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Despite Brexit, I’m proud to be a Brit

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By John Lloyd

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Appalling nonsense from Tony Blair's lapdog journalist.

Here's the best article I've read about Brexit recently, written by the great Patrick Cockburn:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/brexit-vote-today-eu-time-theresa-may-uk-westminster-crisis-dover-a8728581.html

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'lapdog journalist'? That's a pretty lame damnation from a non-journalist who only transcribes and copies what he believes in; it's best, I think, to see both sides of an argument, which obviously you refuse to do. Sad. And with a name (pseudonym???) like Alfie, are you pretending to be a Brit? My ancestors from Nottingham and Scotland would question that.

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Too many of my compatriots are poorly educated and ignorant. That's nothing to be proud of, more an embarrassment. I don't really blame the people themselves, rather our useless politicians that continually put dogma ahead of common sense.

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Appalling nonsense from Tony Blair's lapdog journalist.

Agree.

Here's the best article I've read about Brexit recently, written by the great Patrick Cockburn:

> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/brexit-vote-today-eu-time-theresa-may-uk-westminster-crisis-dover-a8728581.html

Thanks for that alfie! Its a great read!

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I love how Brexit winds up the Remoaners. They can't stand when democracy doesn't go their way. Suck it up!

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What I find horrific is that the Brexiteers will quite happily skip their way to a no-deal, hard-line exit without a care for what will follow. Xenophobia and lies won the referendum, not common sense and careful thought.

I'm proud to be a Scot, who along with 62% of the rest of Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

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Being against a second referendum is not simply that Leave are afraid of losing. They should be more afraid of setting off the metronome.

The weakness of democracy is in the volatile close to 50% split region where things shift backwards and forwards. Given a little time the fickle majority deciders soon become bored and ready for change, thus everything tends to swing back once more.

If there is a second referendum, and if it reflects a Remain majority, it is certain that after the initial settling down and subsequent reappearance of popular discontent there will again be calls by Leave for a third.

And so on down the road. What will be lost in the process? The integrity of the referendum system itself.

Now that would be even more embarrassing than things are already, if such is possible.

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It has always been a good time to be British---a popular saying years ago was "There are only two types of people in the World---the British and those who would like to be British" And judging by the number of people who have flocked to Britain to take up residence and gain a British passport it seems to be just as true today.

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Things Remainers say about Leavers:

They're xenophobic, uneducated, ignorant, ill-informed and they don't understand why being in the EU is a good thing.

Things Leavers say about Remainers:

They're undemocratic, dislike the working class, moan about losing the referendnum and they don't understand why most people voted to Leave.

I'd dare say that Brexit happened because of Brits who are proud to be British. They don't identify as European (culturally), and they don't want to be part of a European superstate.

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I've always thought of my Britishness as being like having a dodgy ankle.

Sometimes it's fine, then we get Dominic Raab who “hadn't quite understood” the importance of cross-Channel trade to the UK economy", i.e we import yuuge amounts of food from the EU.

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And with a name (pseudonym???) like Alfie, are you pretending to be a Brit? My ancestors from Nottingham and Scotland would question that.

This appears to be the "no true Scotsman" argument. Of course Alfie is a Brit.

I do not always agree with him, but I certainly see that he is a Brit. His avatar alone shows me that (taken from a brilliant 1990s satirical news programme, The Day Today).

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If there is a second referendum, and if it reflects a Remain majority, it is certain that after the initial settling down and subsequent reappearance of popular discontent there will again be calls by Leave for a third.

I am of the view that I do not think that a majority of under 2% is really sufficient for such a monumental change in our relationship with the rest of the world. I think that that alone justifies a 2nd referendum. I would like such referenda in future to have a threshold of at least 55% to implement significant change.

But in this case, no one said this before, but still such a tiny majority at best says that the country is split down the middle. I think a 2nd referendum helps balance things.

If teh second one is very close then I think a third after a period of years is fair, or at least when polling suggests that it is moving towards a majority.

We had a referendum to leave in 1975, after all.

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'lapdog journalist'?

Yep, lapdog all the way. Have a good read of Lloyd's wikispooks page and see for yourself:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/John_Lloyd

You could also read up on his fellow travelers Douglas Murray and Oliver Kamm:

https://medium.com/@buffsoldier_96/the-strange-case-of-douglas-murray-74a670150172

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2018/861-a-liberal-pillar-of-the-establishment-new-look-guardian-old-style-orthodoxy.html

it's best, I think, to see both sides of an argument, which obviously you refuse to do.

Tony Blair's a war criminal with the blood of over a million people on his hands. He was, and still is, supported by people like Lloyd. They are terrified of Jeremy Corbyn winning the next election, that's what this is about.

Here's yet another excellent article about Brexit, this time from John Harris at the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/21/england-rebel-spirit-no-deal-brexit

"The gender aspect of Brexit is still too overlooked. Of the people gathered in that Wetherspoons, 90% were men. In a recent YouGov poll, support for no deal was put at 22%, but whereas 28% of men were no-dealers, among women the figure was a paltry 16%. There is something at play here similar to the belligerent masculinity channelled by Donald Trump: a yearning for all-or-nothing politics, enemies and endless confrontation, and an aggressive nostalgia. Some of the latter is shamelessly misogynistic, part of a macho bigotry that harks back to hierarchies of privilege that linger on, and blurs into racism. But there is also an element that ought to attract empathy: a yearning for a world in which men were steelworkers, coalminers and welders, and a desperate quest for something – anything – that might allow their successors to do the same."

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hpw many of you actually saw brexit coming?

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