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are American voters now ready for a Mormon president?

He's no more Mormon that Obama is a Christian.

That being said, dum dum dum dum dum dum dummm, dum dum dum dum dummmm.

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Mormons like other christians are jesus freaks right? so why would other christians object?

I get a kick out of the fact that christians pray to jesus who was a jewish rabbi.

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I guess that, much in the same way the languages we speak contain several "foreign" words, religion also mixes itself up. I did know Jesus was Jewish, I did not know he was a Rabbi. Think about the "Christmas tree" - where do you find any mention of one in the Bible? It's an old Scandinavian pagan custom. One important thing my parents taught us was to never discuss either religion or politics. I rest my case.

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"a Bloomberg News poll from March shows more than one in three Americans hold an unfavorable view of the Mormon church."

Thats because they have not lived in Utah or been to exposed to the church. I, on the other hand, have had the very painful experience of growing up behind the "Zion Curtain."

I think it was something like 1973 when the church officially gave up the idea that African Americans were the descendants of Cain and that their skin color was attributable to the biblical "Mark of Cain."

It was not that long ago that they stopped trying to excommunicate homosexuals.

And then there are all the other very backwards political ideas harbored by this church. Something their history is filled with. Like the 19th century change in polygamy and the slaughter of settlers passing through Utah by order of the church leadership.

Racism and religious intellerance were two key factors growing up in Utah. Job interviews that cannot legally ask you if you are Mormon, but get to the same point by asking if you live near a certain church branch or know a certain local church leader.

College kids threated to be cut off financially if he/she continues a relationship with a non-Mormon.

I can go on for pages and pages. Mormonism is not your usual bible thumping faith. They are product of the early 1800s evangelical and revivalist periods in American religion. If you read their "Doctrines and Covenants" book and the "Book of Mormon" you will quickly see the cult like aspects of this religion. And just ask how some of the local teens spend their weekends being "baptised for the dead."

It is an extremely conservative and strange faith. I admit I am not a fan of religion. But when looking at potentially dangerous ideas in religion, Mormonism still stands up there pretty high in my list of faiths to worry about.

And I would never consider living in Utah every again.

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@JapanGal,

My take on it is something like this. Mormons believe that the Mormon church is the only "trough and living" church. Mormons identifies them self as Christians, but the bible belt Christians disagree and say Mormons don't believe in the right kind of Jesus?

Personally I think the president should not be a member of any church and should preferably be atheist, have a strong belief in science and be a proficient puppeteer.

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correction. Ever Again.

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No.

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The real question is, are Americans ready for 4 more years of Obama?

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Serrano. To be fair. Your question should be.

"Are Americans ready for another four years of two parties who care more about obstructing each other than taking care of the working people in the country. "

Doesn't matter one bit which president is in office if congress is locked up and unable to move. Nor is there such a huge distinction between these two self interested parties from a working person's perspective. Both serve big business and only care about us to our ability to vote them in.

American governanance has been so polarized that it is hardly possible for them to agree on what planet the country is on. That is what you should be worried about another four years of.

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Religious delusions have no place in government.

It is sick an nauseating to think that religion has anyplace in the modern world we live in....

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Those that are ready are probably totally ignorant of Mormonism and Mormons. Extreme conformists are a scary lot and it does not help that a whole slew of their beliefs are even more preposterous than so many Christian ones.

I am just not sure that Romney is truly a Mormon. Even so, I am concerned that this will give other Mormons a window into the WH, as aides or whatever. I want them there only slightly more than I would want a Scientologist.

In addition to tkoind2s excellent list, I will add the secretive nature of the typical Mormon group.

