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Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize-winning wonder drug – but not for COVID-19

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There you go. Hopefully that puts an end to the incessant promotion of Ivermectin as a prophylactic or an early therapeutic by several of the regular posters on this website. The words 'Dubious intentions' somewhat summed it all up. Excellent article JT.

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theResident........

You think the anti vaccine "cultists" are interested in "real research" or science? :)

I'm looking forward to the comments on this one.

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It’s not meant to be prescribed by parasites looking to extract money from desperate people during a pandemic.

This out-of-patent drug costs pennies to produce and sell. Nobody is getting rich from it.... unlike with the vaccines.

But perhaps this Associate Professor at U of Connecticut should translate this into Japanese and explain his highly scientific research findings to both Dr. Haruo Ozaki (head of the Tokyo Medical Association) and Dr. Satoshi Omura (the man who discovered and developed ivermectin), since both of these doctors believe ivermectin should be used in treating Covid-19.

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Mr KiplingToday 

theResident........

You think the anti vaccine "cultists" are interested in "real research" or science? :)

Exactly which part of this article contains "real research" instead of re-purposed talking points, speculation, and uncited claims?

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divinda....

Dr. Haruo Ozaki (head of the Tokyo Medical Association) and Dr. Satoshi Omura (the man who discovered and developed ivermectin), since both of these doctors believe ivermectin should be used in treating Covid-19.

Except, that is not what they believe. When Ivermecin was first touted as beneficial, Dr Ozaki said it was worth looking into. (As any reasonable medical professional would). But this is misquoted by the fanboys to give credibility.... Good news is that moderate doses of Ivermecin don't do any harm so help yourselves.

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Ozaki said it should be distributed for use immediately

今こそイベルメクチンを使えhttps://www.yomiuri.co.jp/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/

I don't care for these terrible Western 'experts' who even overlooked aspirin as a useful tool, deadly fools the lot of them

https://m.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/aspirin-lowers-risk-of-covid-new-findings-support-preliminary-israeli-trial-681127

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Except, that is not what they believe. When Ivermecin was first touted as beneficial, Dr Ozaki said it was worth looking into. (As any reasonable medical professional would). But this is misquoted by the fanboys to give credibility...

"Worth looking into"... and then what did he say?

On August 13, 2021 (2 months ago) Dr. Ozaki held an emergency press conference at which point he stated that even though ivermectin needs to be studied more, it is OK for it to now be offered for treatment of Covid with informed consent.

So as not to be a fanboy and misquote, his exact words:

"治験をしっかりやって検討が必要だが、患者さんにインフォームドコンセントをした上で、使用許可を認めていただいても良い段階に来ているのではないか"

https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/123988

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Mr Kipling: Me too :)

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That's the most sensible thing you have said all year Burning Bush. On that basis, I hope you will stop attempting to prevent people from making their own choice about having the vaccine rather than you scaremongering about said product. Don't interfere in our choices and I'm quite sure we will stop interfering in yours.

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Not a single peer-reviewed scientific paper showing Ivermectin prevents or cures covid just many fake unproven ones which need worming out.

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Seems the anti-Ivermectin cult doesn't understand science, which is system of ongoing inquiry. Very unscientific to be so fervently against people trying possible alternative treatments to Covid, especially one that is supported and overseen by so many doctors. What is it with the anti-Ivermectin cult? Why would somebody build a cult around somebody else's choice of medical care? Odd.

For those who think they understand science, look at the top of this article, the word just above the headline that describes what category this article falls under. That's right: "Opinons"

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Where Ivermectin is being used in India, deaths have dropped to near zero. Tired of seeing these articles on Covid from USA so called experts and Universities who promote the vaccine agenda. There are thousands of front line doctors, nurses and experts in viruses who are telling the truth on what is happening around the world but the news media only silence them.

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Yep bloke down the pub called Ripley was telling us all about Ivermectin being administered in India and Japan where covid has almost dissapeared just like that said another called forest

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The supporters of Ivermectin should be able to post a link to at least one peer-reviewed paper showing it works for covid. That is science, not speculation.

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The supporters of Ivermectin should be able to post a link to at least one peer-reviewed paper showing it works for covid

Maybe you need a better understanding of what peer review (and science) is. I posted an article from the NYT, not because the are reputable (they are clearly not), but because they represent the views of the state and pro-vaccine corporate media.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/upshot/peer-review-the-worst-way-to-judge-research-except-for-all-the-others.html

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Maybe you need a better understanding of what peer review (and science) is

I know what peer-review papers are, and science too since I studied it for my work in various fields including being a microscopist in an analysis lab.

