Greta Thunberg: Climate savior or puppet?

Puppet.

Not a puppet. In fact, she is a self-starter.

Did you know she convinced her parents to become vegans?

No, she is a self-starter and a very persistent and convincing self-starter.

For the Right-wing crowd who claim she is a "puppet" let them identify the puppeteer, the Svengali lurking in the background. They can't.

LOL! The people screaming that she is a puppet are also members of the "Cult of Dump". They will be the same people whining along with "Criminal in the WH" because she will get a Nobel Award and not him!

@BigYen

Greta Thunberg is not a puppet. But she is a zealot. And like all zealots, she produces simplistic solutions to complex arguments. I thought after her speech a few days ago that maybe she was what the climate change movement needed, someone who would dispense with logical arguments based on scientific evidence (which haven't worked with the doubters) and instead dispense a bit of fire and brimstone (which might stir people up). Now I'm not so sure. I think she's just too easy for her opponents to dismiss.

You do realize that she is a child? Unless you believe that she a grown woman suffering from a genetic disorder in disguise!

INGMAR RENTZHOG: the person who "discovered" Greta Thunberg.........

https://omny.fm/shows/cjad-800/ingmar-rentzhog-the-person-who-discovered-greta-th

I am not comfortable with the phase svengali or puppeteer, Rentzhog is a first rate PR guru. Rentzhog has ben accused of missusing Thunberg name.

A proportion of the financing could be provided by philanthropist Trevor Neilson Climate Emergency Fund.

Greta Thunberg is a vulnerable teenage girl, the manner in which President Trump upstaged Greta Thunberg was excruciating and unnecessary. remember Greta is sixteen years of age. That vulnerability was on full public display there is a danger that politicians are Greta name as a mean to purchase virtue on the world stage.

Don't particularly like Greta's groupies aka the 'wow Greta's the new Gandhi! Greta showing the world how to etc' crowd (silly/ slightly creepy imo) but find haters utterly pathetic.

Grown ups mocking/harassing a teenager whose only fault is perhaps being 'too' passionate about our environment is pretty sad.

We live in such a polarized world.

I'm an environmentalist but this girl's annoying to watch.

It’s a rare case of everyone being right. Both criticism and praise are deserved.

If you were able to get through her UN speech, you'll realize she only called upon governments and corporations to cure all climate woes. In that one speech, she viewed individuals who had been doing their part to save the planet as irrelevant.

Those who actually thought that swimming to Australia from Japan instead of flying in a commercial airliner or abandoning air conditioners during in the height of a summer heatwave in the name leaving no carbon footprint were totally dismissed by Greta the Teenage Climate Expert.

The world is never a simple black or white, she definitely started with good intentions, became famous (or "influencers" in today's term), which makes her a potential candidate to be used as puppet. As history has proven, the messenger and her believers have different goals most of the time, and at this point, I can surely say I dislike some of her believers and some of her critics.

If we follow what some believe to qualify as Puppet Status - then we're all puppets. No doubt about it. Me too.

But again what many critics appear to miss is she doesn't want any praise or elevation at all, neither for herself or her movements other young followers.

She'd sooner disappear from the limelight and hand over the responsibility of "the cause" to those who's job it is to take on the challenge. That is the Govts and Deciders of the world.

And she has stated a 1,000 times - the Science Speaks. Science is the Way. Have faith in the huge majority of leading Scientists and help them, support them.

Doesn't sound like a puppet to me.

many critics appear to miss is she doesn't want any praise or elevation at all

that's not what the critics are on about.

She'd sooner disappear from the limelight

Doesn't sound like a puppet to me.

you say she doesn't want the limelight, and yet there she is. if she didn't want it but was pushed there by others, that's the very definition of a puppet.

Puppet.

Puppet for sure.

And so do the climate brown shirts that are pulling them.

So you are implying people who support climate change would be brown shirt fascists?

The tactics they use on kids and to people that...take a calmer and more rational or alternate position on the issue, yes.

The tactics they use on kids and to people that...take a calmer and more rational or alternate position on the issue, yes.

You mean like those who think the whole thing is a hoax created by the Chinese?

