Not everyone is male or female – the growing controversy over sex designation

Kleinfelter syndrome is a condition of males. They are still males, but with some physical and sometimes cognitive problems. An extra x chromosome does not change or alter their sex.

Turner syndrome is a female condition that does not alter their sex. It’s a condition causing developmental and physical conditions.

Neither are a third sex other than male and female.

Nice try.

People with Liberal Arts degrees should not be redefining Scientific Terms, leave that to trained Biologists

Above article written by Harvard and Boston Professors of gynecology and medicine. They most certainly know more about this than you or I. Leave that to them.

This is as simple as telling your right hand from the left one.

Everybody in this planet is born either male or female, except those born with both organs.

Saying the opposite is like saying that a born female dog could actually be a male dog, and vice versa.

If that person later on wants to change his or her body parts, that's their own choice and personal life. Genetically, tho, they're still the gender they were born.

Nature makes the call from birth.

Live with this fact.

Germaine Greer......

‘I’ve asked my doctor to give me long ears and liver spots and I’m going to wear a brown coat but that won’t turn me into a cocker spaniel,’

Females in the species carry XX genes and reproduce via an ovum.

Males in the species carry XY genes and reproduce via sperm.

Do you know what Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome or "AIS" is? All fetuses start out with female genitals regardless of their genetic sex. For males there is a burst of androgen around the 6th week of a pregnancy that causes the female genitals to change into male genitals. Sometimes the fetus doesn't respond fully or at all to the burst of androgen and the baby, who is genetically male with XY chromosomes, can be born with fully female physical features, or with a mixture of male and female parts.

Males can also be born XXY. Individuals with XXY syndrome may experience a variety of signs and symptoms prior to discovering they may be infertile. Most adolescent males may exhibit abnormal physical proportions affecting their trunk and limbs, such as an abnormally short trunk and long limbs. Many with XXY syndrome are often considered of above average height when compared to their peers. An individual may also have excessively small genitalia and present with breasts, a condition known as gynecomastia. Additionally, he may lack hair in traditional areas, such as the face and pubic region.

If that person later on wants to change his or her body parts, that's their own choice and personal life. Genetically, tho, they're still the gender they were born.

The whole point of the article was to point out that a proportion of individuals are born with a little of both. Their gender is not well defined and unambiguous. For some a surgeon assigns a sex at birth and the infant is never consulted, but is later expected to live with the arbitrary choice of a clinician who doesn't have any idea how the infant they just sliced and diced is going to grow up. Think of sexuality like you think of the Confucian concept of Yin-Yang. The boundary between light and dark, male and female, is wavy and vague, and there is a little bit of dark in the light and a little bit of light in the dark. Human sexuality is not hard and fast binary, no exceptions, and everyone is a little bit different in that regard.

People with Liberal Arts degrees should not be redefining Scientific Terms, leave that to trained Biologists.

You have strong opinions on the matter. Very predictable ones I might add.

Do you have training and qualifications in this area? I have a degree in physics, obviously not a liberal arts degree, and I’m not qualified in the slightest to comment on this issue.

This is a matter for people with expertise in the field.

What’s your background?

Above article written by Harvard and Boston Professors of gynecology and medicine. They most certainly know more about this than you or I. Leave that to them.

Yep.

I wish people would keep ideologies, left or right, religious or otherwise, out of these matters.

So unhelpful.

what kind of "info" is that and why its considered as "newsworthy"?

there are males and females in this world - end of any "science".

Any human being can Identity to whatever they want to be. That is there right. and I would defend that right.

What I will never defend, when enjoying a trip to an onsen with my nieces, to be confronted with a male contending to be a women that is a red line.

BroncoToday  07:31 am JST

Homo Sapiens are classified as Primates.

All Primates are classified as mammals.

All mammals are sexually dimorphic.

Females in the species carry XX genes and reproduce via an ovum.

Males in the species carry XY genes and reproduce via sperm.

People with Liberal Arts degrees should not be redefining Scientific Terms, leave that to trained Biologists.