The peer-review is the procedure agreed by scientists and science institutions.

With the Ivermectin there is not even one real science paper showing the data that it works for covid.

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Zichi...

Not a single peer-reviewed scientific paper showing Ivermectin prevents or cures covid just many fake unproven ones which need worming out.

Not only that but the original "trials" that seem to show advantage have been withdrawn by the authors.

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commanteer

I wait for your link to a science and data paper showing Ivermectin works for covid. No newspaper links, please.

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With the Ivermectin there is not even one real science paper showing the data that it works for covid.

Maybe it's a perception thing and the anti-parasitic Ivermectin is not working so much to clear up covid as it is in clearing up a parasite problem instead? Parasites are extremely common and will cause the same symptoms as covid. Vic.M noted above that ..

Where Ivermectin is being used in India, deaths have dropped to near zero.

I'm sure there's no shortage of people suffering from infestations of parasites in that country. Why does it have to be covid, especially when one knows how ineffective the PCR is? Even its inventor said it should not be used to diagnose infectious diseases.

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With the Ivermectin there is not even one real science paper showing the data that it works for covid.

As is usually the case with new treatments. It takes time to develop a body of studies that will be accepted - especially when the scientists who must accept it are mostly dependent on grants from companies that would lose billions in profits if Ivermectin were proven effective.

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The supporters of Ivermectin should be able to post a link to at least one peer-reviewed paper showing it works for covid. That is science, not speculation.

They can't because there isn't one.

There have been two trials, one in the states and one in Canada both showed zero benefit. Another larger trial is winding up now in Oxford UK...... This should put the argument to bed.

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commanteer

With the Ivermectin there is not even one real science paper showing the data that it works for covid.

As is usually the case with new treatments. It takes time to develop a body of studies that will be accepted - especially when the scientists who must accept it are mostly dependent on grants from companies that would lose billions in profits if Ivermectin were proven effective.

It's not a new treatment until tested and approved. The covid vaccinations were approved for experimental use and now have approval for covid prevention.

Until there is a body of study it can not be recommended to be taken for covid. Not all scientists involved in studies work for the pharmaceutical companies, many more do not. Many work in university hospitals or universities and independent companies and labs.

AstraZeneca is making and selling their vaccine for cost prices.

So far you have made claims about Ivermectin but have been unable to provide any data or evidence that it works.

My statement was, which you challenged, is there is no data or evidence that Ivermectin works to prevent or cure covid. There are thousands of fake claims and reports on social networks which are putting lives in danger.

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I won't believe anything unless it's been verified by the resident experts here.

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No more better example of the utter delusion of MAGA-world than their belief that Clorox, blue lights, HCQ, and horse dewormer are more effective in treating COVID than scientifically-validated vaccines....

I'm still convinced this whole "Ivermectin is a cure" narrative was started as a joke by John Stewart and Stephen Colbert....

"Hey, lets put a fake news story on Fox, Newsmaxx, and OANN that says horse dewormer cures COVID, and see if they're stupid enough to fall for it"....

They got their answer...

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It's not a new treatment until tested and approved.

Maybe for you, but obviously not for others who wish to try it. I see no reason to interfere in the personal medical decisions of strangers.

The covid vaccinations were approved for experimental use and now have approval for covid prevention.

They have also been approved for 12 year olds, despite the risk of the vaccine being far greater for them than the risk of dying from Covid. Pharmaceutical companies have a proven record of lying and falsifying. They pay millions in fines because they make billions in profits.

I am not begrudging you your decision, but one only needs to see the hysterical "horse-dewormer" posts here to the inane irrationality of most of the case against Ivermectin. Again, no judgment. Everybody must make their own decision. The crime is when they are not allowed to.

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They have also been approved for 12 year olds, despite the risk of the vaccine being far greater for them than the risk of dying from Covid. Pharmaceutical companies have a proven record of lying and falsifying. They pay millions in fines because they make billions in profits.

Absolutely...that's why smallpox, polio, tuberculosis, and diphtheria are still raging epidemics today...

I am not begrudging you your decision, but one only needs to see the hysterical "horse-dewormer" posts here to the inane irrationality of most of the case against Ivermectin. Again, no judgment. Everybody must make their own decision. The crime is when they are not allowed to.

