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Why Trump's tough-on-crime message is not breaking through in suburban America

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By Tim Reid

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s President Donald Trump's support in the U.S. suburbs erodes amid concerns about his handling of the coronavirus pandemic,

Most Americans who voted in 2016 did not vote for Trump; most Americans today recognize he's been a failed 'wartime president', not only suburban Americans.

Most Americans probably also think Trump's sending heavily armed troops to attack peaceful demonstrators so he could have a photo-op of him holding a bible was way over the top.

Many Americans probably also do NOT want to see heavily armed special federal forces attacking US citizens.

Most Americans probably also think Trump's pardoning of convicted felon Roger Stone was something a banana republic dictator whose motto is 'for my friends everything , for my enemies the law' would do.

Most Americans are also aware of the allegations of Trump's criminal involvements throughout his life.

Most Americans probably want some variation of 'law and order' programs, but would prefer to have those programs led by someone who's honest and has a history of being law abiding.

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they said the same thing with Clinton, The silent majority I think will vote for Trump not because they like him but the other alternative is worse.

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As with most elections, it is a combination of issues that will influence the final result. Crime is only one. People who say they know the American voter really don’t.

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Racism is the main factor.

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Trump, who trails Biden in national polls,

"There is no way Trump can win the election unless he turns around his numbers on the handling of COVID."

Voter, about to cast his/her ballot:

Lessee....

I can vote for this third party candidate who has no chance to win...

I can vote for Joe Biden, who, in 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president didn't do squat for the American people and now has dementia...

I can vote for Donald Trump, who despite all the opposition from the Democrats including Barack Obama, the media and the RINOS, got taxes cut for everyone and the economy roaring, is making progress on strengthening the southern border which even the Democrats had said was necessary until Trump brought it up, had the world's top two terrorists taken out, hasn't started any new wars and is making progress on getting U.S. troops out of Afghanistan and the Middle East, is getting NATO members to pay more of their fair share, negotiated a better trade deal to replace the awful NAFTA...

Donald Trump it is!

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How does one take a tough-on-crime message seriously from a man who is himself awaiting criminal trial as soon as he is out of the White House?

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How does one take a tough-on-crime message seriously from a man who is himself awaiting criminal trial as soon as he is out of the White House?

What crimes has Trump committed? Be specific.

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From deploying federal agents to confront protesters

As Congressman Nadler says “Violence? What violence?” Federal agents were deployed to protect federal property from violent attacks by anarchists & kindred spirits, not against protesters.

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As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." The polls show that Americans have for the most part learned their lesson, and do not want to be fooled again.

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The polls show that Americans have for the most part learned their lesson, and do not want to be fooled again.

The polls had Hillary ahead. Aside from nutty California Trump won the popular vote in the other 49 states combined.

How does one take a tough-on-crime message seriously from a man who is himself awaiting criminal trial as soon as he is out of the White House?

I guess we're not going to get that list of crimes that Trump has committed from 1glenn.

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they said the same thing with Clinton, The silent majority I think will vote for Trump not because they like him but the other alternative is worse.

Yes and being that we just witnessed weeks of rampage, anarchist destruction and violence, with many celebrities and Dem leaders on record telling us that dealing with white supremacy is more important that corona, some even chanting burn it all down and defund the police, I think the silents will remain with Trump. I dont agree with all Trump says/does, but there is no way, no amount of money, not anything that would convince me to ever vote for a Dem. The *(&% show they performed for us was epic.

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"What crimes has Trump committed? Be specific."

The Federal Attorney for the Southern District of New York has been sitting on indictments for campaign finance violations based on use of campaign money to pay off Stormy Danials and Karen McDougal to not say anything regarding their sexual relationships with Mr. Trump. There are also potential obstruction of justice indictments for asking the FBI director to drop the FBIs investigation into Michael Flynn, his firing the FBI director after refusing to do so. Later, two days after his attorney McGahn refused to fire Jeff Sessions for recusing himself from the Special Prosecutors investigation, Mr. Trump had Cory Lewandowsky hand deliver a letter to Jeff Sessions demanding he publicly state the S-Ps investigation was "very unfair" and would be limited to future foreign election interference. Mr. Sessions apparently refused to accept the letter. Keep in mine Mr. Lewandowski was not employed by the Federal government at any level, not a member of the Trump administration, but acting completely outside of the goverment. When Mr. Trump became aware of this he asked Rick Dearborn to deliver the letter but he declined to do so (wise man). Mr. Trump also demanded that McGahn publicly refute claims in the press that Mr. Trump tried to have the S-P fired. Since that was in fact the case McGahn refused to comply. There are ten specific incidents that are obstruction of justice. The only reason the President was not charged was Robert Mueller's belief that a sitting President could not be indicted. However if Mr. Trump loses the election the statutes of limitations will not have run out on any of these charges and the Federal Attorney for the Southern District of New York could drop indictments on all of these.

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"Yes and being that we just witnessed weeks of rampage, anarchist destruction and violence, with many celebrities and Dem leaders on record telling us that dealing with white supremacy is more important that corona, some even chanting burn it all down and defund the police, I think the silents will remain with Trump. I dont agree with all Trump says/does, but there is no way, no amount of money, not anything that would convince me to ever vote for a Dem. The *(&% show they performed for us was epic."

Clear majorities of Americans agree with the purpose of the demonstrators. The cold blooded killing of George Floyd and the fact that it was clearly recorded for all to see was a watershed moment. You may still be in denial but for most of us that video is a clear example of excessive police use of force. I have been in exactly George Floyd's position, with a cashier challenging a $20 I handed her claiming it was counterfeit. I just received it from an ATM. Nobody called the police on me. i went back to the bank, had them check it and it was not counterfeit. I ended up spending it somewhere else. But Mr. Floyd was black and the presumption was he was trying to pass off counterfeit bills. The police were called and he ended up dead. The fellow was cuffed and three cops were holding him. There was no excuse to kill him. This sort of thing happens daily to blacks. I just read of another incident where a black social worker was taking a white toddler from California to Arkansas for a court ordered visit with the toddler's birth father. The airline she was using accused her of kidnapping the child and physically detained her. They refused to look at her credentials, the child's birth certificate or the court order she had with her. No, instead they assumed a black woman with a white toddler had to be a kidnapper and detained her against her will. Just two examples but for blacks in this country this happens daily. What BLM and the protesters are fighting for is justice. It is no credit to you or the USA that so many still cannot see what is right before their eyes.

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Of course you must mean the lifetime criminal Mr. Floyd

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