Black Lives Matter: How far has the movement come?

Hurting the people they claim to be representing. Total lack of legitimacy in the rational world. Race obsessed thinking. Anti data. Cherry picked grievances, entitlement , and eternal victimhood. Served as a warning to us in Australia against the dangers of blind activism gone too far. Double standards, reverse racism, riots, and the final cherry on top now cops can’t be bothered chasing crims, because they have been made the enemy. Why would you stick your neck out in an environment like that? Bravo BLM, bravo. Progress?

Doing just great! Young black men (8-30) make up about 3% of the US population but commit over 40% of homicides (mostly other young black men)

80%+ of the UK's knife crime epidemic is again young black men stabbing other young black men.

There are a minority of bad police, which needs to be addressed but that's not the most pressing problem ..

A movement co-opted by opportunistic capitalists to profit on some people's outrage, and other people's sense of guilt and shame.

Buy a flag, poster, or t-shirt to signal virtuous self-righteousness, then sit back and relax while nothing changes.

All Lives Matter.

Opinion pieces aren’t actual evidence of anything.

I'm surprised he's not quoting Ol' Tucker himself yet.

Opinion pieces aren’t actual evidence of anything.

I will hold you to that

As you should. Just as an opinion piece didn't support your contention, neither does it support the contentions of the left.

Anyways, back to this conversation, you tried to post an opinion piece to support your assertion that BLM leaders are Marxist. Since you didn't put forward anything other than opinion piece, you have not supported your assertion, and I think we all know that you are wrong, which is why you can only provide opinion pieces and nothing of substance.

An openly Marxist organization that stands against the nuclear family and western values has no place in the western world. Even worse, they're hurting the same people they claim to represent. Just because the words of a sentence are true -black lives matter-, which is something accepted by most people, it doesn't mean the organization behind it is good. People have such low IQ these days they can't even make the distinction between the two. The rapidly decreasing quality levels of American education will help create even more dumb people under the sensationalist pretext that math is racist, classical literature is a remnant of colonialism or just not necessary anymore, classical music is racist etc.

StrangerlandToday  04:14 am JST

Yes, it's not even thinkable that black people would actually be concerned about the lives of black people, when there is money to be made, right?

BLM has not done any tangible thing to improve the lives of black people or reduce the number of deaths of black people. It has only improved the lives of the corrupt "leadership" of BLM.

Mr. Kipling, can you document any of the things you are saying about Black people?

This from Wikipedia. The passage is long well worth read in regards to discrimination of Black people under the law:

Wikipedia: Race and crime in the United States

Research also indicates that there is extensive racial and ethnic discrimination by police and the judicial system.[15][16][17][18][19] A substantial academic literature has compared police searches (showing that contraband is found at higher rates in whites who are stopped), bail decisions (showing that whites with the same bail decision as blacks commit more pre-trial violations), and sentencing (showing that blacks are more harshly sentenced by juries and judges than whites when the underlying facts and circumstances of the cases are similar), providing valid causal inferences of racial discrimination.[20][21][22][23] Studies have documented patterns of racial discrimination, as well as patterns of police brutality and disregard for the constitutional rights of African-Americans, by police departments in various American cities, including Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and Philadelphia.

P. Smith: Please read the Communist Manifesto if you want to attack it. Case in point. Marx never wanted to abolish the family. There is a passage that goes that opponents claim Communists want to abolish the family among other things. This is a rhetorical statement made as if by the enemies of Communism. Marx proceeds to refute this.

Don't misrepresent Black Lives Matter and any sincere democratic Marxists associated with it.

Not just my opinion, choose your outlet.

You just posted a bunch of more opinion pieces.

Most people realize that just repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true. You just keep posting opinion pieces. Still nothing of substance.

My conclusion stands:

As we've established, it's only your opinion that it's Marxist. There isn't actually anything in reality that shows it to be that.

Statements straight from their mouths,

they are opinions straight from their … computers.

There is nothing to discredit, because they are just opinions. People can have opinions, everyone does.

You were going on a few post about how bad liberals were for opinion pieces to support your argument, yet here you are only posting opinion pieces to support your opinion.

it must be difficult emotionally to have to resort to using tactics to eat the other team for using so much. Either way, BLM is not Marxist. We have a showing anything to support that

An openly Marxist organization 

While I understand that two of the founders have described themselves as Marxist, I find it difficult to see how the organization and its aims can be seen as Marxist.

A movement co-opted by opportunistic capitalists to profit on some people's outrage

Yes, it's not even thinkable that black people would actually be concerned about the lives of black people, when there is money to be made, right?