You know, it always helps to read the article before posting;

*Ivermectin was first identified in the 1970s during a veterinary drug screening project at Merck Pharmaceuticals. Researchers focused on discovering chemicals that could potentially treat parasitic infections in animals. Common parasites include nematodes, such as flatworms and roundworms, and arthropods, such as fleas and lice.*

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Who would benefit most if (and it doesn't) Ivermectin had any use as a treatment or prevention of Covid-19? Well, probably its maker, Merck. The same Merck who have stated that it has NO USE for Covid treatment. But still, it won't do you any harm at a regular doses and will clear up any worm and parasite problems you may have.

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Mr KiplingToday  12:51 pm JST

Who would benefit most if (and it doesn't) Ivermectin had any use as a treatment or prevention of Covid-19? Well, probably its maker, Merck. The same Merck who have stated that it has NO USE for Covid treatment. But still, it won't do you any harm at a regular doses and will clear up any worm and parasite problems you may have.

Merck got a licence to make the J&J vaccine. While their contract would of course be commercial in confidence, it's not outside the realm of reason to surmise that a condition of getting that very lucrative contract would be the Merck could not produce a competing product. Especially when you consider these vaccines only got emergency use authorisation assuming there were no existing, available treatments.

Ivermectin could be considered a competing product, so it's in Merck's financial best interests to disparage it in order to honour its contract with J&J, instead of promote an out of-patent medicine with a tiny profit margin.

Opponents of ivermectin try to portray this as a left-good/right-bad thing, hence the intense politicisation of the issue and the laughable and quickly debunked denouncement in left-wing media of people taking "horse dewormer"! Joe Rogan forced CNN medico Sanjay Gupta to concede the other day that CNN had intentionally lied about it in an attempt to discredit the drug.

But it's not about left vs right.

It's true vs false.

And right now doctors out in the field prescribing ivermectin in combination with other drugs to nip the virus in the bud at early onset are getting excellent results.

This war on ivermectin is partly about protecting pharma company profits, and partly about hammering down resistance to de facto mandatory vaccination in order to de-facto enforce vaccine passports for everyday life.

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Merck got a licence to make the J&J vaccine. 

What importance this have for the same declarations from other companies that also produce the drug? Your point losses completely its value when other producers have made clear that their product is worthless against COVID, even when they gain nothing from this and instead would lose from people not buying their ivermectin.

Opponents of ivermectin try to portray this as a left-good/right-bad thing

Not at all, if you go to scientific sources (the only ones you should actually consult) left and right have no importance, scientific evidence and valid methodologies demonstrate ivermectin has no value against COVID, and incomplete, fabricated and manipulated studies have been used to try to "prove" the contrary just to be discarded by the self-correcting properties of the scientific method, as easy as that.

And right now doctors out in the field prescribing ivermectin in combination with other drugs to nip the virus in the bud at early onset are getting excellent results.

And so are doctors that dont prescribe any ivermectin, which means the drug gives no advantage. This (an increase of benefits only when using the drug) is the evidence that is lacking and that makes it clear that the drug offers no advantage, saying that people get better when receiving proper treatment (with or without ivermectin) helps nothing to prove it has any role.

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Express sisterToday  01:12 pm JST

But the truth is, anti-vax whack jobs will seek anything to avoid science. Drinking bleach. Kissing crystals. Wiggling before the moon.

Anything to avoid confronting facts. Because if they do, the facts will prove them wrong. Worse, they'll prove their far-right masters wrong. Then they might have to confront the idea that maybe, maybe, the neoliberal ideology that has brutalized them, reduced their wages, hurt their families, and made them deeply unhappy, might be wrong, and that they were wrong to dedicate their lives to it.

But that's too hard. Let's just drink bleach and yell at immigrants instead.

When you're completely devoid of an argument, just attack the people instead. Very mature.

Moderator, given the irrelevant, fact-free diatribe Express sister posted, at least be consistent when you delete a post for being "Impolite to other user". Just delete her post or leave my reply up. But just for once, be consistent.

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''This war on ivermectin is partly about protecting pharma company profits, and partly about hammering down resistance to de facto mandatory vaccination in order to de-facto enforce vaccine passports for everyday life''

Come on Buddy - There is no 'war' on Ivermectin. That's a little extreme. Today's article merely confirms what the world knows. Ivermectin is NOT a treatment/therapeutic for early Covid 19. Paracetamol and Aspirin lower your fever and relieve body aches, but that doesn't make them a cure. It does however make them a therapeutic.

