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It's a sad day in society when an old man can't even have an argument with his girlfriend without the results being public fodder. Of course what he said was nasty, more so because his young mistress is herself half African American. Just another old man being hit with the reality that his young arm candy may herself want a more, how can I say politely, "vigorous" lover. Sterling didn'T care if she cheated on him as long as she didn't publicly humiliate him about it afterwards.

I don't think a truly racist man would spend decades involved in a sport dominated by Black players. Nor would the NAACP feel compelled to nominate him for a Lifetime Achievement Award.

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Media trying to start a race war again. 8-)

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sterling also owns many apartment buildings in LA and had to pay $2.725 million to settle allegations that he refused to rent to blacks and hispanics. housing discrimination happens to non-japanese every day in japan, but its the US that has problems with racism? at least in the US people are held accountable.

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As a long time Clipper fan, Sterling being banned from the NBA and being forced to sell the team is the greatest thing that has ever happened for this franchise, for the league, and for our country. There is no room in this world for racism. Plain and simple.

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I don't think a truly racist man would spend decades involved in a sport dominated by Black players. Nor would the NAACP feel compelled to nominate him for a Lifetime Achievement Award.

A truly racist man feels that his race is superior and other races are inferior. In this case Sterling a White Jew feels that Black people are inferior. This feeling can manifest itself in many ways. Some want no association with the race they consider inferior. Others like in Sterling's case can associate so long as they remain in a position they consider superior.

This in no way means that all White Jews consider Black people inferior but it does give some an opportunity to focus on other issues like the fact that the girl tapped his private comments or that he shouldn't be punished for private thoughts.

A better question to me is why would a man who had EVERYTHING. Billions of dollars and not a want in the world be so focused on what his "friends" thought wrt to his girlfriend associating with Black people. And why this distaste for a group that brought him so much wealth?

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Most may not like what he said but the fact remains, what he said was a private conversation. We all have our own private conversations.

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I think that VR-WC said it best. After listening to the recording, there's no question that some of Sterling's remarks would be considered racist by the vast majority of people. That being said, what seemed much more apparent were Sterling's strong concerns, even insecurity, over being judged negatively by his peers for the actions and associations of his girlfriend, the character of whom is questionable at best.

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Racism has been a growing problem in the world for a long time and has a very long history. The real truth of the matter is that racism and discrimination is evident everywhere. It is only the degree that changes. Unfortunately it is the ignorant and those of low intellectual ability that are unable to suppress their animal instincts to be suspicious of anyone who is different.

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The strange thing is, this isn't actually new. Sterling has been in trouble with this before. As a slum lord, he was sued twice, in 2003 and 2006, for discrimination regarding tenants on his real estates. He settled both for large sums. But since nobody paid attention to the lowly Clippers, hardly any news came off it......... except for Bomani Jones - how Sterling affected the real world, where it really matters (as they say, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me" - it's not what he says but his actions):

http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/bomani-jones-shines-a-light-on-what-really-matters-with-donald-sterling.html

Bomani Jones was way ahead of everyone else on the horror show that is Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling. Jones wrote a column for ESPN.com’s Page 2 in 2006 with the headline, “Sterling’s racism should be news.” That was 8 years ago.

Sterling’s offensive and racist behavior has been well documented for years, but nobody did anything about it because it was secured safely away in the shadows of the NBA. A housing discrimination lawsuit just isn’t as sexy of a story as a secret audio tape captured by a model girlfriend.

Jones called into Highly Questionable co-host Dan Le Batard’s radio show and spoke truth to what’s really important in this story and what many people are missing. That the NBA, sponsors, and the media turned a blind eye to Sterling’s activities for many years while he was doing real damage to people’s lives. Jones speaks openly about housing discrimination and losing a friend in Chicago very recently over the issue. If you listen to one soundbyte or read one column about what’s really important in this mess, make it this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6bLKe9-Mto

"When all these guys get up here and stand on their soapbox and wag their fingers and start talking about ‘oh we won’t tolerate this racism, we won’t tolerate what Donald Sterling said’ what they’re not tolerating about Donald Sterling is the fact that what he said was impolite and what he said was gauche. That’s what their problem is."

"But when Donald Sterling was out here toying with people’s lives on things that really matter, in matters of life in death, the media, the NBA, these sponsors, and all these people now who want to get patted on the back for what good people they are didn’t say a mumblin’ word. They can all kiss my behind, every single one of them.”

As Jones also said to Le Batard, it’s not like he was showing any sort of remarkable foresight back in 2006 – these things were happening right under our noses, and yet everyone was willing to give Donald Sterling a pass.

There were no boycotts, no sponsorship dollars being removed, no outrage, no threats of legal action, no commissioner press conference when things really mattered. It took an audio recording of an old man lecturing his girlfriend about her Instagram page to get the machine up and running to do something.

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You can bet Lois Farakhan will be all over this- a white Jew making racial slurs against blacks......)

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In 2009, ESPN the Magazine ran a very long article on the sometimes virulent racism and misogyny practiced by Donald Sterling, asking the question on why he should be allowed to continue to own the Los Angeles Clippers. It appears that Sterling has never changed his ways since that article was published, and as a result when the audio of that conversation came out, the NBA had to act fast to stop what could have been huge PR damage to the league.

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Ridiculous double standard. What this guy said in private is extremely mellow compared to what rappers and the likes of Lousis Farrakhan spout in public. And HE gets lambasted?

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We have to snuff racism when it`s around. No good. That said, it has to go all ways no matter your ethnicity. Shortly after hearing about this I heard some black guy say that "there should be an all black league because of this." Yeah sure. White guy says it,,,woo! look out. Racism is a problem in America but it is often dealt with accordingly once it gets out.

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You know if this guy was on the right side of the political spectrum his first name would have been Republican, and not Donald.

