Brazil's shutdown of X fans debate over free speech curbs

The shutdown of X in Brazil

Highlighting the wisdom of the Founding Fathers when they codified into the Constitution the following sacrosanct words:

Congress shall make no law infringing on the freedom of speech.

Banthu, um, this is happening in Brazil. They might use the US Constitution, but I bet it's not word for word.

Is it censorship to stop invidious social and political lies? Maybe. But it seems that this is Brazil's call.

It's really sad when court and judges becomes the water boys for politicians

Gene Hennigh

Is it censorship to stop invidious social and political lies? Maybe. But it seems that this is Brazil's call.

Yes, it is. Because who is to decide what is a "lie"? Do you want a Ministry of Truth?

"There Was No Time In History Where The People Censoring Free Speech Were The Good Guys." (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.)

It's really sad when court and judges becomes the water boys for politicians

Fortunately this is not what is happening here, a billionaire that abuses a SNS he bought for that purposes (and even makes sexual threats to famous people) is being called to assume the consequences of his actions.

Yes, it is. Because who is to decide what is a "lie"? Do you want a Ministry of Truth?

For many things evidence and a valid logic is enough to prove lies, there is no need for any changes in the Judicial power to be able to do something that is routinely done in every country of the world.

the following sacrosanct words

Yet we learn as kids from our parents and school teachers that we are not free to say anything we want. And with good reason, I think. Freedom is an impractical dream. I can't drive on any side of the road or at any speed I want to. It puts people in danger. Similarly, if someone says, "Albaleo kidnaps young kids," it would put my life in danger. I'd say all freedoms should be restricted when it puts others in danger. The difficulty is in defining such a legal concept in the case of "speech".

Yes, it is. Because who is to decide what is a "lie"?

the truth backed with evidence will decide what is a lie, just like the courts do, you bring the evidence that supports your claims, then youll win your litigation.

opinion, conspiracies arent the truth, no matter how much people want them to be.

do you remember the propaganda about Poland to justify Hitlers invasion, do you remember the claims of WMDs in Iraq, both were proven false. Unfortenately the damage was done wars started, millions died

Congress shall make no law infringing on the freedom of speech.

Americas constitution doesnt get to dictate other countries

"Fortunately this is not what is happening here, a billionaire that abuses a SNS he bought for that purposes (and even makes sexual threats to famous people) is being called to assume the consequences of his actions."

I never thought people will be so much against freedoms of speech. Its not logical to invest billions just for fun. It seems some really only care about sexual threats for famous people, then do the free and famous have more freedom of speech than the rest?

virusrex

Fortunately this is not what is happening here, a billionaire that abuses a SNS he bought for that purposes (and even makes sexual threats to famous people) is being called to assume the consequences of his actions.

In what world is restoring free speech an "abuse"?

albaleo

The difficulty is in defining such a legal concept in the case of "speech".

Not that difficult. Calls for violence and person defamation can be (and are already) legally defined and addressed.

The difficulty comes when activist politicians want to outlaw vague concepts like "misinformation" and "hate speech". That opens the door to unlimited censorship.

 I never thought people will be so much against freedoms of speech.

Well, you should believe it, Musk is one huge example of someone that is very much against freedom of speech in everything he controls including twitter, as I showed you before with references he systematically hides words he arbitrarily decided should not be used all with the purpose of censoring opinions he does not share. He is not logical, he is just rich and likes to thing others should do only what he allows. The moment you automatically justifies he making threats of sexual violence you put yourself in the wrong side of the problem, imagine someone doing that to someone in your family and people saying he has that right and that you should not feel bad about him making those threats.

In what world is restoring free speech an "abuse"?

He is not restoring free speech, he routinely censors and harass people for their opinions and beliefs, he only has a problem with that about opinions that he wants to support, even to the point of doing illegal things to reach that goal. Obviously nobody has a right to make sexual threats, but he likes to pretend he does.

The difficulty comes when activist politicians want to outlaw vague concepts like "misinformation" and "hate speech".

Still no difficulty, still something done easily every day on all countries of the word. Things can be demonstrated as false and that incite violence. The first one that is against absolute freedom of speech is Musk, that censors a lot of things just because he wants without any need for that to be illegal.

China has banned tweeter for a long time, Musk is perfectly okay with this.

Brazil's Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes decided to lift freezes previously imposed on Starlink and X bank accounts after ordering the transfer of 18.35 million reais ($3.3 million) from the accounts to the national coffers.

Great way to get money dws.

Coming to other nations soon, 1984 will arrive sooner than expected. Mass surveillance, thought crimes, endless wars and the rewriting of history.

Data

You must know to what I’m referencing or either being facetious

Coming to other nations soon, 1984 will arrive sooner than expected. Mass surveillance, thought crimes, endless wars and the rewriting of history.

Fortunately the law in countries like Brazil are doing the right thing and hopefully prevent billionaires reaching this end.

I mean, Musk fully supports the government of China and has exactly zero complains about twitter being banned there since a long time ago, not to say anything about the many other measures of population control.

It is a amazing to see how many commentators here are fine with government regulation of speech.

virusrex

I mean, Musk fully supports the government of China and has exactly zero complains about twitter being banned there since a long time ago, not to say anything about the many other measures of population control.

China has its great internet firewall and does not allow access (without VPN) to any outside site, including your pro-establishment information sites. Are you seriously comparing Brazil with China now?