nudity alone? Or do we have to crack down on nudity too? Does nudity cause gambling? Violence? Or is it just not how you want society to be?

Can we regulate these things to make them safe? Or no?

Are your reasons religious or secular?

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I think most will find most REAL men feel the same.

I think there are only real men and monsters. And intolerance and closed mindedness might leave one a real man, but certainly less of one IMHO. To each their own. Anything else is being a self-righteous snob. There is no one-size-fits-all-shoe Steve. Vive la difference, because variety is the spice of life. No harm no foul, and no, your sensibilities don't count in that equation.

And I speak as a man who never goes to those type of places either and have little interest is bar girls either. But there are plenty of fish in the sea as they say, so no reason to begrudge them or the guys who get pleasure from them. I got mine. But your posts make wonder, do you have yours? Why be so condeming if you did?

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this hole story reminds me of Feynman working physics in the evenings in his favorite strip parlor. and testifying for the parlor when "concerned" citizens sued the owners for "corrupting the society values". Steve, do you know that in the Middle Ages, the Church tolerated prostitution as a compromise in keeping the lust evolving to rape, violence, etc?

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Furthermore, all of this political correctness BS has gone too far!!

The female body (and the man's if you're a woman) is a beautiful thing. But no, I guess you'd rather have people lust after material objects instead, which is just unnatural compared to human instinct! And please spare me the argument about lust being wrong - it's a human trait and we all have it, whether you lust after a beautiful sexy thing or a cream cake!

If the women working in Hooters feel offended, then they are free to go work elsewhere, but I haven't seen a single woman that worked at Hooters who was miserable in her job! Not one!!

I say bring these cafes to Japan...oh, wait....

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steve@CPFC, you come across as a hypocrite you know. You have a lot of nerve calling these women sleazy when you have no idea who any of them are.

Oh and question for you here, dose your wife strip for you? If the shoe fits dude, wear it.

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steve@CPFCJul. 20, 2011 - 03:37PM JST. I suggest some of you who bash me go down to thoes wonderfull cafes. Possibly you will get aressted during a raid, explain that to your wife and kids. These places are NOT respectable, why else would police be concentrating on the area due to high crime. If i want to go out, i will go to a decent place which is not operating in a criminal manner and there is a dress code.

How do you know? What a joke. You can believe in your morals but don't stuff it in other peoples throat. You have choice and you can live by your choice. Everybody has choice going or not going to these coffee shops and majority of people that go are good citizens and are not breaking the law.

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Steve, if you consider 3 reported robberies in 18 months as excessive you, then I take your word. I know the area pretty well, and I know L.A. inside and out, and I can tell you this is not a widepread problem as reported and it's given the negative undeserved attention to Vietnamese community. Most Vietnamese-Americans are good hard working people and I have alot of respect for them. If they really want to gamble, there is plenty legal gambling in Carson , which is fairly close to Garden Grove, and many legal Indian Casino with slot machines in Riverside county, short distance of 1-2 hours to L.A. You keep mentioning about illegal nudity, but I mentioned to you previously, ONE establishment out of 37 Coffee shop businesses was cited for illegal nudity, and this more of a preception that they all do this. This is far from the truth. You will always have few bad apple in any business.

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Old (18 days) news JT...

http://hosted2.ap.org/FLJAJ/5516718d3e6146098e038e953e1d5b98/Article_2011-07-01-Vietnamese%20Coffeehouse%20Crackdown/id-29808fbc72cf4622a577f881c513e35d

The pic is from 2009. Here's a bigger one for you droolers:

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/may-19-2009-photo-quynh-ly-23-waitress-photo-030139375.html

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She's OK Hippo - you gotta go to Saigon and have a look though. Beautiful chicks everywhere!

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On YouTube as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOePtke4MrY

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"And how do some Japanese women look without the copious amounts of make-up they wear ?

And how about Americans? Hmmmm....