I don't think most people realize how much wrong is going on with this issue. 1) Racist remarks by rich Liberal white guy 2) Gold-digging arm trophy 3) Conviction and vilification by illegally recorded private conversation 4) Old racist man, with a history of racist actions, going unpunished for many years 5) Old racist man getting award from NAACP even though he was a known racist

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the likes of Lousis Farrakhan spout in public

Louis Farrakhan? He is such a marginal figure, everyone knows he's a racist, he's called a racist ALL THE TIME. My goodness, that's the man's main reputation at this point!

Sterling gets to join that club - the pathetic, ugly old racist club. He's been there for a long time, now the whole world knows all about it.

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Ridiculous double standard. What this guy said in private is extremely mellow compared to what rappers and the likes of Lousis Farrakhan spout in public. And HE gets lambasted?

Which rapper owns a team? Which rapper talks about whites being sub-human? Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Gangsta rap at all, but Sterling who by the way is Jewish and who had a biracial girlfriend-Black/Mexican is so far off his rocker, NOT even in the same league. What makes him think that he's so much better than anybody else. He should be lambasted and while they're at it, get Sharpton and Jackson too.

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Sixty-seven years after Jackie Robinson famously broke baseball’s “color line” when he went to bat for the Brooklyn Dodgers, the specter of racism still looms large over U.S. professional sport—from outspoken billionaire franchise owners to foul-mouthed players and bigoted fans who spew xenophobic nonsense behind the anonymity of Twitter avatars.

I'm with 80393 above.

Ya, this is terrible and all, but we got ourselves a black president and many other visible minorities (and second language speaker success stories), whereas in Japan if a landlord doesn't want to rent to foreigners or a company not hire, nor take seriously a foreign employer, it is "so desu ne" from most of the people around the discriminator.

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Racist remarks by rich Liberal white guy

According to Los Angeles County records, Sterling has been a registered Republican since 1998, at least. I don't think the guy's political affiliation matters, but it's simply a point of fact. In his treatment of other human beings, Sterling is anything but "liberal."

I have a problem with this case from many aspects. I do believe the NBA acted appropriately in taking steps to separate Sterling from the league, as well as from the team he has owned. I do not agree with the fine. And I find it hard to attack an 80-year-old man for remarks made in private. He's entitled to his opinions, just like any other person.

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Not to mention as bad and as vile Sterling is, don't run off and give his well, NOW ex-girlfriend a break. She's in a bit of hot water herself. First off, she broke the law by not getting Sterling's consent that she would be recording him and their private conversation. In California, you have to let the other party know that they are being taped, both sides have to know and agree, so she's guilty of that and Sterling can and probably will sue her, not to mention Sterling's wife is furious and she was sitting next to him, don't know when the photo was taken, but she has to be a really stupid woman if she didn't see or could smell that that girl and others were hanging around Sterling and NOT because he's a fun guy to hang around with. If anyone thinks this is the end of Sterling, I think this is the beginning of something bigger that is yet to come still.

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So, the NBA has made a statement on morals and ethics. Now, let's see them enforce it equally across the league now.

Anyone that has ever had seats court side has heard racial slurs being used by the players themselves. I once sat next to a family who had to explain to their 10 year old why it was not OK for him to use a specific word despite the players using it to address each other freely.

I fully expect the NBA to treat all its employees equally in the wake of this decision ..... but I won't hold my breath.

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Anyone that has ever had seats court side has heard racial slurs being used by the players themselves.

That is a laughably ludicrous statement.

A word often used to describe a black person used by a black person can't be a racial slur in that context. If you can get bystanders who are black to agree with you, go for it. But it's absolutely stupid for a non-black to claim that the word we all know so well is a slur in that context.

Now, have a black player use a racial slur for a white person and you'll see how swift the hammer will come down.

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I fully expect the NBA to treat all its employees equally in the wake of this decision .....

If any NBA employee or player said the same things, they would definitely be punished, according to contract or NBA arbitration rules. But these are NBA owners, in the position of power to hire and fire - they have their own rules and constitution. If they want to throw out one of their own (which requires 3/4ths of their vote), they could.

The NBA players were ready to boycott yesterday's playoff games if the NBA commissioner didn't come down hard on Sterling. The NBA fans were with them.

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Now, have a black player use a racial slur for a white person and you'll see how swift the hammer will come down.

It won't come down, because basicaly all white racial slurs (honkey, cracker, whitey) are socially acceptable.

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The word is offensive and shouldn't be used by anyone, Blacks as well. It is a vile despicable word and I just can't understand as to why it is used so freely. Especially nowadays in Rap music, NOW more than ever, it is used to the point where it is overkill and some of the songs, it seems like the word is coming up ever 5 seconds as if there are no other words to choose from in the English language.

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had to explain to their 10 year old why it was not OK for him to use a specific word despite the players using it to address each other freely

If I call myself an idiot, or my friend, no problem. If you call me or my friend an idiot, problem.

See? It's not that hard.

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I got a thumbs down, so that means, it's OK to use that word? Some of you....geez.

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because basicaly all white racial slurs ... are socially acceptable.

In your circle, perhaps.

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It's not just my circle. Black comedians use those slurs all the time and face zero consequences, yet when a white comedian uses a racial slur, he is immediately defamed and shamed forever.

This is indisputable, that there is a massive double-standard involving racial slurs. Black people face practically zero consequences when using racial slurs.

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It's not just my circle. Black comedians use those slurs all the time and face zero consequences, yet when a white comedian uses a racial slur, he is immediately defamed and shamed forever.

This is indisputable, that there is a massive double-standard involving racial slurs. Black people face practically zero consequences when using racial slurs.