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So much anger and ignorance toward a religion that for the most part none of you are remotely accurate about. Slew? Trough?? And are we supposed to be impressed with your uninformed slander when you can't spell? I especially enjoyed the accusations of being a cult, in the same context of racism. Hello, by accusing Mormons that you know nothing about of being cult members, you are going beyond racism. Zion Curtain? Lol. I've lived in 35 countries and Utah is a fun safe place. Try the Vatican if you want religious culture shock. To an outsider, Japan and other eastern religions look strange with people tying their wishes to trees and other objects, clapping hands and tossing money in a box, getting waived down by old ladies bearing incense wands to be more fertile or get a girlfriend, etc. Chances are, you all know Mormons who are nice normal people but you just don't know it. On the other hand, you've all shown your stupid and mean sides here by aimlessly bashing that which you know nothing about. Us Mormons will keep being Christian, and trying our best to help others like we believe. Not convinced at all by any of you haters that you know something better than we do.

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@Russ

Nothing wrong with "slew". Look it up.

"Us Mormons...." (instead of "We Mormons....") is a pretty glaring error, however.

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The church’s political neutrality is well established....

Hmm. Wikipedia notes:

ProtectMarriage, the official proponent of Proposition 8, estimates that about half the donations they received came from Mormon sources, and that LDS church members made up somewhere between 80% and 90% of the volunteers....

A "proper" religious background used to be of paramount importance to Republicans - until they found themselves with a nominee without one. And now, suddenly: Eh, whatever. Fortunately for him, a sizable population of Republicans find Mormonism less objectionable than the current President's "Muslim" faith.

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So much anger

The anger seems to be all yours Russ.

and ignorance

Its a state the Mormons themselves promote. What information I have mostly did not fall into my lap.

Chances are, you all know Mormons who are nice normal people

Nice? Yes. But a great many we run across are a little too nice to be considered normal. More like nice to the point of being suspicious and creepy.

Believe me, I am happy to let Mormons do their thing. But having a Mormon at the wheel gives me great pause. Its like saying a guy is a really nice, decent and intelligent person, good enough to be president, if you just take the fact that he thinks the Earth is flat with a grain of salt!

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Religion shouldn't be involved with politics. I do like his stance on gay marriage though.

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@Ted

His stance is based on his religion. How could it be otherwise?

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@Russ - Not convinced at all by any of you haters that you know something better than we do.

Russ I am not a hater of individuals. Only religion and how it hijacks the minds of normal people. It becomes a firewall of the brain and blocks free thinking, reason and rational thought.

I am very much against any form of religion tampering with politics that affects the lives of all people.

My view - Did god create many men in his image, or did men create many gods in their image??? Religious people are atheists towards all religions and gods other than their own. The only difference between free thinkers (like myself) and any religious person is that we choose to ignore just one more god/religion...

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the democrats and republicans are like religious groups in their own right.. and frankly, why does the religion of a US president even matter? Does the US plan to become a theocracy?

Religion should be a private matter and never ever mixed into federal politics

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Yep, noticed some other errors myself after posting via my iphone. Guilty, haha!

Angry? Sure I am. All of these people attacking me and my religion without knowing a thing about it. Reminds me of getting jumped weekly by gang members for being the wrong color of skin in the wrong place when I was a kid.

I live in Tokyo and will happily defend myself in person to any of you over a bite to eat, if you really want to know any real details about Mormons (nickname, real name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). My email is rusjohnson@yahoo.com. Otherwise, you can learn actual facts at www.lds.org.

I directly challenge any of you to contact me and meet in person, if you're interested in facts and a fair discussion.

Prop 8, etc - yes many members of the church independently support or fight against various political issues as they see fit. The church itself as an organization remains neutral without position. The idea is that people are all supposed to do their best and have room to screw up and learn, and also succeed and grow.

Ignorance- there is that silly accusation again. Would happily seek to understand why you think we are ignorant, in a meaningful discussion in person. Most of what you are describing though is out of fear- if Romney knows about the WH, so what? Because we'd steal ancient alien technology from Area 51 and build large tripods and invade the earth?

Too nice comment? LOL. I'll take that all day long :) I'd just say that believing what we do - i.e. everybody on earth are spiritual brothers and sisters, and that we can live together with our families after death - it gives us a bit more hope and reason to be positive. Also a reason to reach out to others who don't seem as happy.