Isn't that beside the point? We're talking (for whatever reason???) about Vietnamese girls..."

We ARE posting on a Japanese site and by the way we're talking about American women of Vietnamese heritage.

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Readers, please stop sniping at each other.

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Steve: "Next i will be from the Middle Ages, beyond belief!!!"

No, I think people in the Middle Ages were more open minded than you are. What's worse, though, is that you haven't been talking about people in these places 'breaking the law' at all -- you've been dumping on the women who work at such places and calling them hookers. If you TRULY want to talk about 'right and wrong', start with your own wrongs and go from there.

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All readers back on topic please.

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Readers, plesse keep the discussion civil.

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We have similar caffes, we call them "Football caffes",where men gather to drink coffee, chat, read newspapers, play cards. The waitresses are dressed just like in Japan-modestly,and only take orders, serve coffee, cola, and beer from the afternoon. Men like going there, because they like the relaxing athmosphere, delicious coffee and the chance to chat with others over the news or football results. They don't go because of the waitresses or the games, or any gamble, but just for the communication. Can't these Vietnamese just chat about news, life, sports and whatever in a caffe, in quiet and civilized manner?

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I like the thumbs up and down aspect of the JT site now by the way. Thanks for adding that. Seems like there are some records being made in the thumbs down department. :-)

Would be nice to see other pictures of cafes like this. I would think that they would prove that the majority of them are decent establishments.

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@ Steve@CPFC

I understand your way of thinking and you are not Wrong in the fact that you want people to have pride in themselves and their appearance.

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The article did not go through each cafe individually. The police appear to be randomly selecting places, and that ruins business for most of the very fine law abiding cafes.

By the way guys, I photo enhanced the image posted for this article. The girl in the back is quite cute too, wearing a tight pair of shorts, and a nice blouse.

Only in America and Japan can you find nice venues like these.

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We are God`s greatest gift to men Mr. Yubaru. Arigato.

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Mozoltov to the Cafes.

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You are always welcome. Looks like the taifu really messed up the beach we hit.

Anyway, I hope the Cafe girls stay safe and save a lot of money. This article was quite interesting.

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You are typical of the people who cannot see outside of the box

roflmao on this comment, steve as I see it you would have all these women wrapped up inside your little box. You do realize that you are calling a complete stranger sleazy, based upon one photograph I might add. And you are preaching that people like me can not see outside the box? Wow it doesnt get much better than that. Thanks for the early AM laugh!

Yubaru; Dressing in that atire in public for emloyment reasons in sleazy, it is hardly sophisticated.Some of the women are also naked. Sleazy?, indeed. Do i have a lot of nerve? No, just stating facts as ever.

You have no right to ask questions about private matters between myself and my good lady wife and i would politely ask that you do not do it again.

I have every right, along with any other poster here to ask any question I choose, it's your choice to answer or not, that question was rhetorical btw and if you would have read behind the lines you would intimately understand the meaning. You can not point fingers at someone else for which your wife may do for you as well.

You are hardly stating any facts btw, I would guess that you would call the women that are cheerleaders on any pro basketball or football team the same right? They dress similarly and perform in public for money right?

Respect for women comes from inside one's own heart and mind. I can look at a pretty woman, appreciate her looks, half naked or otherwise, and still respect her as well. That dude is being open minded and respectful of who they are as people.

If you can't do that then I suggest that you are looking at the world from inside a very small box with no holes in it.

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The good citizens have not been involved in illegal gambling at these cafes, nor have they seen nudity as the one place that had it, was shut down.

Smokey glass is fine, but see through glass from the inside to outside is better for window seats. That way you can watch the crowd while drinking tea, snacking on delicious Vietnamese cuisine, and not have people stopping by the window to see what is on your plate.

And god forbid if they see nudity. I would never let my boy friend ever ever see me strip down and take a shower, let alone climb in bed nude with him. It might make him go crazy like in those old Marijuana Movies when after taking one dubie hit and want to go out and rape and pillage.