I often hear women call each other the B*** word in society and especially in the clubs I work, is it right? NO! Can men say that to women, NO nor should they ever, if a women do say it towards each other it is acceptable, If a guy says it, they are ready to fight. It is the same analysis. There are certain words, certain people can't say or should ever say. I don't like to call any human regardless of their race, sex, religion in a derogatory term, that's not how I was raised, But you have to understand the African American community. As unfair as it is. When they use that word between themselves, it is not seen as a putdown because they are from the same race, but the connotation changes when a white person does it, the images of slavery and Jim Crow* are by default attached to it, no matter the intentions noble or not. furthermore, if you don't believe me, just listen to some of the outrageous things Al Sharpton has said, or what Snoop Dogg said. They use the N-word constantly, but does anyone go after them? No. It's a double-standard, but if you are not Black, you cannot use the word. But as I said before, I wish No one would ever use that word or ANY racial slur towards any ethnic group. We should be better than that.

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Black comedians use those slurs all the time and face zero consequences

Use them all the time? I would challenge you to provide one clear example of a black comedian using a slur to smear another race, and facing "zero consequences."

...things Al Sharpton has said, or what Snoop Dogg said. They use the N-word constantly...

I listen to Reverend Sharpton very frequently and have never heard him use the word. Where are you hearing him use it constantly?

The comedian, Dick Gregory, used the N-word as the title of his first book back in the 60s -- which was a great read. He made out the dedication to his mother -- saying that anytime she heard that word, she could now take as advertisement for his book. It's one of many examples how such words can be used in a way that does not slur others. (I don't think bfg4987 understands that.)

Moreover, Sterling isn't reported using any such slurs.

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Its all messed up. Jamie Foxx, Spike Lee go on all the time about racial stuff. They are still acting and directing. Its not a two way street.

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using a slur to smear another race

A clause you included because a simple google search will show you that yes, they do it all the time, and you had to cover your bases.

I would point you to a Chris Rock routine where he parodies an old black man hating white people, in which he uses ethnic slurs multiple times. Reverse the roles, have a white comedian parodying an old white racist using multiple ethnic slurs, see how many tickets he sells. There are many more examples, but I'm not going to waste my time anymore than I already have.

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Use them all the time? I would challenge you to provide one clear example of a black comedian using a slur to smear another race, and facing "zero consequences."

Chris Rock, most of the Gangsta Rappers, many other Black stand up comedians, Yes, Spike Lee as well, go and watch any prominent Black comedian, the biggest and you can always hear it.

I listen to Reverend Sharpton very frequently and have never heard him use the word. Where are you hearing him use it constantly?

Why on Earth would you listen to one of the biggest race hustlers and bigots, not to mention, a rat and YES, he is exactly that and ONLY when it is someone Black and NEVER the other way around, same goes for Jackson. And the NAACP wants to honor Sharpton a liberal racist and Sterling a Conservative racist?! Seriously? It just doesn't get much worse! The NAACP is just as outdated as the Noble, it's time to give these organizations a curtain call. They used to stand for something, but now.... Just shameful!

Moreover, Sterling isn't reported using any such slurs.

He doesn't have to what he was more than enough and beyond insulting. You can be vile, rude, repugnant without using profanity. Keith Olbermann did it all the time. Gee, whatever happened to him???

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A clause you included because a simple google search will show you that yes, they do it all the time, and you had to cover your bases.

You earlier said "racial slur" and so clarification was necessary. Was Dick Gregory, when choosing the N-word as the title for his first book, guilty of something for which he should have suffered repercussions? That word was first concocted by whites as a term of contempt and disparagement towards blacks. For a white to complain that blacks have found a way to embrace it in a way that whites can't is yet another form of whites being disturbed at the affront to their white supremacy.

I would point you to a Chris Rock routine where he parodies an old black man hating white people, in which he uses ethnic slurs multiple times.

I am very familiar with the routine, and can see how your choosing it is a clear example of a frustrated sense of white supremacy in action. Part of what makes Rock's routine so funny to me is how it "outs" ignorant white bigotry, while it lampoons black cowardice. That clearly went over your head.

Reverse the roles, have a white comedian parodying an old white racist using multiple ethnic slurs, see how many tickets he sells.

So the repercussions are "ticket sales?" (!!) Seems to me that All In The Family enjoyed quite a good run. A white comedian who was really good at parody could carry it off. But it would be parody -- just like Rock -- and not an exposure of whatever feelings of white supremacy he actually carries -- like Michael Richard and this Sterling character.

Why on Earth would you listen to one of the biggest race hustlers and bigots,

In all the time I have listened to Rev. Sharpton, I have not heard him use the "N-word" once. You claimed above that he uses it all the time. If so, there should be visible evidence of him using it. If you are NOT listening to him, as you imply, then on what did you base your claim that he is using the N-word all the time?

I listen to Sharpton in order to get a perspective I can't get from his white supremacist detractors. As long as white supremacy exists in the United States, as many or the posts so clearly reveal, there will be a need for an NAACP.

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Well, now the NAACP is taking back Sterling's award in a show of character and principle. I'm sure that the NAACP will of course now RETURN all the money that Sterling donated to their organization and other causes. After all, they won't want any part of money tainted by racism, will they?

Of course not. (/sarcasm)

Ironically, Sterling didn'Teven use the "bad" word for blacks either. He called them "black people", which AFAIK is the current politically correct term. He had no trouble with his mistress sleeping with black guys, feeding them in his house, or taking them out in his cars, as long as she didn't bring them to his place of business and publicly humiliate him. It doesn't sound like much to ask.

And now people are calling for him to be stripped of his property!? He should lose a $500 million business because he said something bad in the privacy of his own home, in what he thought was a private phone call? That is a truly frightening precedent.

Let him be judged by the court of public opinion. People can protest by not attending Clippers games or buying their merchandise. Players can protest by requesting to be traded, or refusing to sign contracts.

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After all, they won't want any part of money tainted by racism, will they?

Since saints are very rare, and this IS the United States, it is safe to assume that the vast majority of dollars are tainted. Since Sterling was tainted with accusations of racism in the past with his real estate practices, he may have wanted to try to clean up his image somewhat via some charitable donations to minority organizations.