That's biology, it's natural. And if a person thinks s/he is the opposite sex then make that change (get the surgeries) and then we'll know. As it is, this idea of a 'woman in a man's body' doesn't really make sense. No other species have that condition and we are spirits in the material world - and the Police said that 40 years ago.

Point being, exactly what? Biology is complex. Once in the realm of 'culture' it becomes something altogether different.

Amazing how fearful many people are, and how they'll argue their opinion on these matters, despite the fact that none of it matters to them in any way.

If you lived your entire life, and on your deathbed, you discover that a favorite movie star (that you never met in person) was a different gender than what you thought; does it actually matter? Does it change anything? Why does anyone care?

The girls who have to compete against men for sports scholarships care.

Like it is the case of swimmer Lia Thomas, a man who now destroys women in their sport.

Above article written by Harvard and Boston Professors of gynecology and medicine. They most certainly know more about this than you or I. Leave that to them.

Appeal to authority fallacy, and not even a persuasive one given how the above article didn't actually rely on hard science to prove anything. Citing genetic disorders as proof that humans aren't sexually dimorphic is downright insulting to everyone's intelligence and an insult towards anyone with those conditions that doesn't agree with this agenda.

the science!

oh wait.....not this time. Its whatever you "feel".

Appeal to authority fallacy

You know who decides science?

Scientists.

When your research is ready let us know.

Was just streaming an episode of Cold Case Files the other day. Detectives broke the 30 year old case by doing a modern dna test on the old cotton swabs taken from the crime scene long ago. The dna came back to belong to a male. 

I heard all the real experts watch CSI:Miami.

Interesting how the left wants you to follow science when it's convenient to them, but if it's about XX o XY everything is subjective.

This is as easy as : ' if it hangs you're a lad, if it's got flaps you're a gal'

Seems the authors here want to obfuscate two different things. Yes, biological sex deviations do occur (like XXY genes), but they should be dealt with individually. That is completely different from the woke agenda that wants to define sex a question of "identity" rather than objective criteria. Which is wrong on so many levels I cant even start to list them all.

This is as easy as : ' if it hangs you're a lad, if it's got flaps you're a gal'

I’m tired of all these durn experts. I got as much right to fly this plane as anybody!

At the end of the day, I feel this issue can't possibly be addressed by just the identification of gender on an ID card. Even in a world with a sliding scale under gender and there is a infinitely accurate indicator to your gender, being different is different culturally.

Being "similiar" to 50% of the population is going to be different than being similar to say .5% of the population culturally.

MatToday  03:17 pm JST

Amazing how fearful many people are, and how they'll argue their opinion on these matters, despite the fact that none of it matters to them in any way.

It may not matter individually, but it does matter to a society when people become evangelical and shove their sexual preferences down the throats of everyone constantly.

You never hear a heterosexual person start any conversation about their partner. Yet, non-heterosexual people can’t seem to go two sentences into a conversation without announcing that they’re gay, lesbian, queer, etc.

This article is utter tripe. You are either a man or a woman, and this is decided at birth. Those people who are not happy with what they are should be treated with the sympathy afforded to all those suffering from mental illness and should receive psychiatric support. The idea of changing your sex is as ludicrous as deciding you want to be a giraffe.

Read the article. 1.7% of the population. Physical, not mental.

Did you read the paragraph about surgery on newborns to reduce clitoris size? Is that imaginary?

The (tiny number of) exceptions do not prove the rule.

This is as easy as : ' if it hangs you're a lad, if it's got flaps you're a gal'

And what happens if you are born with both? That happens too.

The (tiny number of) exceptions do not prove the rule.

The exceptions show that a rigidly dimorphic view of human sexuality is not supported by science. It is not true for everyone but it is true for some. Open your eyes and see the world for what it is, not what you want it to be.

You never hear a heterosexual person start any conversation about their partner. 

Oh bs. Women and men both brag about their sexual conquests and gossip endlessly about who is sleeping with who, or speculating about how someone performs in the sack. That's all some men talk about. "Hey, did you get any last night?" Don't tell me you never heard a guy ask his buddy this after a night out clubbing.

This article is utter tripe. You are either a man or a woman, and this is decided at birth. 