No one should post birth dates nor marriage dates here. I hope mods remove that as it is more dangerous than any of these Wonderful Vietnamese Cafes. Nor Real Names :-)

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@chewitup

Betty Boop.

Thanks for that!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL

That's exactly what she looks like!

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It's a business. What's the big deal what anyone looks like or does?

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C'mon George Roper - I've heard Mildred likes a bit of the toy-boy action and has been known to frequent cafes with hot young beefcake...

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I would say about 90% of parents would not like it if their child worked in such a place (the extreme places with some nudity and who knows what). If u had a daughter, would u be happy with her working there??This no then translates to, yes, it is sleezy, and yes the world has gotten much much sleezier. Doesnt make it right though. I would visit these places if i were a single teenager/young adult. But not as a perverted husband/father.

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They most likely have a valid reason to allow themselves to be exploited like that. God given talent or looks?? LOL

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chewitup; I have no interest in religion. I wpuld like to see illegal activities ended of course and if that includes nudity that is of course good. he nudity to which you refer is not like in art class but sleazy strippers. People can do as they wish, but i am stating my opinion on how these places drag down teh area and encourage crime and as the article states there has been an increase in crime in that area.

My choice is to use my money on my family, be faithfull to my wife and not to drool over sleazy women. My main concern is for families and how these places can break up a marriage.

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I suggest some of you who bash me go down to thoes wonderfull cafes. Possibly you will get aressted during a raid, explain that to your wife and kids. These places are NOT respectable, why else would police be concentrating on the area due to high crime. If i want to go out, i will go to a decent place which is not operating in a criminal manner and there is a dress code.

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You sure about that, ribstick?

Catherine Kieu Becker, 48, who police say drugged her estranged husband, tied him to a bed, cut off his "ribstick" with a knife and threw it down a garbage disposal in her home in Garden Grove, Calif. (Garden Grove Police Dept. / AP)

Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Man-s-penis-cut-off-put-through-garbage-disposal-1462743.php#ixzz1SPppD8sQ

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As long as they can bring in business and be paid a decent wage so she can entertain people like you, then these cafes are great. Business is business.

Have you read the article AT ALL?????

Start with the title. It might give you a hint...

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And how do some Japanese women look without the copious amounts of make-up they wear ?

And how about Americans? Hmmmm....

Isn't that beside the point? We're talking (for whatever reason???) about Vietnamese girls....

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Ah, from this English usage once again, you have proved your point that you are not a Native English Speaker. Thanks for confirming.

Says you who posted this gem:

"Racy" at least for the cafe and picture posted should have not been used.

Is it a prerequisite to post here btw?

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goddog; It is up to you if you think it is ok to make money anyway you like. In your other incarnation "ihavegreatlegs" you said the other day "business is business". Sorry, i prefer to run an ethical business with family values.

Very sad this culture of thinking money will make you happy, do anything ofr money like this sleazy women. I know people from poverty line to millionaires and many of the poorest have the happiest lives.

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sfjp330; I am not claiming anything. the increased crime is reported in the article by the police.hese places are out of control with illegal nudity, gambling and increased crime. he Officer even mentions the type of clients that visit. these aren't decent family places, they are hotbeds of crime for sleazeballs. Why should innocent members of the public pay so men can drool over women and engage in illegal activites? BTW, did you rad the article the police are increasing patrols and taking cation. It is a problem, part of abigger problem of society.

Cultural diversity is one thing, criminal activity is another. When a crimes are committed there are victims.

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And Vietnamese women are sexy...

Really? The one in the picture has a rather big head and wide face, if you ask me.

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You should ask your friend how much he pays the yaks every month.

My point is, those places are all connected to organized crime.

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sfjp; If they are good citizend then why are they partaking in illegal gambling and visiting places with illegal nudity adn if they are mostly "good citizens" then why is crime rising and the police taking action? Please try to remain civil.

