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God and guns often go together in U.S. history

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I prefer to live without props. The world is worse for guns and religion, someone who needs both is broken.

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Senate candidate Josh Mandel of Ohio, who called himself “pro-God, guns and Trump,”

What a nut! Wrong on three counts.

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So let me see if I have this right. Christians are told to “turn the other cheek” but they actually support gun ownership more than other Americans - despite living in a “divinely inspired” country and having the most powerful force in the universe, God, on their side.

So either they don’t really believe in god existing and need to hedge their bets, or they just don’t follow the Bible, which means they are not true Christians.

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In 246 years how many have died from guns?

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Americans who tend to believe in god and guns don’t seem too keen on anyone except white christians believing in god and guns.

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My grandfather was an only son, as was my father, as am I, and as is my son. We're all casually Christian. If we'd gone with a gun, likely our lineage would have been lost.

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I'm not sure you can conclude that there is one reason why "God and guns" and Evangelical Christians have been so mutually aligned over history....the reasons may vary over time...

What is clear now is that "God and guns" is directly related to "low education, lack of self-esteem, ease of manipulation, and feelings of powerlessness"....

As opposed to legitimate firearms enthusiasts, the far-right in the US worship their guns today because it gives their meager lives their only sense of power...

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For these people, God is the ultimate power, not the state. The guns are the only way to prevent the state from demanding that people accept that the state is the final arbiter of morality. That being said- don’t own a gun ,don’t want one-don’t like them

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One issue in particular sparked a question from a South Asian Christian student: Why did American evangelicals seem to have such an affinity for firearms? For example, Pew Research indicates 41% of white evangelicals own a firearm, compared with 30% of people in the U.S. overall. This unsettled the student, since they shared much of the same theology, and they wanted to know more about this connection.

Warped thinking. Abortions? The Bible says you shouldn't take a life. They hate the government, especially if it's a freely elected Democratic one, controlling them but think a woman has no right to control what she does with her body. Guns? Individuals have a right to bear arms and kill whenever they see fit. Well, the "right" individuals do and according to them, it's a God-given right. Try to take my guns and I'll kill you.

Many other types of Christianity do not embrace firearms, either. For example, Pew Research found that only 52% of Black Protestants have fired a gun, compared with a 72% average among all Americans.

Shh! You know people won't believe this. All Blacks, Protestant or not, have shot guns.

Yet from the time of the Puritans onward, many Christians have viewed America as a divinely inspired nation – an idea that often served to sanction violence, whether in a war for Indigenous lands, defending slavery or leading a revolt.

The government broke every treaty they made with the indigenous peoples, pushed them out and killed them off. The "Bible Belt" folks are descendants of people who fought to keep slavery and segregation, and quoted the Bible while burning crosses and lynching black people.

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Christian cowboys and guns.

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I don't believe in God or guns.

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I was raised around guns, my entire family grew up and became enthusiast guns and being from military factories, and always going to the shooting range or into the desert, I have always loved and respected guns, my entire family as well, I do believe in a higher power, but it has nothing to do been with guns, I’m just feel happy and blessed to be an American and proud that we have a second amendment and the right to own and use a fire arm.

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So let me see if I have this right. Christians are told to “turn the other cheek” but they actually support gun ownership more than other Americans

Incorrect. Evangelicals, not all Christians. Since the job of evangelicals is to part other people from their money and give them nothing but sermons in return, they probably get called out more often for being fake and shysters, necessitating them having the ability to defend themselves from very angry people.

Research indicates 41% of white evangelicals own a firearm, compared with 30% of people in the U.S. overall.

There is no actual link in America between god and guns. They seem to remain locked in part in 17th-19th centuries where every man had a gun from boyhood. Most nations have some belief that god is on their side etc. Americans just dont trust people, are able to go from calm to suicidal in under a second, and think guns are the answer to many things in life.

America has much going for it but is anchored down in the past when it comes to private gun ownership. America the paradox, it has the best and the worst with everything in between, all in the one package.

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I’m just feel happy and blessed to be an American and proud that we have a second amendment and the right to own and use a fire arm.

But you choose to live in Japan, where nobody feels the need to win a ‘fire arm’.

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There is no ‘right’ to own a gun in the US. Not every US citizen is permitted to own a gun, so it is not a ‘right’.

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But you choose to live in Japan,

I have two homes. So when I’m in the states, I enjoy my guns when I’m in Japan, I enjoy my knives.

There is no ‘right’ to own a gun in the US. Not every US citizen is permitted to own a gun, so it is not a ‘right’.

it is under the second amendment, it is absolutely my right as an American citizen to own a gun, no one can stop me other than me having a criminal record, or if I have a mental disability, but I do have the right to own one and I exercise and use that right unapologetically.