It's fortunate for image-conscious white supremacists that groups like the NAACP exist -- to receive their money and provide the necessary "white-washing." What's really interesting is how other white supremacists now point the finger at the organization merely for accepting the money -- no matter how beneficially it is used. As if the organization is supposed to be able to know who is honestly trying to make amends and who is not. (Suffice to say the LA chapter of the NAACP has returned Sterling's most recent donation.)

There can be no mistake that the value of Sterling's investment in the Clippers has increased dramatically thanks to the talents of black athletes and ticket sales from minority communities. Only a hard-core racist would complain about a small percentage of that money coming back.

And now people are calling for him to be stripped of his property!? He should lose a $500 million business because he said something bad in the privacy of his own home, in what he thought was a private phone call?

Sterling will not be "stripped" of his property without being compensated through its sale. However, in joining the league as an owner, he signed a covenant with stipulations on personal conduct which might reflect upon the whole league. The board makes its decision on whether an individual owner has lived up to the covenant, or has broken it. When contracts can be broken with impunity, and board members can't act to protect their interests when one of their members behaves like a racist buffoon, that is truly a frightening precedent.

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NBA PLAYERS - rapes, assaults, DUI, drugs, murders - one game suspension

NBA OWNERS - say bad words in private conversations that are illegally recorded - banned for life and a $2.5 million fine

Yeah, that seems fair.

RR

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NBA PLAYERS - rapes, assaults, DUI, drugs, murders - one game suspension

Anyone else in the world besides romeorii believe that an NBA player will receive a one-game suspension for rapes, assaults, drug violations, or murders? Can anyone else besides romeorii see that whatever the NBA does will come after the justice system has run its course?

NBA OWNERS - say bad words in private conversations

Say words in conversations that, if brought to light, bring discredit upon the league in violation of a signed covenant. Saying "bad words" is not a matter for the civil or criminal courts. Sterling's fate was decided upon by other white billionaire owners and multi-millionaire league officers. That's what's really got the white supremacists' ire up.

The other white billionaires and multi-millionaires believe that Sterling is receiving fair treatment. They decided it.

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In all fairness, Shaq should be given a lifetime ban from all NBA-related functions and a $2.5 million dollar fine for the tasteless selfie he posted on the Internet that mocked a disabled person.

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In all fairness, Shaq should be given a lifetime ban from all NBA-related functions and a $2.5 million dollar fine for the tasteless selfie he posted on the Internet that mocked a disabled person.

From "rapes, assaults, murders" we're down to "tasteless selfies." I suppose that's some kind of "advancement" for some people.

In all fairness, Shaquille O'Neal did not know the person in the picture he was mocking had a genetic disorder. When he learned the truth, he quickly called Jahmel Binion and offered his heartfelt apology. Mr. Binion ought to be the one who should decide what's fair in this circumstance and not people who hate blacks enough to lie at every turn about them.

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NBA OWNERS - say bad words in private conversations that are illegally recorded - banned for life and a $2.5 million fine

Yeah, that seems fair.

Ya gotta remember who decides these things.

The NBA owners have their own rules decided by other NBA owners. If they want to ban one of theirs for life, then they could do it.

If ya want to be fair, then NBA players should have their own rules decided by other NBA players, not by NBA owners.

NBA owners can do whatever they want with one of their own (they decide their constitution); NBA players can't.

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Sterling hasn't "willfully" violated anything. "Willfully," means there is an intent requirement embedded into Sterling hasn't violated any contractual obligations to the league, its members or the players. Put simply, when you actually examine the NBA's posted bylaws, I don't believe Silver or the league has the legal authority to take Donald Sterling's team from him. As a lawyer, Silver probably knows this as well. That is why he looked so nervous at the press conference, because he knew he didn't have the legal authority to support his announced penalties. Silver got his bold headlines praising him for taking a strong stand, but the underlying support in the bylaws for taking Donald Sterling's team just isn't there. While Sterling may be racist, there's nothing in the termination clause of the NBA bylaws that allows the league to take his team for that reason.

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"Legally, Donald Sterling’s ban is likely a done deal; team’s sale is a more complicated matter"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/legally-nba-ban-is-likely-a-done-deal-team-sale-is-a-more-complicated-matter/2014/04/29/2b4217c0-cfd3-11e3-a6b1-45c4dffb85a6_story.html

The problem is that Sterling, as an NBA owner, had agreed to be bound by the NBA’s constitution. And that document gives the league’s commissioner, Adam Silver, broad powers to punish owners for actions including “conduct prejudicial or detrimental” to the league. Silver announced that he would fine Sterling $2.5 million, impose a lifetime team and NBA ban, and try to force a sale of the franchise.

Experts said the best of Sterling’s legal options would be trying to stop a forced sale of his team. That decision must be approved by three-quarters of the NBA’s owners. Sterling could stop it by persuading enough owners to reject the motion, or — if that doesn’t work — by persuading a judge to throw out the owners’ vote.

But even that wouldn’t be much of a victory. It would only allow Sterling to keep ownership of a team he couldn’t run — a business that might rapidly drown under the weight of his bad reputation.

“He may be a belligerent S.O.B., but he’s not insane,” said Gary R. Roberts, a professor of sports law at Indiana University. “I don’t think that the other league owners are going to be able legally to kick him out. But they’re not going to have to. This guy doesn’t want to own a business that will be bankrupt in short order.”

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You earlier said "racial slur" and so clarification was necessary. Was Dick Gregory, when choosing the N-word as the title for his first book, guilty of something for which he should have suffered repercussions? That word was first concocted by whites as a term of contempt and disparagement towards blacks. For a white to complain that blacks have found a way to embrace it in a way that whites can't is yet another form of whites being disturbed at the affront to their white supremacy.

But Blacks do embrace it. So you think the N-word is not uttered on a daily basis around Blacks. If you think No, you are sadly misguided.

I am very familiar with the routine, and can see how your choosing it is a clear example of a frustrated sense of white supremacy in action. Part of what makes Rock's routine so funny to me is how it "outs" ignorant white bigotry, while it lampoons black cowardice. That clearly went over your head.