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sfjp330; if that is the case and your belief then i think you should take issue with JT. I am only commenting on teh article and the comments of a senior police officer.

There was a poster who recently stated that he is from Vietnam and it is considered ok to get paid under the table and not pay to the IRS. There may be a problem with a section of that community that needs to be resolved. You may see that i have not criticised anyone due to their country of origin.

I do think though that if there is not a problem in teh area why does it justify an article like this and comments from the police.

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Hopefully in my lifetime mankind will return to being more civilised and placed like this will be no more.

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ihavegreatlegs; Please stop the insults and presumptions about me.

The fact that i think explotation of women, men wanting to go to a place to be served by them nude or nearly nude with illegal gambling is wrong but some here consider that i am in the Dark Ages.Some of you should consider what kind of husband a decent woman wants. A man who wouldn't dream of going to a dive like that or one who goes around looking at women as sex objects and spending the family money in that manner.

I ask who has slack of resepct for women? Who lives in teh Dark Ages?

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Readers, please focus your comments on the story, not at each other.

CultureChange; There is illegal activity occuring in these places, that is why the police are cleaning up the area. Now, i am all for stopping illegal activitis especially ones like gambling and naked women parading around for male chauvanist pigs. I don't like the idea of people working there, i don't like the idea of men going there,especially those married.

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Readers, once again we ask you all to focus your comments on the topic and not at each other.

sfjp330; Parts of my business have involved trading in cash and cheque payments which are always recorded and shown to authourites by myself.

I am concerned about lawbreaking. If some do, they should all be prosecuted, this article is referring to certain cafes not businesses as a whole. It is not just tax scamming but illegal gambling, not making the venues visible from outside and illegal nudity. If businesess cannot run by obeying the law they should be closed down.;

What's wrong with a normal cafe where the staff dress decently?

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BoratLikeBarry; I think bars that cater for women are equally awful. I would consider that sufficient grounds for divorce and custody of children if there are any. Why do these places exist? why are people throwing their money at sleazy dives which more often than not have links to organised crime.

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goddog; the police want to end the increasing crime from these joints. The article does not mention any religous groups against the cafes. While Hooters does treat women like sex objects as far as i know they do not allow illegal activities in their stores. Hooters is the type of place that can be avoided by those who against women being used as sex objects. The cafes are actually involved with srime which the article says is increasing. Public safety and enforcing the law is the priority of the police.

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She's OK Hippo

Nah... Not my taste... Waaaaaay too much make-up on (how will she look without?) and thighs of a pro-wrestler IMHO.

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sfjp330; I have not made any suggestion that they are breaking the laws by the way the women dress. Please read my previous posts and you will see that i have never said that, As a happily married man i could not understand why a grown man would want to visit such a place. Possibly i would have gone to something similar in my teens and out with the lads on the beers. Thing is i grew up. why would i want to look at these women, i am happy with my married life. These kind of places give men a bad name to women. They view us as shallow and sleazy due to this kind of thing.

I could also see and expect a woman to consider divorce if her husband was found to have visited a place like that. How could she trust him if he shows he is interested in such things.

Thing is, i am all for resepcting the woman and treating her well and her family with respect at all times. That is my duty as a husband that i undertook from the moment i took my vows. Some of you men may be surprised about what woemn think about men who go these kinds of places. You want to be treated seriously by a woman, treat them with respect, don't drool over scantily dressed women in place like these.

As for awimwear, what a ridiculous comment to make, Swimwear is practical, that clothing is hardly practical for serving customers, it is just to excite sad men who should know better.

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BoratLikeBarry; The fact i may have gone if drunk with a bunch of friends when still a teen and now i would not consider shows that i grew up and understood what these places are all about. I think most here have partners or wives and some kids yet they think these places are great and drool over women dressing in poor taste. I don't care if some men go there, i feel sorry for their wives and kids who are going without while the "man about the house" acts like a juvenile. Also many of these place indulge in criminal behaviour.