A small proportion of infants are born with both male and female gonads. Sometimes a person with AIS will be born externally female, but genetically male. They may have testes where ovaries should be or they may have what are called "smear gonad" that are not fully developed anything and usually have to be removed due to a high risk of them developing cancer. Some individuals are born with both a penis and a vagina. Sex is decided at birth? Really? No, what has been happening is surgeons make a decision and then do plastic surgery on the infant to assign them the physical attributes of a particular sex, but the kid has not lived long enough to develop their personality and understand what their sexuality is. There is no guarantee the doctor will get it right with a newborn, matching the physical sex to their sexual orientation.

Male/Female and that's it, anything else is just whatever you want it to be. When men start giving birth to children and women can produce semen, I will gladly and happily apologize, until then, follow nature and follow the science.

Even when academics across the fields of biology, gynecology, psychology, sociology, and medicine clearly spell out why sex characteristics aren't reliable in determining either sex or gender, and further there is not a male/female dichotomy, we still have people who argue that they are. Clearly, this is purely out of personal prejudice and bigotry.

And no matter how often these fallcious arguments are repeated and regurgitated, they are not going to have any influence on the research results.

I know how hard it is to accept that getting angry and stamping your feet won't change science, but it's better to accept it and become a better human being.

El RataFeb. 14 08:19 pm JST

Interesting how the left wants you to follow science when it's convenient to them, but if it's about XX o XY everything is subjective.

This is as easy as : ' if it hangs you're a lad, if it's got flaps you're a gal'

How profound! Where did you say you got your medical degree from? Which journals have you published in, I'd love to read your research.

Sex is binary. You are either biologically male or female and you cannot change or ignore your biology

You are or you aren't.

There are only 2 sexes.

I know how hard it is to accept that getting angry and stamping your feet won't change science, but it's better to accept it and become a better human being.

lmao TERFs aren't interested in being better human beings. They're interested in hating people.

You are or you aren't.

There are only 2 sexes.

Sex is binary. You are either biologically male or female and you cannot change or ignore your biology

"Intersex people don't exist because it would be inconvenient to me if they did" - very smart people.

Male/Female and that's it, anything else is just whatever you want it to be. When men start giving birth to children and women can produce semen, I will gladly and happily apologize

Oh, neat. Trans women produce sperm, and trans men give birth.

I await your sincere apology with enthusiasm.

Being intersex and being trans are not the same thing. Intersex is to do with physical characteristics, not identity. Although intersex people can be born with both male and female reproductive organs, one is more dominant. For example, an intersex person who menstruates and has a child cannot produce sperm. Many intersex people do not like being appropriated by trans rights activists. Ask them.

LudditeFeb. 17 06:26 pm JST

Being intersex and being trans are not the same thing. Intersex is to do with physical characteristics, not identity. Although intersex people can be born with both male and female reproductive organs, one is more dominant. For example, an intersex person who menstruates and has a child cannot produce sperm. Many intersex people do not like being appropriated by trans rights activists. Ask them.

A lot of transpeople grew up having had their identity chosen for them at birth. Later in life, many of them end up changing the gender identity they were forcibly assigned, and go though many of the same traumas and experiences and the same prejudices experienced by transpeople. That's why they are often put into the same group as transpeople. After all, they are the I in LGBTQIA.

But you are right in that intersex people who were lucky enough not to be mutilated at birth and have their gender forcibly assigned will not have experienced the same problems. But honestly? If they get miffy about being being lumped in with transpoeple, I'd ask them why. They should be standing with them in solidarity, not complaining that they are being "appropriated".

For that matter, all of us should be standing in solidarity with transpeople.

LudditeFeb. 16 08:27 am JST

Sex is binary. You are either biologically male or female and you cannot change or ignore your biology

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> Tom SanFeb. 16 08:51 am JST

You are or you aren't.

There are only 2 sexes.

We sure do have a good number of medical professionals here at JT. Tell me, guys, where is your published research that contradicts the established science on this subject?

Oh, wait. ... you say you aren't experts?

You haven't published?

Oh. Well I guess that means you haven't a clue of what you're talking about, do you?