People supporting a Marxist organization

As we've established, it's only your opinion that it's Marxist. There isn't actually anything in reality that shows it to be that.

You guys are using "Marxist" the same way you use "Socialist" - as a catchall for "the boogeyman".

Doesn't discredit either, the BLM organization has done that on their own.

And yet they're way more respected in America than the far-right extremists.

They haven't burnt down enough buildings or beaten up enough cops lately. They need to raise their game otherwise the loony white right wingers will start thinking that they are better than BLM.

In response to the 2012 acquittal of George Zimmerman for shooting and killing Black teenager Trayvon Martin...

The sentence is incomplete. It should read: In response to the acquittal of George Zimmerman for shooting and killing the Black Teenager Trayvon Martin in self defense...

Young black men (8-30) make up about 3% of the US population but commit over 40% of homicides...

Without the filter of "young," Black males are 6.5% of the US population and commit 54% (2020) of all the murders in the US, according to FBI statistics.

Black Lives Matter is a financially corrupt entity and this poorly constructed collection of innuendo and propaganda masquerading as a serious piece of writing reads more like something a 13-year old would write for a required middle school essay.

The BLM is a protest group against the racism experienced daily by African Americans.

The ironic thing is that most of the comments above are proof that African Americans are widely hated and discriminated against by whites. It is almost like a an advertisement justifying BLM in the face of widespread white hostility.

One of the comments that always makes me groan is the complaint that "it's all about race". Well, for whites it is. If you are not white then whites most often view you as inferior. White racism and their habits of discriminating against non-whites every day in every way one can imagine is why race rises to the top of the concerns of non-whites. Every aspect of their lives is constrained by their race by whites who refuse to treat non-whites as equals.

 Marx never wanted to abolish the family.

His manifesto is here on my bookshelf and I have read it in detail. Marx and Engels advocate the end of the nuclear family, communal child rearing, communal dining and living, and "free love". Marx and Engels didn't think kids should be concerned who their parents were. Everyone in the commune would raise everyone's children. and you could sleep with all and sundry. Go back and read it, it's all there.

US race relations are at their worst point in a generation, and the "Defund the Police" movement has achieved its incredibly obvious and predictable result.

Except police agencies weren't in fact defunded. It never happened. Many cities in the US had broad declines in tax revenues that forced cutbacks in all departments, but other cities, more cities in fact, increased police budgets, some while facing reductions in tax revenues.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-city-budget-police-defunding/

There are reasons for the current spike in crime but defunding police is not one of them because by and large it hasn't happened.

so lets review the last year.

US race relations are at their worst point in a generation, and the "Defund the Police" movement has achieved its incredibly obvious and predictable result.

Inner-city crime in America's biggest cities (all Democrat, of course) are at the worst numbers since the 80's.

Who pays the price? Certainly not the champagne socialists who campaigned for it, nor the BLM organizers who made out like bandits. They would never live in these cities. They live in gated communities.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/

No, they don't have to live with the horrific results of their race hustling.

The victims are the minorities who HAVE to live in those cities and are overwhelmingly the victims of robberies, assaults, rapes and murders.

Desert* here lies the root of the pushback to this type of thinking. You would most likely view me as a white fella and assume that you know something about me simply by my appearance.

Here is the irony of this statement. I'm an older gray haired white guy. People in my apparent peer group make assumptions about my worldview and drop all of their filters. They just assume I am as racist as they are and let it all hang out. N words galore! Then when they expect me to agree with them. In the course of their monolog they will look at me and ask "right?" No, not right. Then they discover I am not so much shocked, hard to be shocked when you have heard the same tripe as often as I have, just disgusted. Then they get mad, sometimes really mad because to them I have betrayed them. Yes, I am a traitor to the white race. I am supposed to be like them in all their bigoted glory and when they discover I'm not I become their enemy. I have seen this time and time again. The white neighbor cleaning his guns in his garage telling me in a low voice how his Army Reserve Unit ( a fresh water unit, they have water trailers and filtration equipment) is preparing for "the coming race war". I have been hearing about this "coming race war" all of my adult life from white bigots. So don't pretend you are something you aren't. I see right through it.

While I understand that two of the founders have described themselves as Marxist, I find it difficult to see how the organization and its aims can be seen as Marxist.

In February, Cullors released a video that wrapped BLM GNF under the banner of "abolition." If that sounds odd, since that goal was achieved by Lincoln in 1863, it’s because, when used by communists, abolition means something else. 

In fact, Cullors described the radical goal this way: "Abolition is the getting rid of police, prisons and jails, surveillance, and courts."