She's entitled to express her opinion just like everyone else. But I wonder why her opinion is given more attention than say that of 16-year old science and engineering students at my local high school or kids in parts of the world that are waiting to get electricity for the first time in their lives. If the end result is that more people are prompted to come up with workable solutions to this complex problem, then good on her. However, she may have the opposite effect. I suspect no one really likes being bossed around, and especially not by a 16-year old telling adults to make her world better.

zichi:

So you are implying people who support climate change would be brown shirt fascists?

What does that even mean? The climate has been changing since the existance of the planet and will continue to change. It is irrelavant if anyone of us "supports" that or not. Can we please start making a little bit of sense here?

Greta has also been accused of sowing anxiety rather than delivering a rational argument.

"I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day," she told the World Economic Forum in Davos in January.

Lately, she seems to have changed her tune. "I want you to listen to the scientists," she urged the U.S. Congress last week.

The question has become - Who is Greta Thunberg, and why should anyone believe what she has to sell? It seems that the people who already believed what she was championing like her because she's more likeable, and believable, than they are.

Are people now using her because they have noticed that she was able to attract more attention to their cause?

What does that even mean? The climate has been changing since the existance of the planet and will continue to change. It is irrelavant if anyone of us "supports" that or not. Can we please start making a little bit of sense here?

He was clearly responding to Bass4funk who had already used this comparison.

Yes, the climate has been changing since the existence of the planet and now it is changing faster than ever and it is man made. That's the difference.

For middle aged men who get annoyed about Greta Thunberg, help is here - the Greta Thunberg helpline - they will help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x49P_ZGeWq8

Ah_so

now it is changing faster than ever and it is man made

That is a political claim, not a fact. And even if it was a fact, there is no way politicians can change that with laws.

Alas, gullible children are indoctrinated with these claims by the globalist left.

Zichi:

I don´t care about name-calling like brown shirt fascists.

I was asking about your bizarre comment about "So you are implying people who support climate change".

Again, what does "support climate change" is supposed to mean?? The climate changes regardless if you are I support that. It is like talking about about supporting gravity or supporting the earths rotation.

Come on, lets try to make some sense and not just create word salad.

Ah_so - For middle aged men who get annoyed about Greta Thunberg, help is here - the Greta Thunberg helpline - they will help you.

Do they hook people up with an online psychic?

Isn't Thunberg's shtick to scare people into believing that the end of the world is near, and to recommend that more people listen to the science?

People could skip the Thunberg message, and reconsider the same science, again. Maybe this time they will change their mind?

HAIL GRETA!

"Greta has also been accused of sowing anxiety rather than delivering a rational argument."

The "anxiety" part comes from the "educational" part because there is nothing about our future which looks positive. The "rational" comes because the author of this occult hit piece apparently finds compulsive, mindless, conscienceless acquisivity to be a "rational" behavior and that any argument against it, or against unfettered destruction of our global support system, is somehow not sane. Is there a "rational" argument in the face of insane greed? Is ANY 'argument' necessary to oppose insane, dominant by murder, greed? No. Only the blindly politically religious could believe so, convinced by ignorance and inability to grow beyond high school level thinking or, really, education. Even many college educated people never grow beyond their high school awarenesses. But they don't do this on purpose, they sadly TRUST their "Leaders" and THIS is what is destroying our World today, and by "World" I mean Humanity. Earth doesn't care and, no doubt, has seen HER MISTAKE in producing such as us and is taking steps to once again reset HER WORLD toward a new paradigm just like SHE has done a number of times previously in the History of Life here. I wonder if whatever comes next will see us as we see the dinosaurs, a bunch of too dumb predators, but here more interested in murderous theft than in saving themselves from themselves. Shoganai, ne? Humans...

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Puppet - the strings are the ideologue parents .

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Could this child think of this all on her own?

Where is the outrage @ child trafficking / child labour / abrogation of human rights / torture/ terror???????

Climate catastrophe !?

True.

But in light of the people experiencing these real-time catastrophes, pie in the sky.

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Greta: Why have you adults let the world become this way? Why aren't you do anything?

Morons: You need to shut up and be a good girl and do things the way we've been doing. Then we'll listen to what you say.