No, it didn't. I'm well versed on these matters, believe me. Rock does use the N-word a lot. All I am saying is, he can get away with it, but if a white person utters it, he/she is done, that's all I am saying. There is a double-standard. Again, I don't advocate the word, no one should ever use it, but you have to admit for it is what it is.

So the repercussions are "ticket sales?" (!!) Seems to me that All In The Family enjoyed quite a good run. A white comedian who was really good at parody could carry it off. But it would be parody -- just like Rock -- and not an exposure of whatever feelings of white supremacy he actually carries -- like Michael Richard and this Sterling character.

"Archie Bunker" wasn't using the N-word on his show constantly and everyone enjoyed the show of all races. Bill Cosby doesn't go around saying the word or Sinbad, so why is it that Rock has to use a vile disgusting word? If you are really funny and a great entertainer, there is no need to use that word. It's not about white supremacy. It's about fairness and accountability.

In all the time I have listened to Rev. Sharpton, I have not heard him use the "N-word" once. You claimed above that he uses it all the time. If so, there should be visible evidence of him using it. If you are NOT listening to him, as you imply, then on what did you base your claim that he is using the N-word all the time?

The times, that I heard him in the past, he did use those and other words. And you are right, I didn't listen to him recently, but that doesn't change the fact of what he is. When it comes to race, I have never, EVER seen Sharpton come to ANY white persons aid that was treated in an unjust way. Sharpton is ALWAYS present when he knows he can benefit from a situation. I never heard him call out liberals that were criticizing Justice Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas, how about Condoleezza Rice or Kevin Jackson when Libs were on him or Allen West. In other words, if a Black Conservative is involved in any discrimination allegation accusation, Sharpton is silent, ALWAYS! The same goes for Jackson. Also if Sharpton was a standup guy (which he is not) why he can't come clean that he was working for the FBI as an informant? The tapes are there, the video doesn't lie, he made the deal, he was busted. Just admit and move along, but No, like Obama, the man just can't admit that he did. He deflects, doesn't want to comment, doesn't make him look good at all (as if he ever did)

I listen to Sharpton in order to get a perspective I can't get from his white supremacist detractors. As long as white supremacy exists in the United States, as many or the posts so clearly reveal, there will be a need for an NAACP.

The only thing you can learn from Sharpton is that, he is a complete one-sided bigoted opportunist, no different from Tom Metzger.

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So you think the N-word is not uttered on a daily basis around Blacks.

Some people use it. Others do not. But Whites don't get to choose what words Black people use to call themselves. Blacks don't get to choose what words any others get to use to refer to themselves.

All I am saying is, he can get away with it, but if a white person utters it, he/she is done, that's all I am saying.

And you would be wrong again. Bill Maher used the word on his HBO show of March 25. And not a peep of protest, because he used it in a very similar context that Chris Rock has used it. You are not as "well-versed" in those matters as you presume yourself to be.

Bill Cosby doesn't go around saying the word or Sinbad, so why is it that Rock has to use a vile disgusting word?...It's not about white supremacy.

Some people use it. Some obviously do not. But neither Cosby or Sinbad get to dictate to Rock how to perform his act, and vice-versa. And whites weighing in on the words that non-whites should use to refer to themselves is clearly a manifestation of white supremacy, and that is something Cosby and Rock could agree upon. (I am not so familiar with Sinbad, but most Blacks in America understand how white supremacy persists today.)

I never heard him call out liberals that were criticizing Justice Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas.

I know of no liberal who ever criticized Judge Thomas solely on account of his race. I find it extremely racist and condescending that Sharpton should consider race over other matters when deciding who he should defend and who he should criticize. As of late, there have been a regular parade of conservatives, such as this Cliven Bundy character, admitting that he openly wonders if Blacks were better off as slaves and picking cotton.

The Atlantic columnist, Ta-Nehisi Coates, has weighed in on this controversy with a must-read article: This Town Needs a Better Class of Racist. He perceptively describes the "monstrous" white racism that persists in a form which he terms as "elegant." (Cliven Bundy's and Donald Sterling's problem among whites is not that they are racist, but that they are oafish racists.)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/This-Town-Needs-A-Better-Class-Of-Racist/361443/

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Anyone else in the world besides romeorii believe that an NBA player will receive a one-game suspension for rapes, assaults, drug violations, or murders?

Heh, the NBA believes it, too:

Memphis forward Zach Randolph has been suspended for Game 7 of the Grizzlies' playoff series against Oklahoma City for punching Thunder center Steven Adams in the jaw.

Of course, Al Sharpton will tell the white guilt race baters this as another example of The Man tryin' to put another brother down; or some such nonsense.

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Memphis forward Zach Randolph has been suspended for Game 7 of the Grizzlies' playoff series against Oklahoma City for punching Thunder center Steven Adams in the jaw.

Far more fights -- and far more punches landed in just one average day's play in the predominantly white National Hockey League. Standard repercussion: 2-4 minutes in the penalty box.

Still waiting for examples of one day suspensions for "rapes, drug violations and murders."

"White guilt race-baiters?" You shuck and jive with the best of them, romeorii.

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I know of no liberal who ever criticized Judge Thomas solely on account of his race.

Heh, guess Mississippi democrat, Rep. Bennie Thompson, calling Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom" doesn't count in the white guilt, race baiters' universe.

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@Romeo

Democrats ain't necessarily liberals.

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@lucabrasi

Thanks for that knee slapper.

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Heh, guess Mississippi democrat, Rep. Bennie Thompson, calling Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom" doesn't count in the white guilt, race baiters' universe.

White supremacist defenders of "oafish racism" call upon guilt because they obviously have a lot to feel guilty about: Trent Lott, Cliven Bundy, Paula Dean, Duck Dynasty Daddy, Donald Sterling, Lee Atwater and the GOP's southern strategy -- the list goes on and on. When caught with their sheets showing, the best they can come up with is one black man castigating the public record of another black man with a white-created stereotype. In their Bizarro universe, they call that "race-baiting."

