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Abortion foes downplay complex post-Roe v Wade realities
By AMANDA SEITZ and JOSH KELETY WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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nishikat
Yes and that is why I choose to keep living in Japan where abortions are 100% legal, no one really cares about it, and in some cases are paid for with public funds. Trump people want to save the fetuses but then want open gun laws that allow all those children to be killed. Japan has neither issue and Trump people still choose to live in a pro abortion and anti gun country.
America? Sayonara. It's party time in Japan.
GBR48
Catholic abortion law is similar to Islamic Sharia law. If you don't agree with it, get out when it is implemented. Plenty of people regret not getting out of Afghanistan and Hong Kong when they could have done, more easily than they can now. Don't remain in a coathanger state and end up regretting it, if more restrictions and surveillance are brought in to stop out-of-state 'medical tourism' or monitor healthcare staff. Get out whilst you can. There are lots of job vacancies across America. It is a good time to move, particularly to an area that may be less badly hit by climate change extremes.
nishikat
"We need to be the party of nationalism and I'm a Christian, and I say it proudly, we should be Christian nationalists,"
(Marjorie Taylor Greene)
I'm staying in Japan. The US is crazy. Trump is going to run for the Trump party again.
theResident
@painkiller: Listen to you! It's 2022. What are you scared of? 61% of the country support abortion under sensible time limits/conditions. Sure - its not in the Constitution (and no one is asking it to be), so why is not on every ballot paper in every state at the same time as the mid terms? Surely that is democracy over what is such an important issue.
You KNOW that most Republican States won;t even let if get to a vote!
How on earth is my view anarchistic?
theResident
@painkiller : You are winding us all up aren't you? Tell me these are not really your beliefs?
girl_in_tokyo
They're backpedaling like mad to avoid looking like the complete monsters they really are. They are only pretending to act decently, however. In cases that aren't so well-publicized, that is, for girls or women who won't have the means to get this kind of attention from the media, there will be no "exceptions" granted.
There was a case in TX recently where a woman who was unable to get an D&C to remove an already-dead fetus, because doctors were worried about being sued for potentially breaking the abortion ban. She was very very ill, and suffered greatly. She was lucky that the infection didn't spread as rapidly as can happen in such cases, or she would have died just like Savita Halappanavar, that woman in Ireland who died of sepsis in 2012 because of Ireland's abortion ban. I remember reading about her case at the time, and getting so very very angry, that something like that could happen in a modern country like Ireland. I can't believe the same thing is now happening in the so-called "land of the free".
Overturning Roe is going to seriously harm, and even kill, young girls and women. It's barbaric, and pure misogyny.
theResident
To summarise: @Painkiller sees NOTHING wrong with abortion being denied to anybody regardless of how they became pregnant. Raped. The act of Incest. Ectopic Pregnancy. Unviable Fetus. Abuse, Failed Contraception.
Just brush it all over and let the States decide if they wish to give the vote to the people. Problem is, most of the red states won't give the people the vote....thats pretty much a fact.
I note that Kansas IS giving people the vote however, cleverly wording the ballot paper that voting 'Yes' would in fact be banning abortion. More skulduggery by over 70 white Catholic males.
girl_in_tokyo
The problem is a supreme court full of misogynists who decided to legislate their personal religious beliefs and overturn the true will of the people.
Get ready for more achingly young incest victims and rape victims becoming mothers, and women dying in hospital of sepsis.
And did you know that many states allow the rapist to sue for custody of their child? Oh yes - so not only will we have 10 year old rape victims forced into motherhood, but they will also be tied legally to their rapist for the rest of their life. And don't say it won't happen, or that it's hyperbolic - it has already happened, and will happen again - and again.
These men simply hate women, and that is all there is to it.
I urge women with US citizenship to never, ever date or have sex with a Republican man. Ever. And if you're already dating or married to one, DTMFA.
theResident
You're damn right I'm scared for women who have been raped, forced into incestuous relationships, been forced into prostitution (in many cases because they already have one child they can't support), woman who can't afford contraception because their backward thinking 'State' representatives won't even consider free condoms / CPs to be distributed or the Morning after pill being easily available -
In most of the free world, this isn't even a question. With these readily available alternatives to unwanted pregnancy the amount of women seeking abortion would significantly decline.
But your answer is to just 'stop having sex' if you cant deal with the consequences?
You are indeed living in the 19th century.
nishikat
It sounds like Ted Haggard talking
nishikat
Abortion is a wedge issue like prohibition. The Jesus freaks have too much power now. Not in Japan thank God.
theResident
painkiller : You avoid the question over and over again... What are the chances of this actually making this choice available on your 'protected voting process'?
wallace
painkiller
The current situation in the USA over its abortion bans and bible-bashing republican white male evangelicals has nothing to do with the UK where abortion is allowed.