Give it up,admit you're wrong. Nobody is asking you to get vaccinated - that's your choice. Its your choice to try Ivermectin, bad that's fine but stop with your 'war' BS.

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Maybe for you, but obviously not for others who wish to try it. I see no reason to interfere in the personal medical decisions of strangers.

You don't because you don't have that responsability, but the people that do have it definitely see a reason, if something has risks and offers no benefit to a patient the only professional thing a health care provider can do is to interfere when others less prepared (or that have interest different from the health of the patient)

They have also been approved for 12 year olds, despite the risk of the vaccine being far greater for them than the risk of dying from Covid.

Any source to prove this? because it runs contrary to the available information and that would make it completely mistaken. The very rare risks from COVID are still much higher than what can be identirifed from the vaccination.

Where Ivermectin is being used in India, deaths have dropped to near zero. 

That has been clearly debunked from some time ago.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/theres-no-proof-that-hydroxychloroquine-or-ivermectin-caused-a-drop-in-cases-in-india/

There are thousands of front line doctors, nurses and experts in viruses who are telling the truth on what is happening around the world but the news media only silence them.

If they are completely unable to provide scientific proof of their cliams it is not the media that silences them, they are simply not able to accept that their own personal biased experience is not enough to disprove the accumulated scientific evidence, that clearly points to a lack of effect. There are much more doctors that treat most of their patients very successfully without ever needing ivermectin for it.

Seems the anti-Ivermectin cult doesn't understand science, which is system of ongoing inquiry.

That would be the opposite, people that get fixed on cherry picked preliminary studies and refuse to accept that better studies with bigger samples and more detailed methods debunked the first reports became the standard that prove the lack of efficacy from ivermectin. Science is not a democracy where the number of doctors supporting something matters, in science is the evidence that does, so if a million doctors go against the evidence produced by one thousand of experts that still means the million doctors are wrong, and will continue to be wrong unless they produce more and better data to prove their points, right now no one of the people that support the use of ivermectin have done it.

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Seems the "horse deworming" attacks backfired, so now they're trying a slightly different approach.

They really need to continue attacking IVM because the vaccines have not had the desired effect and IVM has been shown to be more effective than Merck's new anti-Covid drug, but without the high cost, health concerns, or the possible risks of causing additional variants.

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This war on ivermectin is partly about protecting pharma company profits, 

So you really believe that govts are deliberately losing trillions to protect big pharma's profits of billions

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Butt @Raw Beer - We are not 'attacking' Ivermectin. Nor favouring other drugs over it. It has been shown to do a lot of good for many things., but sadly like so many other drugs, nothing for Covid.

It was mooted around for years as a potential treatment for Influenza and HIV too . It wasn't. This obsession will soon pass.

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Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were two of those drugs. They were chosen because of possible antiviral effects documented in laboratory studies and limited anecdotal case reports from the first COVID-19 outbreaks in China. However, large clinical studies of these drugs to treat COVID-19 did not translate to any meaningful benefits.

Yeah, those large clinical trials were designed to fail. Instead of treating early with low doses, they treated late-stage patients with large doses (several times the recommended max dose), so of course they got negative results.

There is more than enough evidence confirming the effectiveness of HCQ and IVM.

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'Yeah, those large clinical trials were designed to fail'

You see, this is the mystery to 99% of us. Why would anyone do that?

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We are not 'attacking' Ivermectin. Nor favouring other drugs over it.

When you have someone like Joe Rogan being prescribed by a Dr. (not a vet) IVM for humans and all the MSM talks about him taking horse dewormer. And the MSM lying about shooting victims not being able to get to the emergency because it was filled with horse-dewormer overdoses.

People that actually treat Covid patients with IVM find it very effective, but they are constantly attacked. Their videos deleted....

Even Pierre Kory's testimony (in front of senate?) was deleted!

If anyone really wants to learn about IVM, they should visit the FLCCC (https://covid19criticalcare.com/)

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commanteer

I have not heard of anyone banned from buying Ivermectin. I read many false statements and fake facts on par with the fake conspiracies about the covid vaccine.

Pharmaceutical companies have a proven record of lying and falsifying. They pay millions in fines because they make billions in profits.

Research by pharmaceutical companies and the investments of hundreds of billions of dollars, the drugs they produced save hundreds of millions of lives every year.

Children have been prescribed a range of vaccines to protect themselves and other children at schools across the nation. They are a lawful requirement. For more than 70 years.