It's clear their irrational bigotry of many years has rotted their brains. They couldn't read a W.E.B DuBois, James Baldwin, Martin Luther King, or a Ta-Nehisi Coates for that matter, with the slightest amount of comprehension.

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Some people use it. Others do not. But Whites don't get to choose what words Black people use to call themselves.

But Whites are the ones that invented the word.

Blacks don't get to choose what words any others get to use to refer to themselves.

Sounds like you're giving the word a pass.

And you would be wrong again. Bill Maher used the word on his HBO show of March 25. And not a peep of protest, because he used it in a very similar context that Chris Rock has used it.

I would like to see Maher go to the Apollo Theater and say it and see what happens. By the way, whatever happened to Michael Richards?

You are not as "well-versed" in those matters as you presume yourself to be.

Yabits, trust me when I tell you this, I am a thousand times "well-versed" in these matters to make accurate analysis on the issue.

Some people use it. Some obviously do not. But neither Cosby or Sinbad get to dictate to Rock how to perform his act, and vice-versa.

No, but Rock with his big mouth, makes it seem like it is perfectly ok and acceptable to use the word.

And whites weighing in on the words that non-whites should use to refer to themselves is clearly a manifestation of white supremacy, and that is something Cosby and Rock could agree upon. (I am not so familiar with Sinbad, but most Blacks in America understand how white supremacy persists today.)

But sadly many Whites do not.

I know of no liberal who ever criticized Judge Thomas solely on account of his race.

Of course they do. That is just like liberals saying, conservatives hate Obama because of his race, indeed some do, but most hate Obama because of his failed policies and actually, the same goes for Thomas, that is what I really meant. Liberals HATE black conservatives and many do get called outrageous names, especially from other Blacks. It basically means, you are an Uncle Tom, how can you vote for the enemy. What kind of nonsense is that?

http://lastresistance.com/2508/liberals-hate-clarence-thomas-but-cant-tell-you-why/

I find it extremely racist and condescending that Sharpton should consider race over other matters when deciding who he should defend and who he should criticize. As of late, there have been a regular parade of conservatives, such as this Cliven Bundy character, admitting that he openly wonders if Blacks were better off as slaves and picking cotton.

True, but don't tell me that you don't have liberals thinking the same, take Alec Baldwin for example or Charlie Sheen. Listen to the things he said about gays and Blacks and these guys are younger. Racism has no color or political affiliation. As for Sharpton, you cannot tell me or anyone else on JT for the record given Sharpton's and Jackson's history that they don't play the race card. He is THE biggest race hustlers ever to exist in our country today. Both men built their fortunes on it. I can give you thousands of examples. Everyone knows it except for the people that just want to keep their head in the sand. What about that incident that happened a few weeks ago when this White guy accidentally hit this Black kid and then he was so worried and got out of his car to check if the kid was ok. The guy was attacked by a large group of people and almost beaten to death. They beat the guy so bad, he was in serious condition. Now where was the good reverend? Nowhere to be found! He didn't stand on his pulpit and shouted that those thugs were racist and should have been brought to justice and don't tell me that wasn't a hate crime. The man could have left the crime scene, but didn't. Also the attacks on Whites from Blacks is increasing and yet, when Blacks attack Whites for some political BS, it cannot be called a hate crime, just misunderstood youths. Listen to what Snoop Dogg said about Sterling. Because Snoop is Black, he can get away with it, but if a White person would use the same language....Oh, boy. So there IS a serious doulbe standard when it comes to what Blacks can say and what Whites cannot say.

http://youtu.be/BQlsSk7sCRM

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But Whites are the ones that invented the word.

Yes, the same way the British invented "Yankee Doodles" as a slur against American colonists -- and had it turned right back against them. "Inventing" a word does not constitute ownership and control over it. Whites complaining about Blacks appropriation of a term meant to disparage Blacks only demonstrates an affront to their feelings of white supremacy.

I would like to see Maher go to the Apollo Theater and say it and see what happens. By the way, whatever happened to Michael Richards?

One guest on Maher's show was Kareem Abdul Jabbar. If you can't tell the difference between Maher and what Richards did you aren't well versed at all.

Of course they do. (Referring to liberals who criticize Clarence Thomas solely because of his race.)

You have as much support for this as you have for Reverend Sharpton using the N-word all the time. Which is to say none at all.

True, but don't tell me that you don't have liberals thinking the same, take Alec Baldwin for example or Charlie Sheen.

Baldwin and Sheen are entertainers, as is Snoop Dogg -- more closely akin to clowns than to political commentators. That doesn't seem to stop conservatives from trying to portray them as influential. They are not.

The guy was attacked by a large group of people and almost beaten to death. They beat the guy so bad, he was in serious condition. Now where was the good reverend? Nowhere to be found! He didn't stand on his pulpit and shouted that those thugs were racist and should have been brought to justice

It happened just north of Detroit and the victim's name is Steve Utash. Sharpton decried the incident on his show, and members of the community came forward to help police hunt down and arrest the perpetrators. African-American religious congregations in that economically depressed city have raised and donated thousands of dollars to the family to pay for his medical treatment. White supremacists completely and conveniently overlook all of that and want to portray the entire Black community as being criminals. Sharpton didn' t need to be too involved because the police and the community were "on top of it."

The article mentions Jackie Robinson. Surprisingly, the movie 42 recounts how Robinson had to leave the Florida town he was staying in for spring training because of death threats. That town: Sanford -- where Trayvon Martin was murdered. Sharpton only got involved in that situation because the father of Mr. Martin asked him to.

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Yes, the same way the British invented "Yankee Doodles" as a slur against American colonists -- and had it turned right back against them. "Inventing" a word does not constitute ownership and control over it. Whites complaining about Blacks appropriation of a term meant to disparage Blacks only demonstrates an affront to their feelings of white supremacy.