In general, we believe God wants us all to be happy and do our best and fulfill our potential. Jesus's life and teachings are a great source of learning and example for anybody, even people who don't share our beliefs. You can find many similar positive teachings in Buddhism, Islam, etc.

My vote only goes to Romney because I think he's better equipped to help turn around our economy, although those problems stem from a prevalent attitude of entitlement by many fellow Americans. That is a whole other discussion.

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So where have we read this before? O YEAH!! "Is the U.S ready for a Catholic president? ( J.F.K ). Is the U.S ready for a black president? and so on.

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This is sad. Isnt there suppose to be a separation of church and state?

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The only difference between free thinkers (like myself) and any religious person is that we choose to ignore just one more god/religion...

The irony of this statement is that the logic behind your statement must mean that your not a "free-thinker". Anyone whom labels themselves as with a word that implies something i.e free-thinker, rationalist, empiricist, reason-oriented ect acts in opposition to what they supposedly represents. In your case you view Russ as a none-free thinker because he is most likely a Mormon and does follow your ways? If one follows the precepts of a holy book then that is a form of free-though. There is no other way to describe it. A book whether it be the Bible, Torah, Koran or the Communist manifesto does not force you to believe in certain things as a book is not a living being.

Of course by reading your words I think it's safe to assume that you read a lot of Dawkins and are repeating his logic word by word. So can you really label yourself a free-thinker if you require to repeat the argument of another individual without noticing the irony in it?

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I've known a few members of the Church of Latter-day Saints and frankly not one of them was a very nice person. I work with a Japanese Mormon here in Japan and she's a real pain in the teeth, insisting that the kitchen buy cocoa since she can't drink regular coffee or tea. She also mutters behind people's backs about people who drink coffee regularly (I average about 3 cups a day), and has even called me a "caffiene addict" to my face once. I eventually pointed out to her that cocoa also contains caffiene, as does the chocolate she eats... and she just ignored it because it didn't fit in with her narrow little world view and said that the Church allows cocoa. This is just one example, but all the Mormons I've known have been similarly intolerant and small-minded.

So while you might be a nice guy Ross (although the tone of your posts makes me doubt it), I have yet to meet a Mormon who turned out to be a decent person once I got to know them a little better.

... and judging by Romney's anti-gay, anti-women's rights, anti-public health, anti-progress, anti-humanity platform... well, he's shaping up to be pretty much what I've come to expect from Mormons, intolerant, small-minded, spiteful... and yet still baffled by why people don't seem to like him.

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Too nice comment? LOL. I'll take that all day long

Actually, I meant it as Frungy describes it. A facade. Suspiciously nice. I said that because I never got very deep and personal with a Mormon. I just observed the suspicious niceness of aquaintances. So I am not surprised by the comments of those who know them better. Mormons are certainly far from the only suspiciously nice people I have met. Basically my conclusion is that no human can maintain that level of niceness no matter their religion, and winds up compensating by being a real dick on the sly.

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In your case you view Russ as a none-free thinker because he is most likely a Mormon and does follow your ways?

Those who don religion like a straight jacket are clearly not free-thinkers. Most truly religious people aren't. Not all, but most.

I used to be an atheist. Now I know better. Now I am agnostic. But I still judge people by the things they believe that are just plain silly.

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Frungy,

I work with a Japanese Mormon here in Japan and she's a real pain in the teeth, insisting that the kitchen buy cocoa since she can't drink regular coffee or tea.

You should explain to her that cocoa has caffeine, too.

I think most people will forget Romney is a Mormon if they ever remembered in the first place. ie, I do not think that many people care.

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@lucabrasi

Doesn't change the fact that I like his stance on gay marriage, irregardless of what his stance is particularly based on. Religion isn't the only factor that makes one against gay marriage.