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I'm sorry @Raw Beer. Someone like Joe Rogan? You mean the Comedian and UFC Commentator? This is someone who I should be taking seriously when it comes to recommendations about my health? So,if Joe Rogan tells you to swallow bleach you'll do as he says? Ok.

People that actually treat Covid patients with IVM find it very effective, but they are constantly attacked. Their videos deleted....

Why?

I have visited the FLCCC website - they also feature heavily on the 'Bitchute' website, which I suspect you know is known for some rather unsavoury opinions.

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So governments know that ivermectin works but they are waging a war on ivermectin just so they could protect big pharma's profits of billions, in the process tanking their economies and losing trillions.

Ok so they eschew cheap ivermectin to protect big pharma vaccines and other costly treatments.

How about the countries that have no/limited access to vaccines? Why aren't they using ivermectin?

Surely they'll be using it if they have no vaccines right?

So why aren't we hearing about big results?

Surely there should a lot of them by now not just "India"

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Exactly @ian, I 100% agree with you. The first drug that ACTUALLY helped anyone in any meaningful way was Dexamethasone which is dirt cheap. Governments embraced it with open arms. Why? Because it worked on those critically ill. Fact.

I know- Lets crash the worlds biggest economies and deliberately 'fail' large scale clinical trials for the hell of it! Great. Completely irrational thinking to think this was the case.

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Even Merck says that ivermectin is of no use in treating COVID. And yet people keep plugging it… and what a great approach it is to an argument if all the objective scientific evidence is against you, to insist that that’s because of world government-Big Pharma conspiracy, or because tests were designed to fail, or it’s the MSM that won’t report it, or whatever the other nonsense story of the day is. Truly pathetic.

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ianToday  04:16 pm JST

So governments know that ivermectin works but they are waging a war on ivermectin just so they could protect big pharma's profits of billions, in the process tanking their economies and losing trillions.

Are you really that naive to think that governments, regardless of party for the most part, are deeply concerned about how much they spend on anything? They either print money like it's going out of fashion or borrow like there's no tomorrow, knowing that they won't be around to pay the piper. They're insulated more or less from the effects of their policies, and can always find funds to pay for some boondoggle that benefits their friends while cutting back on/banning something else to punish their enemies or just because it's not electorally expedient. Cynical outlook I know, but governments only have themselves to blame for it. Pointless wars have been fought to protect the interests of friends of governments (think both the Gulf Wars, Afghanistan) and these cost trillions, not to mentionable the lives needlessly sacrificed along the way. But they get away with it basically scot-free.

Hey, if you really think your government cares a whit about you, that's your prerogative. Of course, that's not everyone who works in government, but enough of them to make a difference. So try being a doctor who wants to help their patients with medications that are safe and effective but are told they'll be deregistered for doing so. The weight of propaganda comes down on you like a ton of brick for daring to challenge the people who purport to call the shots.

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The biggest numbers of internet trolls have been the covid and drugs like Invermactin.

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Are you really that naive to think that governments, regardless of party for the most part, are deeply concerned about how much they spend on anything? 

So you really think that the govt will deliberately tank the economy so the drug companies can sell their vaccines.

There's no point to reading further =)

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And right now doctors out in the field prescribing ivermectin in combination with other drugs to nip the virus in the bud at early onset are getting excellent results.

Link to a verified study to prove what you said.

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ianToday  05:55 pm JST

Are you really that naive to think that governments, regardless of party for the most part, are deeply concerned about how much they spend on anything? 

So you really think that the govt will deliberately tank the economy so the drug companies can sell their vaccines.

There's no point to reading further =)

Suit yourself. It's not so much that they're deliberately tanking it, more that they don't care if it tanks. It seems you don;t really understand the psychology of people who rise to that level in politics. You essentially have to be a sociopath or psychopath - or willing to completely sell your soul. There are exceptions, but they're rare.

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Even Merck says that ivermectin is of no use in treating COVID.

Yes, they announced that while they were carrying out trials on their new drug that would be sold at a 100-fold higher price....

How about the countries that have no/limited access to vaccines? Why aren't they using ivermectin?

Many of them are...

I have visited the FLCCC website - they also feature heavily on the 'Bitchute' website, which I suspect you know is known for some rather unsavoury opinions.

Yeah, they are on Bitchute because they can't be on Youtube.....

Someone like Joe Rogan? You mean the Comedian and UFC Commentator? This is someone who I should be taking seriously when it comes to recommendations about my health?