So now you are trying to make a moral and ethical equivalency of the Word, gotcha. In other words, if a white person uses the word jokingly, it's ok, Blacks do it almost on a daily basis, it shouldn't matter if anyone says it. Has nothing to do with White Supremacy, but everything to do with fairness.

One guest on Maher's show was Kareem Abdul Jabbar. If you can't tell the difference between Maher and what Richards did you aren't well versed at all.

So just having a Black Person from time time makes a difference. As I said, let Maher go to Harlem, to the Apollo or Compton and say that word, I already know exactly what will happen. So what's Michael Richards doing these days? I wonder....

You have as much support for this as you have for Reverend Sharpton using the N-word all the time. Which is to say none at all.

In other words, you don't want to admit that Dems have a serious problem with Conservative Blacks and you especially don't want to admit what all of America knows, Sharpton is a race hustler and an opportunist, that he even has a job on msnbc is not only NOT surprising, but shows how low the network has reached in the ratings. A once respected network long time has turned into a cesspool of one-sided, conservative hating liberal White House echo chamber and Sharpton who is NOT a trained journalist has a show? Mind-boggling.

Baldwin and Sheen are entertainers, as is Snoop Dogg -- more closely akin to clowns than to political commentators. That doesn't seem to stop conservatives from trying to portray them as influential. They are not.

Of course they are influential, wrong again. Who coined the term that everyone uses these days "winning?" Oh, and please don't even go there. Libs harp on conservatives on a weekly basis, all you have to do is tune into Saturday Night Live to see and hear what they say. difference is conservatives can can take a joke! unlike Democrats that want you excoriated if you do.

It happened just north of Detroit and the victim's name is Steve Utash. Sharpton decried the incident on his show, and members of the community came forward to help police hunt down and arrest the perpetrators. African-American religious congregations in that economically depressed city have raised and donated thousands of dollars to the family to pay for his medical treatment. White supremacists completely and conveniently overlook all of that and want to portray the entire Black community as being criminals. Sharpton didn' t need to be too involved because the police and the community were "on top of it."

I heard. Ok, so you have ONE positive incident, so now compared to every other time, the Rev. Opened his big racist mouth against Whites and compare that to the overwhelming silence he demonstrates where he is completely silence when it comes to Black on White crime. And NO, I'm NOT a racist, nor am InaWhite Supremacist!

The article mentions Jackie Robinson. Surprisingly, the movie 42 recounts how Robinson had to leave the Florida town he was staying in for spring training because of death threats. That town: Sanford -- where Trayvon Martin was murdered. Sharpton only got involved in that situation because the father of Mr. Martin asked him to.

We don't know what happened with Martin, only the fact that he pummeled and beat the crap out of Zimmerman. It was a terrible tragedy, but the boy should have just answered his questions and moved on.

All I want is fairness when it comes to racial matters, but all you and other liberals always do is use race as a crutch and ever since this president, a Black or if you want biracial was elected, that proved once and for all America has left its racist past behind and yet, we still go around this wheel again and again, in fact, one could argue, Obama and Holder have greatly benefited from their race in many ways, but they and other liberals use the race card whenever they want to close down a debate or want to deflect or not answer questions or to use as a cover because once you pull the race card, the PC police come in and it's all over. Again, what Sterling said, was beyond bad, but we now live in a climate where you are not even allowed to have an opinion otherwise, you will use your livelihood. Sterling has the money and he can afford to lose the clippers and from his past history, he should, but where do we draw the line? This is a slippery slope. What about the people that don't have the cash that Sterling has? You are not even allowed an opinion, otherwise you will lose everything. That scares me and that is much bigger ultimately than what Sterling said. I thought as the U.S. We have the right to say what we want, as long as we don't physically hurt others. Liberals always seem to forget this. The last 5 years race relations overall have gotten worse between Blacks and Whites. If liberals really would care deeply about race as they say, then let's talk about the elephant in the room and that is Black on White crime is true, real and getting a lot worse and to deny it, shows how out of touch liberals really are.

Once again, I am very well versed in these matters.

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So now you are trying to make a moral and ethical equivalency of the Word, gotcha. In other words, if a white person uses the word jokingly, it's ok,

Wrong. I was responding to the point you were trying to make that since whites invented the word they get to control it. A white supremacist who uses the word will draw a very different reaction from that of a white comedian making fun of a white supremacist. You don't seem to get that at all.

So just having a Black Person from time time makes a difference. As I said, let Maher go to Harlem, to the Apollo or Compton and say that word, I already know exactly what will happen.

First of all, Mr. Jabbar is originally from NYC and is well-known in Harlem. He's also a community leader. There were thousands of Harlem residents watching HBO that night, and likely many from Compton too. If anyone had a problem with Maher using the word, there were plenty of opportunities for them to voice their protest. A videoclip from the show would reach far more people than a single-stage performance.

In other words, you don't want to admit that Dems have a serious problem with Conservative Blacks and you especially don't want to admit what all of America knows

As the article states, and I fully agree, the specter of racism still haunts U.S. sports. Now, sports is one area where differences in talent and ability are relatively easier to perceive and measure. If there's one area of American life where race shouldn't matter, it's sports. But it's clear that racism is still endemic. You don't have to look any farther than the statement that a black NBA player can rape or murder someone and the only punishment they'll receive is a one-game suspension.

And so: 1) Liberals have a serious problem with racism in all its forms, but especially with white supremacy because of its long history and its pervasive and lasting destructiveness. Therefore, 2): Liberals have a serious problem with whites who declare that supremacist feelings by whites towards non-whites no longer exist and therefore minorities don't need to be protected.

Anyone who knows anything about history knows that even in the worst circumstances, such as the holocaust, the perpetrators can find willing collaborators among the group being persecuted. Anyone who knows anything knows that there are many whites who hold deeply ingrained feelings of white supremacy. And the fact is that there are actually some Blacks who also agree and sympathize with white supremacy. (I am involved in an online community forum on race issues and hear from them far more often than I previously imagined. I also hear from black supremacists and separatists, such as members of the Nation of Islam, Afrocentric and Black Israelite movements. But, virulent as they are, they constitute a tiny minority within a minority. And, oh, do folks like Sterling and this racist conservative darling, Clyven Bundy, help them make their case.)