As Grove City College Professor Paul Kengor writes in "The Devil and Karl Marx," "The word ‘abolition’ is omnipresent throughout Marx’s writings. As [Marx scholar] Robert Payne noted, the word almost seems to jump off every page of the Manifesto. ‘And after he has "abolished" property, family, and nations, and all existing societies, Marx shows little interest in creating a new society on the ruins of the old.'" 

Just to make sure everyone got it, Cullors in her February video praised her mentor, Angela Davis, as one of her "favorite abolitionists." Davis, you’ll recall, ran twice for Vice President on the Communist Party ticket and was awarded the Lenin Peace Prize by the ruthless East German regime.

Yeah, they're a Marxist group.

The black president of the foundation resigned last year.

Because he even knew how radical the organization has become in their Marxist radical viewpoints.

Desert* here lies the root of the pushback to this type of thinking. You would most likely view me as a white fella and assume that you know something about me simply by my appearance. I am assigned a group by you, all while claiming that we do the same to you. We keep getting told of this inherent and unconscious racism that we all must have , especially if we call out what we see plain as day the hypocrisy and the double standards of the BLM movement. The smoke and mirrors and all the Marxist and anti capitalist undertones, in a younger day may have been appealing but now think it’s a road to nowhere fast. Not everyone has a taste for this revolutionary zeal, but you can judge them for that. In a way there’s more political issues than race ones.

Then of course it’s all about race.

The whole thing falls apart because I know my own history. Have befriended and even at times defended all colors and creeds, worked hard jobs, teamed up, hung out , got into trouble with everyone that I’ve had the pleasure to come across and clique with in my life. I KNOW I’ve never been a racist, and everyone that knows me can attest. We all know our our past actually. Playing sport which was the best example of a level playing field, and no one gave a toss where you came from.

Can you see and even even empathize that being told of inherent racism can make you wanna punch back? Or am I just not getting something? Really wanna know. Grandson of a polish immigrant and a long line of coal miners it’s interesting someone could feel they know your story at a glance. Have never claimed to be able to do the same. You get to know people, it’s real simple.

Mr. Kipling, can you document any of the things you are saying about Black people? 

This from Wikipedia. The passage is long well worth read in regards to discrimination of Black people under the law:

blah, blah, blah. The same old stale argument that whines about blacks getting longer sentences for the same crimes as other races.

They never mention that the reason is because black American criminals often have prior records. The same sentencing applies to whites and every other race.

FBI statistics show black American males, 6% of the population, account for 50% of all murders.

The majority of protestors in the BLM are not Marxists. They are people protesting against racism.

People supporting a Marxist organization doesn't have good luck and the founders beliefs are nothing short of radical leftist, disinformed and historical facts.

As you should. Just as an opinion piece didn't support your contention, neither does it support the contentions of the left.

Doesn't discredit either, the BLM organization has done that on their own.

As we've established, it's only your opinion that it's Marxist.

Not just my opinion, choose your outlet.

https://spectator.org/blm-marxist-defund-police/

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/unashamedly-marxist-founder-of-blm-resigns/ar-AAKwsKp

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/04/17/blm-leader-attempts-to-explain-why-being-a-marxist-and-a-millionaire-isnt-hypocritical-n2588042

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/marxism-underpins-black-lives-matter-agenda

And a lot more. You don't need to believe it, I do and most of the media does and THEY even said it and I take their word for it.

And yet they're way more respected in America than the far-right extremists.

That respect is becoming a joke and fast. ROFL

You just posted a bunch of more opinion pieces.

Statements straight from their mouths, so if you want to discredit them by saying their not truthful, you have the right to formulate any opinion you wish.

Just what are you talking about. The Black president, Kay James of The Heritage Foundation resigned. The BLM does not have a president.

Ok, semantics, founder.

The Heritage Foundation has promoted false claims of voter fraud.

If you take that route then you can make the same accusations about Reuters and the AP, they all make mistakes, this is from the former founder, who himself admitted that the BLM has become a more leftist and radical organization.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/04/17/blm-leader-attempts-to-explain-why-being-a-marxist-and-a-millionaire-isnt-hypocritical-n2588042

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

It is extremely unethical to plagiarize.

I didn't and never implied that it was from me or that I wrote it and I am not selling books, I am not a publisher, so nice try.

This is from on opinion piece originating at Fox “News”

Not just FOX, but other news outlets that the left wants to bury, very deep as a matter of fact.

Opinion pieces aren’t actual evidence of anything.

I will hold you to that because there are soooo many opinion pieces on the left, but to you guys, they always matter, no matter what. You are so funny.