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Hey Mormons!! Why don't you ever speak to me? Lemme check my face....nothing in my teeth. My make up is okay.

Oh wait, could it be the color of my skin? Nooooooo. Lemme check my history books. What's this? Mormons didn't allow people of color priesthood? Yo, what's up with that?

What a minute. None of what I'm saying matters. Separation of church and state. Focus on the issues.

Tell, you what. I'll vote for the guy who pays his taxes like us regular folk who are part of the 99%.

Done deal.

Sorry Romney, you might even be a nice guy. But at the end of the day all I can remember is how many times Republicans said No to measures that would help owners and businesses get back on their feet.

America is NOT for sale and when I cast my vote it'll be for the candidate that loves America and it's people and has the needs of the people over political positioning.

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Religion should have no place or any influence with politics.

If this happens it will interfere with progress and It would be no different from many countries run by an Islamic goverment (since it is the same god) and look at the mess they are in.

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@ Russ Hey Russ might take you up on your offer for a bite to eat and you can tell me about the mormons and in return I will convert you to an atheist ! I am sure you are a nice person but any religious people I have met have turned out to be, not so nice, sometimes a bit scary and I pick up bad spriual vibes from them. Sorry but that is my experience.

In defence of the churches and religion, they intent is good and the do some good work. God obviously does not exist, but religion, like the mormons is real, it is amazing so many exist

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Still lots of misguided anger imo guys. Like I said, the invite to meet is on the table.

Sorry Frungy about your co-worker - that would be a pain. The entire point of not being addicted as part of our religion is to help reach one's own potential. But that applies not only to substances, but attitude as well- sounds like she may be addicted to calling out other peoples problems lol. Or making a fuss to get attention. Neither exactly are great habits. In most cases, Mormons are normal people trying in their own way to improve themselves. None of us are perfect.

Still no offers to meet- apparently you all like hiding behind your computer screens. ;)

I'm also on LinkedIn, and invite you for the same reason to check out my bio and recommendations and meet a normal person that is also Mormon. Again, let's find some common ground to erase your grudges- and as a kicker, you'll probably leave having a new beneficial business connection or two.

No way, I'm not the nicest person on the planet and never claimed to be. I'm a total business-owner Type-A personality and grandson of a stubborn turkey-farming accordion-playing immigrant Swede and his Swiss wife. And I feel more at home in Japan than the US. Normal, right? Just don't go around bashing my beliefs, come say what you think you know in person and let's put an end to the silly statements.

Going to a job interview, wish me luck. Watch out, I may even become your MORMON SUPERVISOR AT WORK! HAHA!!

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the achievement helps show how far the acceptance of Mormonism has come

There's acceptance and there's shoulder-shrugging.

But character and personal background form a piece of the puzzle

It's the US elections, no news there. Remember when a Pres got flamed for screwing around with a secretary? He decided to bomb Afghanistan to divert attention. Anglo-saxon countries love to judge character. Most others don't care.

Some of the stigma faced by Mormons stems from the faith’s seemingly secret traditions—non-Mormons are barred from entering temples, for example. [...] past practice of polygamy

How past is it really, in middle-of-nowhere, Utah? And what about marrying 13yo girls?

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@Russ

Johnson And are we supposed to be impressed with your uninformed slander when you can't spell

So if he can't spell he doesn't have a point? I see...

All of these people attacking me and my religion

No, just your religion (so far).

My vote only goes to Romney because I think he's better equipped to help turn around our economy,

I do not believe you one bit. :)

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@AiserX

Bible, Torah, Koran or the Communist manifesto

Is it that game where you name the item that doesn't fit? ;)

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All readers, please keep the discussion civil and do not insult anyone because of their religious views or faith.

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@Frungy

she's a real pain in the teeth, insisting that the kitchen buy cocoa since she can't drink regular coffee or tea.

No harm there, not an insane request either. Like no sugar stuff for diabetics or no meat for veggies. If you can cater to that, why not?