Um...

And in 100 years, the youth will be angrily protesting “how dare you deny us the right to eat meat. How dare you deprive us of the dietary traditions of our ancestors. Meat is healthy and environmentally sustainable, and contains nutrients that are not obtainable through plants.”

Meat will be the next century’s marijuana.

And in 100 years, the youth will be angrily protesting “how dare you deny us the right to eat meat. How dare you deprive us of the dietary traditions of our ancestors. Meat is healthy and environmentally sustainable, and contains nutrients that are not obtainable through plants.”

They're coming for our meat! Get the guns.

zichi:

There is nothing bizarre about those who support the climate change.

There you go again. What is this about "supporting the climate change" or not supporting it? This climate by definition ALWAYS changes. It changed before humans existed and it will change after humans have disappeared. Look at geological records.

The climate of the globe is changing for the negative.

How do you define "negative"? For example, was the medieval warm period, during which England was a subtropical place, a negative? Was the mini-ice age of the lat 20th century a negative? Exactly what temperature range do you consider is proper? And who gets to decide this?

I think most people would accept that. The argument is why the changes are happening. Manmade vs nature.

I don´t know what "most" people accept, and it is irrelevant too. And why is manmade vs nature an either-or situation? Of course both factors exist. The claim by the climate fanatics is that governments can regulate the climate by making laws. THAT is where call out the nonsense.

That [manmade climate change] is a political claim, not a fact. And even if it was a fact, there is no way politicians can change that with laws. 

Alas, gullible children are indoctrinated with these claims by the globalist left.

There are few facts in science, WillieB, but the weight of scientific of opinion is that the rate of climate change is faster than we have seen historically and that humans are making a significant contribution to it. You can deny scientific opinion, just like some deny evolution, but it is from a non-scientific position - climate change denial is nearly always political, not scientific.

Politicians can reduce man made climate change with laws - we know the substances that contribute to it (particularly CO2), and can take steps to limit emissions with laws. I’m not sure why you think that they couldn’t.

Yes, children are influenced by the weight of scientific opinion. I would be concerned if they weren’t and had weird unscientific views like anti-vaxxers and flat earthers. All she is doing is passionately expressing the view that science has been telling us for years, while the rest of the world puts its fingers in its ears and goes, “La la la, I can’t hear you”.

There is a chance, a small chance, that the scientific opinion and observed observations are all wrong and the middle aged folk who are too selfish to change their lifestyles may be right, but I do not want to take that risk.

And in 100 years, the youth will be angrily protesting “how dare you deny us the right to eat meat. How dare you deprive us of the dietary traditions of our ancestors. Meat is healthy and environmentally sustainable, and contains nutrients that are not obtainable through plants.”

If only - more likely they will be spitting on our graves for being too selfish to change the way we consume the world's limited resources and for screwing up the climate.

Ah so:

There are few facts in science, WillieB, but the weight of scientific of opinion is that the rate of climate change is faster than we have seen historically

I bet my breakfast that you are not a climate scientist yourself, and if you take your strong opinions from the propaganda outfits like the IPPC or CNN, I rest my case.

Politicians can reduce man made climate change with laws - we know the substances that contribute to it (particularly CO2), and can take steps to limit emissions with laws. I’m not sure why you think that they couldn’t.

They can´t because modern society depends on fossil fuels. And especially if at the same you want to reduce emissions you also want to have economic growth, more production, more consumption, plus population growth. It is the old having your cake and eating it.

Plus, OK, lets just assume as a though experiment that the US and Europe don´t exist. Just take them off the map. Non existant, zero climate impact. Would that mean that the remaining 1300 billioni barrels oil will not be consumed? Of course not because China, India, and Africa (with a population projected to grow from 2 billion to 8 billion in the next 50 years) are going to consume them.

So enjoy your windmill fairy tales, but do NOT try to present them as as serious politics

@zichi

Why would you knowingly release dangerous chemicals into a public water system?

Why would you knowingly release dangerous chemicals into a public water system?

In China that would be par for the course. In the West, it seems to me, there a ways to prevent this by alerting media and authorities.