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The problem is that in modern times we have seen a rise in these types of places and this sleazy culture even starts becoming mainstream. At the same time we have more broken families than ever and how many families are broken because fathers frequent these types of places. The places are of course a hotbed of crime, it is unlikely that decent hardworking men would dream of going to a place like that. As the article says many of these places are breaking the law, so if the owners are criminals who knows what devilish behaviour they allow in those places.

I wouldbe far happier sitting at home and seeing my wife serve me my tea or coffee and enjoying her company tahn paying high prices in a seedy joint being served by a scantily dressed hussy. I think most will find most REAL men feel the same.

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sfjp330; These places have been scamming the taxpayers by avoiding taxes and illegally having nude girls serve.That aint culture it is lawbreaking. If they comply they can stay open and have no fear of the police.

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Ihavegreatlegs; Yes business is business and morals are moral. You can decide that it is ok to make money in an immoral way with illegal gambling and exploiting women or you can be ethical and moral and still be a success. I run my business with high moral standards and my customer feedback suggests they feel the same. I actually do speak the truth here about my business and myself even if it is unpopular with some. I would not criticise the place if i did not consider it a bad thing.

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Yubaru; Yeah i read" wife beater". and how i make women behave. his poster is not a woman it is another poster who has multiple accounts and has been name calling me and getting more abusive almost daily. You won't see most of his posts becaus ethey get removed, but he is a troll trying to promote his cxhildish blog.

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Foxie; The type of women who would want to see men dressed scantily in a cafe are not worth knowing. Women, the fairer sex? Seems like some women who have criticised preverted men who see women as sex objects think it is ok for them to ogle men. Progress? hardly, just lowering of standards and morals.

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smithinjapan; I have laid as much blame at the men who want to go to those places and that is a fact. I have mentioned the illegal gambling and nudity. I stated facts as ever with my opinions. I made clear that i think badly of both men and women at those place. i stated that very clearly indeed.

People stop bashing me because of my progressive views, show some tolerance to different views without personal attacks and abuse,. he bashing is from some posters is getting out of hand and lowering the tone.

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smithinjapan; Right i was living in the 1950's now i have travelled back to Victorian times. Next i will be from the Middle Ages, beyond belief!!!

These places are involved in illegal activities and people don't seem to care. Don't people know right from wrong anymore?

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ihavefatlegs; I have never posted that women should be barefoot in the kitchen, making me cup cakes and coffee or washing my socks. Please stop lying when referring to my posts.

What would happen if these womens mothers friends saw these photos? The mother would be bansihed from coffee mornings and the locla knitting circle. These women are nothing better than hookers.

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Yubaru; No i have never been to Hooters. If i go out to eat it is for the food not to leer at and dribble over scantily clad women like people here seem to think fine.

Wonder how many of you would feel the same if the woman was your wife, girlfriend or daughter.

These places attract vermin, lawbreakers who threaten public safety. Real men don't need to drool over women like dressed like this.

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Yubaru; What on earth are you talking about? I have no religous beliefs at all.

If you read the article you would see that they are doing wrong. Some places have actual nudity and have illegal gamblige, so that is prudish!!!! Of course one appreciates a womans beauty but they need not dress like a cheap tart to look good, that is low class.

If men show women respect they will have it returned with loyalty, a spotless house and delicous meals.Women who do these types of jobs and dress in this vulgar fashion have low self esteem and low morals. These types of women will not make good wives unless a good man can show her a better way to behave and improve her.

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ribstick; Actually this is filth and i hope men can be real men and enjoy women as people not objects. What would these sleazy grubby little men do if their wives discovered their activities and filed for divorce?

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This is appalling. I guess the resident sexists will drool over the photo and wish they could go to similar cafe. The men who are probably married shoudl be ashamed of themselves. The women should be dressed decently and should also be ashamed of themselves.

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