Yeah, he's also one of the most popular podcasters. He has some great guests that can be very informative. He recently had CNN's Sanjay Gupta; that was quite interesting seeing him try to excuse CNN's actions. Before that, he had Alex Berenson; I highly recommend that one.

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How about the countries that have no/limited access to vaccines? Why aren't they using ivermectin?

Many of them are...

Well why aren't you telling us the great results?

No need to really tell just links would be enough

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The study that the Ivermectin hype was primarily built on has since been withdrawn by the authors. WITHDRAWN as in they, the writers themselves, no longer agree with its findings. The methodology was flawed, Data was "repeated" and my favorite, in one of the trials, a number of the covid patients were NOT actually tested for the virus but had "covid like symptoms".

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https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

-No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; 

-No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; 

-A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

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At the time of this writing, two large randomizedclinical trials both showed no significant benefit from the use of ivermectin for COVID-19. 

If one of these was the Together trial, then it actually showed an 18% lower mortality in the very-tiny-ivermectin-dose group, compared to the placebo group. But soft subjective inclusion criteria and soft subjective primary endpoint after what looks like mid-trial protocol change, apparent randomization anomalies etc do not seem to make Together a useful trial.

Studies of IVM in various RNA virus infections started in 2011 or earlier, the 2020 in vitro was a quite late event in its viral career actually .

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Ivermectin is not proven for covid but anti-vaxxers are willing to take it rather than the covid vaccine.

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Ivermectin is proven to help with Covid with no risk, but the vax pushers would rather you inject a gene therapy into your life that is still experimental no matter what some governments say.

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No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; 

-No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; 

-A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

Really. So why then did the WHO include ivermectin into their Covid aid kits in India? You have seen the stats in India of Covid decline with the use of ivermectin, haven’t you?

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Before that, he had Alex Berenson; I highly recommend that one.

You mean the pulp novel writer and Fox News wannabe?

Joe Rogan and Alex Berenson.

The alternative media crowd are clutching at straws here.

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I am over worrying about this. If you want to take this, I suggest you get a prescription from you doctor and take the form approved for humans. It appears that there are few side effects in such case. People take all kinds of useless supplements spending billions.

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Reckless:

Agreed. The only problem with this is that those who push ivermectin and other unproven alternatives are also the same people who actively try and discourage others from taking something that works - i.e. the vaccines. Otherwise, sure, let the ivermectinites go down the chute in their own preferred fashion.

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Unfortunately, many organizations with dubious intentions have continued to promote unsubstantiated use of invermectin for COVID-19. This has led to a dramatic rise in ivermectin prescriptions and a flood of calls to U.S. poison control centers for ivermectin overdoses.

I doubt that claim very much. Hardly any medical doctor would write an overdose presciption for a well-understood drug. Some people might overdose if they self-medicate, but that sort of people are likely to make a lot of other stupid mistakes.

Unless the write has a link to this "flood of calls", I call nonsense on this.

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Hardly any medical doctor would write an overdose presciption for a well-understood drug.

Part of what makes it well understood is the knowledge that the normal dose for some people is an overdose for others, because the tolerance is extremely variable. Coupled with the lack of benefit of using it against COVID this is why actual professionals refrain from prescribing any dose of it.

Then drop the vaccine mandates.

You don't see any of us trying to impose Ivermectin mandates on anyone.

Medical interventions that have demonstrated to reduce the risk for the person taking it and others can legally be made a requirement for activities, drugs that have no benefit and instead risks can't, and even more can be forbidden to be used to protect the patients, for the same reason snake oil can't be used.

You have seen the stats in India of Covid decline with the use of ivermectin, haven’t you?

Everybody has, that is why it is easy to see it is not related, as already posted here.

Ivermectin is proven to help with Covid with no risk,

Exactly the opposite, it has been proved scientifically not to offer any benefti and it has risks.

Many of them are...

The problem is that none of them can provide actual data to prove it helps in anything but to pretend to do something, at least not without using false and manipulated data that makes the reports be retracted once discovered.

People that actually treat Covid patients with IVM find it very effective, but they are constantly attacked. Their videos deleted....

Since they are completely unable to provide even simple scientifically valid data this is completely based on trusting them, which obviously makes no sense. Once they justify themselves lying and manipulating the actual data that disprove them obviously enough for their videos to be deleted they are already on the opposite side of public health. Not only they are unable to put forward an actual scientific report, they are even unable to put a video without lying.

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