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@valued_customer

I used to be an atheist. Now I know better. Now I am agnostic.

Seems like you think you're above atheists. What makes you think you know better than others? Have you seen the agnostic light? ;)

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tokyokawasaki: Religious delusions have no place in government. It is sick an nauseating to think that religion has anyplace in the modern world we live in....

My thoughts exactly. NOt only that but any (US) candidate showing signs of being non-religious is immediately rendered unelectable.

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Didn't they say similar over Kennedy being a Catholic.

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Why is it that all subjects are allowed to be openly criticized, including:

Food, films, hotels, sports, politics, polices, ethics, books, plays, arts, music etc, etc.

Yet, when it comes to religion people suddenly get upset and offended... Criticism about a subject is not a taboo. Criticism is also freedom of speech.

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Turns out, that to become POTUS you need invisible friends in high places?

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@tokyokawasaki I agree with you but with religion it can be much deeper within a person than critising their favorite film. If you say someting bad about Allah in a muslim country they take great personal offence, and you can wait for retaliation. Perhaps similar is making Russ upset.

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If he truly represents and supports the people of the United States, and not just vested interests and/or the media, and uses reason and understanding instead of force of arms, it does not matter WHAT religion he is.

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I look forward to the day when Americans are ready for an atheist president.

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@Johninnaha Your right it does not matter what religion he is as far as running a country is concerned.

It shouldn't matter whether he is muslim, jew, gay, has a mistress, etc, etc as these should be personal and should not affect politics and negatively impact the job they are doing running the country.

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The Constitution of the United States guarantees the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state and that is all I need when it comes to which political candidate I support.

Now let this Catholic tell you about his experience with Mormons. When my first wife was killed we were living in a predominantly Mormon city and neighborhood. It was my Mormon neighbors who I only knew through friendly hand waves that came to my aid. With my permission Christine assembled the wake for my wife even though it was held in our Catholic church's banquet hall. She and her helpers even attended the funeral mass in the church. And they refused to accept any money to help with the cost. They freely gave of their time and money to provide aid and comfort to some one from a different religion who they knew was not going to convert. Almost forgot, there was also a Mormon restaurant owner (the restaurant was next to where I worked) who provided my son and I with enough food for a week, we ate very well for that week.

So @Russ you are telling the truth that the average Mormon is indeed a goodhearted person.

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@Frank: The Constitution of the United States guarantees the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state.

I wish that were true....

If that were true, why don't they ban all references to religion by ALL members of government, especially during election campaigns... Selection should be based on skills, determination, manifesto and genuine compassion for the well being of the nation.

If members of government want to preach, go join a church, and keep your ancient beliefs systems out of politics and government which affect EVERYONE.

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Frank thats nice that they supported you during such a bad time. Of course many mormons are good people and what they did was also humanitarian and neighbourly thing to do and perhaps independant from religion. I am not Mormon or any religion but if you lived in our community we would also have helped you in the same way. However I can not condem any religion but just that I don't wish to see it having impact in politics or any other workplace.

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The Mormon understanding of God and Jesus and is best described as a religion that references Christianity rather than being Christian. Its main book is the Book of Mormon, rather than the Bible. It also has a number of beliefs that are regarded as heretical by Christians regarding the Holy Trinity.

In many countries, the electorate does not expect its leader to be strictly religious, but the US is different. However, is it ready for a non-Christian?

Would the US electorate prefer a Muslim to an atheist?

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No, Americans are not ready for Mitt. His wack "religion" is not the primary reason to run from this man. And that says a lot.

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@Ah_so As I mentioned it shouldn't make any difference what religion he is. It should be a private affair outside of his job. As an area of interest, presidency is a job like any other...Unless you are applying for a job in s achurch, how many JT readers get asked what religion they are when they apply for a job?