The post is about the USA, not the UK.
girl_in_tokyo
bass4funkToday 04:30 am JST
Then you value a life that hasn't begun yet over one that has. And think you should be able to make that decision for the person whose life is at risk.
You only think I did. Others reading this feel that you do not value the lives of girls and women and reject that view.
albaleo
@girl_in_tokyo
It's perhaps interesting that Ireland has since legalised abortion. It seems to have moved in the opposite direction to the "land of the free".
Oh well, I guess they can issue guns to all ten-year-old girls to help prevent rape. (Sarcasm in case there are some out there who support the idea.)
nishikat
Where does it say "shall not be infringed" for fetuses?
wallace
The post photo speaks a million words.
painkiller
RedstormToday 03:13 pm JST
Not words of wisdom, just words of fact.
As I mentioned twice above, it is a very basic aspect of the US:
-It is up to the States to provide legislation to clarify any unclear aspects of current laws, if such do exist.
-Now, it is up to the Staes and the non-Y'all Qaeda and non-Vanilla Isis members to get out and vote if they have a problem with the current laws. It's in the hands of those whose contraception might fail too.
painkiller
nishikatToday 07:53 pm JST
Didn't a former PM get assassinated here because of the influence of Jesus freaks on him?
painkiller
theResidentToday 07:58 pm JST
The approximately 1% of those having abortions. And what about those who lie about being raped?
How is this relevant to US laws?
Here is the answer again: use the Constitutionally protected voting process.
Roe v. Wade was decided in 2022. Which century us that?
painkiller
nishikatToday 08:03 pm JST
Sounds like the religious influence on political leaders is much stronger in Japan than America.
Yes, well, the fact is, the highest court in the land made a decision that affects all the people. Anyone who is not a geriatric white Trump Fox person can use the democratic process to try and make the changes they want. No one is holding them back except themselves.
I guess this issue doesn't mean that much to them.
painkiller
wallaceToday 11:02 pm JST
This is a holdover from the UK.
bass4funk
Abortion does that already, not to mention it kills the fetus.
You just made my point for me.
painkiller
Fear and LoathingToday 02:44 pm JST
A racially diverse Supreme Court realized the errors in the original Roe v. Wade.
Now, it is up to the Staes and the non-Y'all Qaeda and non-Vanilla Isis members to get out and vote if they have a problem with the current laws. It's in the hands of those whose contraception might fail too.
painkiller
RedstormToday 03:20 pm JST
That's a different question.
First, people in those States have the write to try and have legislation allow abortions under such conditions. That's the way the system is; it's not my opinion.
Second, I don't know what to expect; that is a separate issue that needs to be addressed by legislators and voters. The Constitution allows the voters a large range of rights to express.
Living in a free country has its advantages.
painkiller
RedstormToday 03:27 pm JST
Factually speaking, this is not the case in every State in America.
Like it or not.
painkiller
RedstormToday 03:32 pm JST
Equal rights are afforded for males and females in the US under federal and state laws.
That's your opinion.
Is it a fact that is how pregnancies occur except for the 1% or so due to rape and incest?
If you have a different theory on how those pregnancies occur, I'm all ears.
painkiller
theResidentToday 06:04 pm JST
Sounds like I'm not the one scared. I'm all for following the laws of the land and allowing the States to decide this matter. You're opposed to this?
The question is, if 61% of the country actually support abortion as you detailed, why don't they put that question on the ballot?
A select portion of the population's opinion in an unregulated poll is more democratic than voting on the issue?
So, then you understand how the democratic system works, but you disagree when something doesn't go your way.
You want to impose your opinion over the legal process of passing or enforcing laws.
girl_in_tokyoToday 06:14 pm JST
Darn female misogynistic Supreme Justices!
RedstormToday 06:53 pm JST
Racist remarks mixed with irrelevant diatribe.
Why don'T you get out and vote, or get people to vote on the issue in your home state?
painkiller
RedstormToday 08:28 pm JST
We'll see. And someone making a false claim of rape is not the victim. You do understand that?
RedstormToday 08:55 pm JST
The law says that.
theResidentToday 09:13 pm JST
Pretty darn good-in fact, it has already happened in several states.
painkiller
theResidentToday 04:49 pm JST
The Constitution does not allow any brushing over of the people's rights to vote for a State's law: not the other way around. If you have an issue with that, write your Congressman (if you are a US citizen).
The real problem is with people who disagree with the rights inherent in the Constitution when it goes against their beliefs.
Thankfully, America survives as a democracy despite such anarchist view.
painkiller
Abortion foes downplay complex post-Roe v Wade realities
This is the reasonable way to address this issue, now that the Supreme Court decided terminating a fetus is not a Constitutional right, as opposed to hyperbolizing rare, potential scenarios.
It is up to the States to provide legislation to clarify any unclear aspects of current laws, if such do exist.
Nothing out of the ordinary.
This is probably a good time for people to start re-evaluating their behavior that might lead to unwanted pregnancies.