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There is no ‘right’ to own a gun in the US. Not every US citizen is permitted to own a gun, so it is not a ‘right’.

it is under the second amendment, it is absolutely my right as an American citizen to own a gun, no one can stop me other than me having a criminal record, or if I have a mental disability, but I do have the right to own one and I exercise and use that right unapologetically.

You didn’t read what I said. I’m not talking about you.

The second amendment does not apply to all American citizens because not all American citizens are permitted to have a gun. Therefore it is not a right.

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Bob FosseToday  02:47 pm JST

There is no ‘right’ to own a gun in the US. Not every US citizen is permitted to own a gun, so it is not a ‘right’.

It's kind of like there are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment being one of them. So, yes, it is a right.

Tally ho!

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when I’m in Japan, I enjoy my knives.

What do you mean you ‘enjoy knives’?

You know hunting and knife carrying are both strictly regulated here.

Do you polish them? Keep them in a nice case?

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It's kind of like there are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment being one of them. So, yes, it is a right.

Tally ho!

Oh. So what’s all this ‘illegal gun possession’ nonsense? Surely every US citizen has a constitutionally protected right? Gangbangers rejoice! You have a watertight defense! /s

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Knives in Japan are also controlled.

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If every American citizen has the right to own a gun, regardless then there is no such thing as illegal guns.

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The second amendment does not apply to all American citizens because not all American citizens are permitted to have a gun. Therefore it is not a right.

Well, that’s your interpretation. You are always allowed as an American citizen to purchase a firearm unless you don’t need to follow acquirements, but as a rule, in as a citizen, you are definitely allowed to own a firearm.

Knives in Japan are also controlled.

But you can have certain styles.

What do you mean you ‘enjoy knives’? 

You don’t understand the meaning?

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Well, that’s your interpretation. You are always allowed as an American citizen to purchase a firearm unless you don’t need to follow acquirements, but as a rule, in as a citizen, you are definitely allowed to own a firearm.

No. That’s the law. In every state.

Can every US citizen own a gun? No.

Therefore the Second Amendment does not apply to all US citizens. Thus it is not a right.

What do you mean you ‘enjoy knives’? 

You don’t understand the meaning?

No, I do not. Hence the question which you avoided answering.

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No. That’s the law. In every state. 

Can every US citizen own a gun? No.

No, but as an American you have the legal right.

Therefore the Second Amendment does not apply to all US citizens. Thus it is not a right. 

It is an absolute right.

> No, I do not.

I figured as much.

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America has become gun violence. God won't protect them.

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Therefore the Second Amendment does not apply to all US citizens. Thus it is not a right. 

It is an absolute right.

No. It. Is. Not.

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Is the second amendment an absolute right?

Seems not.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/second-amendment-does-not-guarantee-right-own-gun-gun-control-p-99

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No. It. Is. Not.

Yes, it is.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/sovereignty-101-why-second-amendment-absolute-short-version

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Bob FosseToday  02:56 pm JST

The second amendment does not apply to all American citizens because not all American citizens are permitted to have a gun. Therefore it is not a right.

The Second Amendment does apply to American citizens.

If certain American citizens are not permitted to have a gun it is because of a State law or some other mechanism that does does violate the Second Amendment.

The Constitution illustrates the 10 Amendments contained in the Bill of Rights. There is no Bill of Rights Tht Might Only Apply to Certain Americans.

The Supreme Court also says the Second Amendment is a right.

lincolnmanToday  04:39 pm JST

Hardly. Can an 8 year old buy a firearm? Can an adult buy a fully automatic weapon? Does Dicks sell RPGs?

Firearms are widely regulated - nothing absolute about it...

It is absolute that the Supreme Court says those prohibitions do not violate the Second Amendment, so no right is violated.

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Hardly. Can an 8 year old buy a firearm? Can an adult buy a fully automatic weapon? Does Dicks sell RPGs?

Firearms are widely regulated - nothing absolute about it...

It is absolute that the Supreme Court says those prohibitions do not violate the Second Amendment, so no right is violated.

I didn't say a right was violated - you did. I said the right to "bear arms" is not absolute, as evidenced by the many federal and state regulations that limit firearms purchases and ownership....

Once again, how can it be absolute when fully automatic weapon possession is prohibited?

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lincolnmanToday  05:47 pm JST

I didn't say a right was violated - you did.

Yes, I did. You did not. Because I am using language the Supreme Court used.

I said the right to "bear arms" is not absolute, as evidenced by the many federal and state regulations that limit firearms purchases and ownership....

Sure--you said that. Regardless, the Second Amendment is a right. According to the Constitution and the Supreme Court.

Once again, how can it be absolute when fully automatic weapon possession is prohibited?

What is "it"?

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