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I think the real issue is to put on the head of a nation someone who will take everyone into account without hurting entity according to his belief . I believe that it is mainly for this reason that america is given as an example of democratic nation throughout the world.I think the U.S. are not ready for a Mormon Christian or a Muslim he is ready to put <>someone who will defend the interest of the USA and consolidate its position as the leading power.

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Sure, all Americans are ready for a MORMON president, just like all Americans are ready for North Korea to open up and start behaving like decent human beings??

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When was the last Christian president of the U.S.A?

I mean a Christian, not someone who does "mix and match" with the Bible.

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It'd be funny if he introduced polygamy and banned alcohol and coffee.

I'd be happy for anyone to be Pres who can do a good job. Bet there'll be a lot of happy Mormons if he does get it.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Ben JackJun. 08, 2012 - 01:55PM JST

Frungy, I work with a Japanese Mormon here in Japan and she's a real pain in the teeth, insisting that the kitchen buy cocoa since she can't drink regular coffee or tea. You should explain to her that cocoa has caffeine, too.

I did point it out to her in as friendly and non-confrontational manner as I could, just saying, "You might be interested to know that cocoa and chocolate contain caffiene too, and an average dark chocolate bar is about the same as a cup of coffee. I just thought you'd like to know." ... and she turned around and snapped at me that I was wrong because the Church (of Latter-day Saints) allowed cocoa and chocolate so they can't be wrong. I didn't want to get into a fight, so I just ignored it. I tried to respect her beliefs by informing her of something that I believed might be important to her and I got the party line.

VespertoJun. 08, 2012 - 02:48PM JST

@Frungy she's a real pain in the teeth, insisting that the kitchen buy cocoa since she can't drink regular coffee or tea. No harm there, not an insane request either. Like no sugar stuff for diabetics or no meat for veggies. If you can cater to that, why not?

Except that her cocoa comes out of the tea/coffee club budget and nobody else drinks the cocoa (during winter some people did have a few cups and she threw a hissy fit when she went to get a cup of cocoa and discovered there was only enough left for one more cup, asking pointedly who drank "her" cocoa.. now nobody wants to touch it for fear of another hissy fit). Of course my Japanese colleagues are all too conflict-averse to call her on this nonsense and I also don't relish unnecessary drama. Basically she's using her religion as a whip to be really offensive to everyone. I'm not saying that all Mormons are like this, but all the Mormons I've met have made a big point of their religion rather than just quietly ordering something else they specifically point out that they don't drink coffee/tea because it pollutes the body. I find Mormons frequently insist on freedom of religion while simultaneously being phenomenally inconsiderate about everyone else's beliefs (like the scientifically based belief that moderate coffee consumption is good for your health).

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religion and government is supposed to be separated !!!! Obama is the safe bet, women can't do anything if they are mormon.

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A person's religion normally has no bearing on who I vote for and this election cycle will be no different. That said, if a candidate starts spouting faith-based initiatives, then they're not getting my vote. I'm a firm believer that you can't legislate morals, and morals is what religion is all about.

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We're ready for a Mormon president, but not until after the charismatic Barack Obama's second term.

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At this point.... no one is here in the USA is talking about Romney being Mormon and I doubt it will be a factor come election day. We're past his being Mormon.... his personal ethics and capabilities are now what is important.

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FightingVikingJUN. 08, 2012 - 09:25AM JST

I guess that, much in the same way the languages we speak contain several "foreign" words, religion also mixes itself up. I did know Jesus was Jewish, I did not know he was a Rabbi. Think about the "Christmas tree" - where do you find any mention of one in the Bible? It's an old Scandinavian pagan custom. One important thing my parents taught us was to never discuss either religion or politics. I rest my case.

"Looks like somebody borrowed something from the Pagans again!" ROFL

Not only the "tree" but also Maypole, Easter (Ostara), Halloween (Samhain) among many other customs and traditions that were originally Pagan. I love it how the Christians make it sound like they came up with all this.

