How accurate are China's COVID-19 death numbers?

All official Chinese data is taken with several sackfuls of salt.

quote: CAN CHINA'S COVID DATA BE TRUSTED?

Answer: NO. Dictatorship data is never reliable. It is designed to serve the agenda of Glorious Leaders, so it indicates political sentiment, not reality. But the stated mechanism may be more useful and valid than that used by the UK throughout the pandemic, which simply included everyone who died (of anything) and had tested positive for Covid in the previous month.

"To say you're going to ignore anything else going on in the body makes no sense and is scientifically inaccurate."

Then again the purpose of the definition is not to be scientifically or medically accurate, but to put the CCP in the best possible light even when the situation is an ongoing disaster, same as with many other things.

In some countries, any death within 28 days of a positive test was automatically deemed a Covid death, even skiing accidents.

Countries that have used this simplistic method only did it for the real-time daily reporting of cases and deaths, precisely because it is imprecise but terribly easy to do. But actual numbers that direct the measures (in the weekly and monthly reports) do not need to be counted so fast so they can actually include only those where covid is a contributing factor. There is no problem with overcounting on a daily basis just to get a grasp on the situation, precise numbers can be collected and reported more sporadically.

BTW, hospitals get paid more if the death is classified as a Covid death which incentivizes them to simply blame Covid for everything.

Any source where this is proved to be a significant problem in general? because most places have enough controls to make this impossible to be a general occurence enough to be of epidemiological importance.

*Well are they saying they died of covid or with covid though?*

The former is obviously the more accurate classification.

Not so simple, dying with covid can still need to be counted as long as the infection contributes to that death, if not malnutrition for example would not be a problem anywhere since the vast majority of the victims of it die from another primary cause and "only" with malnutrition.

Nice opinion piece.

And how accurate are any other countries' numbers? Those are disputed too, so in comparison with China, it all balances out.

And China statistically has a lower Covid infection and death rate that any other country.

Australia and New Zealand for example, got blasted by infections and deaths when they stopped their zero covid strategy, but China has not even reached close to those rates.

Well done China.

And how accurate are any other countries' numbers? Those are disputed too, so in comparison with China, it all balances out.

What evidence do you have that other countries numbers are falsified in a similar degree of what is happening in China? that claim needs to be supported by evidence, it is not the same to have a reasonable inexactitude in the reporting than a systematic hiding of deaths even when they would be recognized as covid deaths in any developed world country.

but China has not even reached close to those rates.

How do you know? the whole point is that China is not reporting their cases and deaths, and analysis from experts have pointed out literally thousands of daily deaths are being hidden.

What evidence do you have that other countries numbers are falsified in a similar degree of what is happening in China? that claim needs to be supported by evidence, it is not the same to have a reasonable inexactitude in the reporting than a systematic hiding 

What evidence do you have that other China's numbers are falsified? that claim needs to be supported by evidence. And so much has been published here about how other countries' numbers are not accurate.

How do you know? the whole point is that China is not reporting their cases and deaths, and analysis from experts have pointed out literally thousands of daily deaths are being hidden.

Oh, you acknowledge I know, and you just want to know the manner in which I garnered such information.

Well, it is just based on actually having been in Chins, cursory reading of news related to the topic over the years, which included government statistics and so forth.

A better question is, how do you not know?

How accurate are any country's Covid-19 deaths?

The CCP will never allow numbers to be published that are embarrassing for the ruling party, or that show the CCP is unable to deal with this or any issue. That much is evident to anyone with a brain. The Chinese people must always view the CCP in the best possible light even if the truth has been replaced with fantasy. Bearing that underlying fact in mind, any figures provided by CCP spokespeople will not be the whole truth, but a shielded version to limit damage to CCP image.

Highest daily death rate. More than 5,000. Bodies stuffed into containers with morgues full.

The Chinese covid death rate is far higher than in the UK and millions have died from covid and prison-like lockins for three years.

What evidence do you have that other China's numbers are falsified?

This article deals precisely with it, how the CCP is modifying the case and fatality definitions to avoid including as many cases as they possibly can thus making the numbers unaccurate and completely unreliable.

Oh, you acknowledge I know, and you just want to know the manner in which I garnered such information.

On the opposite, I am proving nobody has access to that information thanks to the Chinese government refusal to publish it, meaning that your claim is baseless, once again, this article talks precisly about how nobody can make the claim you make validly, because the information to do it is not made available, not in the news, not in the government statistics.

About as accurate as in 1958 rural collectivization when the Chinese press "reported" per-mu rice yield to be more than 100,000 catties. Note: a mu is less than an acre, and a catty is more than a pound. And three years later China went through the worst famine in human history, which killed 43 million people, a third of the current population of Japan. The death number was leaked some 40 years later. That's how accurate Chinese numbers are.

How accurate are China's COVID-19 death numbers?

Painkiller has been believing and quoting China's numbers exactly as they have reported them, with full trust.

So if you ask him, they are totally, entirely, and completely believable.

Meanwhile the rest of us live in the real world.

Who cares if the government statistics show that there are one thousand or one million deaths related to the Covid virus when your population (China) is over a billion people and the world is at roughly 8 billion people.