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Why it matters if U.S. calls Ukraine genocide

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Peter14:

I'm not forgetting the slavery that took place in Australia. No, America wasn't the only country. The genocide of the aboriginals is another matter too.

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One of the first policies addressed by the United nations in 1948 was Genocide. They said:

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

We have actually seen such "Genocide" in history and the largest, most documented, and most horrific such Genocide in Human history, and even popularly celebrated for a time in subsequent entertainment venues, was the almost total 'ethnic cleansing' of North America. In some areas of that space, it still continues. At this time, we are seeing a very similar process in Palestine. Was World War II a Genocide? By the definition given, War itself is Genocide when 'nationalisms' homicidally compete which would make the entire last 120 years of the history of the United States an almost completely uninterrupted Genocide upon the World. In fact, to say that Genocide seems to come quite naturally to Humanity would not be an overstatement of our history. And, of course, with it comes the profound Hypocrisy which also seems to come naturally to Humanity when discussing it. Sit down, Joe, and quit embarrassing us...

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How does that alter what Russia is doing in Ukraine and holding those responsible, accountable?

I wasn't referring to Ukraine in the sense that Russia wasn't responsible, they are and are committing acts of genocide, but was correcting Eastman or clarifying the difference between targeted specific individuals or groups and eliminating entire groups of people.

Deflecting again.

Again? I never do, no reason to.

Russian actions are wholly criminal and they must pay a price for that. Regardless of crimes committed in the past by other regimes. 

No arguments here.

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Why it matters if U.S. calls Ukraine genocide, because if any other country said it, no one would take it as being called what it actually is. Others are too afraid of Russia to speak out!!!

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Name one war that could not have been interpreted as an "attempted genocide"

How does that alter what Russia is doing in Ukraine and holding those responsible, accountable?

Deflecting again. Russian actions are wholly criminal and they must pay a price for that. Regardless of crimes committed in the past by other regimes.

Can be killing of innocent civilians by US drones in Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya,Syria or elsewhere marked as genocide?

If it can be proven beyond doubt that their intention was to target and kill civilians and such actions were carried out intentionally over and over, then you might have a case. That was not the case, although there were often some civilian casualties, the target was always military.

Not really sure the label fits, Russia is not trying to wipe out the Ukranian identity as a whole.

Putin says they dont have their own identity, and his troops are killing those they come across who support Ukraine independence.

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Can be killing of innocent civilians by US drones in Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya,Syria or elsewhere marked as genocide?

Can be well organized killing of innocent civilians as you pleased from safety of some bunker in Pentagon marked as genocide?

I believe YES!

Or these were /and still are/just some statistics,some "numbers" or say in modern language-just "tragic mistakes"?

Tragic blunders?

How dare you Mr.Biden?

Wash your bloody hands first if wants to criticize others!

There is a notable difference while killing is killing there is a distinct difference and that is "the intent."

Genocide is systematically methodically and purposely trying to eradicate indiscriminately a large group of individuals or a specific group or race of people for one political or religious reason primarily.

The other is trying to target and specifically eliminate an individual or a group of people that is trying to destroy innocent people residing in their country or abroad, that is a calculated killing, but nowhere near anything close to a genocide.

So it is really not the same thing at all.

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Bronco...

Name one war that could not have been interpreted as an "attempted genocide

You could probably argue the Rwandan civil war?

But not Ukraine except for the murder of ethnic Russians in Dombass by Ukrainian "nationalists".

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Yes, pure propaganda especially when there is little evidence. And this applies to Xinjiang too where USA is determine to 'divide and conquer' by stirring up trouble, causing tension, because Central Asia is of geopolitical importance. We already know it's USA who is directing the fighting in Ukraine (more evidence from Le Figaro journalist). Can we also call killing 0.5 million Iraqi children a genocide too? Yemen? Afghanistan? Syria? We know USA is actually using Al Qaeda to do their dirty work too - oh, the irony. They are more than happy to get Muslim terrorists from Idlib to go to Ukraine!

Mr Biden should clean that bird dropping from his shoulder instead of throwing the genocide word.

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US use of the word genocide is exclusively for actions of Russia and of course to describe government handling in China. The permanent use of this word makes it hollow and untrustworthy. People understand that it is only an expression of propaganda to smear the enemy.

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Not really sure the label fits, Russia is not trying to wipe out the Ukranian identity as a whole. If anything, it was the inverse on the people of Donbass and Luhansk. Still, if Ukraine surrendered tomorrow everything would end, Russia has no real objective of eliminating anyone there who isn't a neo-nazi.

On the other hand I suppose US are experts in the field after all, so they would probably be able to identify it pretty readily. Maybe they truly believe that the Ukranian identity is just the fascists, but personally I don't think that describes everyone there.

Maybe an argument could be made that removing all members of an extremist wing is a type of political genocide? On that sub group at the very least.

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One question to Mr Biden.

Can be killing of innocent civilians by US drones in Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya,Syria or elsewhere marked as genocide?

Can be well organized killing of innocent civilians as you pleased from safety of some bunker in Pentagon marked as genocide?

I believe YES!

Or these were /and still are/just some statistics,some "numbers" or say in modern language-just "tragic mistakes"?

Tragic blunders?

How dare you Mr.Biden?

Wash your bloody hands first if wants to criticize others!

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Why it matters if US calls Ukraine genocide:

To a nation that would address any form of killing in other countries as 'genocide', does it matter this time?

The word has been loosely used, so much so that it means nothing to most western people.

So, is mass shooting genocide?

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U.S. leaders have long feared that acknowledging genocide would require them - or someone - to intervene, even to send in troops,

Fake fear.

The US under Biden will not send in troops.

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Maybe Biden have forgotten own actions as Obamas vicepresident while US did genocide in Iraq,Libya and Syria...or may have issue with memory,I know age,he is old man already but anyway...as leader of USA should correctly weigh its own words!

So this is why it matters if world calls US genocide in Iraq,Libya and Syria!

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Name one war that could not have been interpreted as an "attempted genocide"

Agreed.

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Serious gaffe: Forbes and DM are reporting French president Emmanuel Macron suggested the mass slaughter of civilians could not be considered genocide because 'the Ukrainians and Russians are brothers'.

Oleg Nikolenko, a spokesman for the Ukrainian foreign ministry, said Mr Macron's statements were disappointing. ''Brotherly'' people don't kill children, don't shoot civilians, don't rape women, don't mutilate the elderly, and don't destroy the homes of other ''brotherly'' people.'"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2022/04/13/wednesday-april-13-russias-war-on-ukraine-news-and-information-from-ukraine/?sh=689a86b729cd

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10717077/Anger-Kyiv-Emmanuel-Macron-refuses-claims-Russia-carried-genocide-Ukraine.html

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Name one war that could not have been interpreted as an "attempted genocide"

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