The truth of the matter is that if the U.S. is ready for a Mormon President, then they should be ready for a Muslim, a Pagan, a Buddhist one...I mean, isn't the U.S. a multicultural/multi-religion nation? LOL

Then again I firmly believe that religion should be banned from interfering with anything that has to do with the Government. Religion is NOT to rule or demand over anything or anybody. Government and Religion do not mix.

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Romney's religion is his achilles heel. Question is whether the right kind of blow will be struck to undo his candidacy.

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In the book of Morman translated by Joseph Smith, Jr. he writes about the building of a new Jerusalem to be built in America by the seed of Joseph. The book of Morman compares it self to the Bible. My question is why they came up with their own Bible and not the one every other Christian uses? The new book was published in 1830 in Manchester, Ontario county, New York, United States of America. They built their new city in Salt Lake City, Utah. They say they were visited by a prophet from Heaven-Moroni-who gave Joseph Smith Jr. breast plates to translate. However, why does he reference the regular Bible and say this is like compare Isaiah 54-about A.D. 34. And tell me why the book goes on after the other Bible. And why does it even talk about America? Their are 12 million Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints worldwide and six million in the United States. I am a Methodist. It does matter if you are a Methodist, Muslim or Morman. Our doctrines are more open. However, our doctrine comes from John Wesley from England. Interesting and it will be interesting how this affects his running for President.

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The Mormons are very close to unification Church members. I think it is time for Unification Church to control and lead the USA.

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I think the issue of religion takes a backseat to the economy ,as well it should at this point in history. Mr. Obama has made some really bad moves,some that will go down as cavalier & reckless. I'm done with this man,who has only made things worse ,No Matter what God he professes to follow, the God of Failure has won the day.

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Seems people don't understand Americaspeek. Christian is code for Protestant. In that sense, Obama is and Mitt is not. Not that that matters since it seems as time goes on, the American population has gotten more stupid. Although this is probably not by accident. Why are US schools in poor areas bad? They lack proper support. It is not really hard to fix the education problem in the US but is no parties advantage to do so. Stupid people are easier to control. Mitt has an income level that makes him a player whether or not he becomes president. Based on Lichman's 13 key question for who will win a presidential race... Obama. The question of the US ready for Mitt is mute.

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Romney was a member of a racist organization ( the Mormon church ) until a conveniently timed revelation decided that black skin wasn't a punishment. Brigham Young stated that racial mixing should be a capital offense. The fact that Romney was a member of this idiotic cult while it held such racist sentiments should be taken into consideration. When confronted with this very ugly truth I've found his answers evasive and hypocritical.

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in harry reid the nation had a mormon for its leader of the senate. funny how the lib media never took issue with reid's religion.

as governor of massachusetts did romney make real any of the paranoid lefty fantasies that he would impose a mormon theocracy on the state?

did his father george romney turn michigan into a mormon state when he governed that state?

no.

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I think the media is well within its rights to make an issue of Romney's faith. After all, the Mormon Church was an officially racist organisation while Romney was a member. It later had a 'revelation' which corrected this stance. The conservative media loved to make an issue of Obama's 'links' to a radical preacher. Religion is an opinion - it should be open season.

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Romney will make an awful president, but none of it has to do with his religion. The main objections to Romney on religious grounds are from SOME groups of evangelicals, who don't see much of a match between their Christian Bible and the Mormon's Christian bible, their Jesus, and the Mormon's Jesus, their afterlife and the Mormon's afterlife. Nobody else cares. People believe all sorts of weird stuff in the US, and unless you are rude, unkind, or an ax murderer, people mostly ignore it. I'm done here...going back to my reading about Area 51 and the aliens.

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Religion and politics again, the two should be kept completely seperate and neither should enter the others house, ie no politics in a church and no religion in governmet.

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*realmindJun. 09, 2012 - 01:04AM JST The Mormons are very close to unification Church members. I think it is time for Unification Church to control and lead the USA

And Oswald was the lone gunman and Elvis ain't really dead.

Care to provide a few credible links documenting this?

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