As an owner, Sterling, possesses an attitude whereby Black people are second-class citizens. (He didn't care if white folks took pictures with the person he claims was not his girlfriend.) White racists love to point out the complicity of the NAACP in taking Sterling's money. But the basic fact is that there are many blacks who'll make excuses for, or keep silent about, white racism as long as it benefits them personally -- and it's been my experience that many of those who do that align themselves with conservatives: in political opposition to the vast majority of Black Americans.

I would consider a person who has read up on race relations from an African-American's point of view to be far better versed than a person who has read nothing and simply claims to be well-versed. So please tell me, what books have you read by black writers about race relations and/or racial conditions in America?

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Wrong. I was responding to the point you were trying to make that since whites invented the word they get to control it. A white supremacist who uses the word will draw a very different reaction from that of a white comedian making fun of a white supremacist. You don't seem to get that at all.

It doesn't matter, you think that most Whites can get away saying it? Sterling didn't. Baldwin didn't, Richards didn't and he's a comedian. Yeah, I get it, it's called double standard. By the way, what's Richards doing these days?

First of all, Mr. Jabbar is originally from NYC and is well-known in Harlem. He's also a community leader. There were thousands of Harlem residents watching HBO that night, and likely many from Compton too. If anyone had a problem with Maher using the word, there were plenty of opportunities for them to voice their protest. A videoclip from the show would reach far more people than a single-stage performance.

That's Harlem, let him go to the South side of Chicago or to L.A. In Compton, I'll bet you, he wouldn't make it back to his car in one piece saying that word.

And so: 1) Liberals have a serious problem with racism in all its forms, but especially with white supremacy because of its long history and its pervasive and lasting destructiveness. Therefore, 2): Liberals have a serious problem with whites who declare that supremacist feelings by whites towards non-whites no longer exist and therefore minorities don't need to be protected.

Don't even go there. Blacks have suffered financially worse under Obama than any other president. Republicans feel the same way as you covered in points 1 and 2, factor in, most Blacks don't like Big government and are not even natural Democrats. Again, there are small pockets or a smidgen of racists out there, but the majority of Whites, No. And instead of calling out inequality towards blacks, how about inequality towards everyone, color shouldn't play a factor in Judging someone's character.

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/25/minorities_disproportionately_worse_off_under_obama/page/full

As an owner, Sterling, possesses an attitude whereby Black people are second-class citizens. (He didn't care if white folks took pictures with the person he claims was not his girlfriend.) White racists love to point out the complicity of the NAACP in taking Sterling's money. But the basic fact is that there are many blacks who'll make excuses for, or keep silent about, white racism as long as it benefits them personally -- and it's been my experience that many of those who do that align themselves with conservatives: in political opposition to the vast majority of Black Americans.

One reason for that is conservatives of the past didn't make huge efforts in trying to recruit Blacks, however, this is different generation of conservatives out there and more and more minorities are joining, particularly the ones that want smaller government entrepreneurs and want to go more in the private sector. So there is a change, slow, but it's growing and more so under this president. The republicans have to do better in their outreach towards minorities. A lot of Blacks are not happy with this president, their pocket books and growing more disenfranchised with the Democratic Party.

I would consider a person who has read up on race relations from an African-American's point of view to be far better versed than a person who has read nothing and simply claims to be well-versed. So please tell me, what books have you read by black writers about race relations and/or racial conditions in America?

Kevin Jackson (one of my favorites) :The Big Black Lie

Ben Carson: One Nation

George S. Schuyler: Black and Conservative

Allen West: Guardian of the Republic

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

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It doesn't matter, you think that most Whites can get away saying it?

Any White who doesn't come across as a supremacist would understand how it could be used in a context that differs from a slur or attack on a race. It requires some intelligence and an understanding you obviously have not attained. The fact is that Maher used it on his extremely popular show -- with replays available On-Demand -- and not a peep of protest. And you don't understand why.

Don't even go there. Blacks have suffered financially worse under Obama than any other president.

Black Americans see how white supremacist conservatives have shown their complete lack of respect to an American president whose skin color is dark. The whole "birther" movement attests to it: The suspicion that Barack Obama is not an American. You can turn your biased eye away from it, but the vast majority of Black folks can see it clearly. Only a Judas would make decisions based upon how much silver was put into their pockets. No matter how you claim they have suffered, if Obama could run for a third term, he'd get well over 90% of the Black vote again. Based upon that, it's clear you think that the vast majority of Black people are ignorant or dumb, and don't realize that what the White Republican Massa wants is best for them. It's Sterling's attitude to a T.

And instead of calling out inequality towards blacks, how about inequality towards everyone, color shouldn't play a factor in Judging someone's character.

Whites who harbor feelings of white supremacy -- and that's a majority of them -- are not capable of it.

One reason for that is conservatives of the past didn't make huge efforts in trying to recruit Blacks

On the contrary, Conservatives of the past made concerted efforts to recruit racist southern whites who became disenchanted when the Democratic Party moved towards civil rights. It was called the Southern Strategy. I suppose you think that Black Americans were too dumb to see that for what it was.

George S. Schuyler: Black and Conservative

Wow. Schuyler hated Christianity and especially despised Martin Luther King, Jr. Schuyler advocated that miscegenation was the "answer" to the race problem. Essentially that, over time, "blackness" would be "bred out" of Black people. I understand why white supremacists might tout his work.

I noted on your list -- which is lopsided and could not lead a person being "well-versed" except perhaps on a very narrow viewpoint -- that there are no books which a majority of the African-American community would generally agree are "must-reads" on racism in America. Of course, that is understandable, since you feel that the majority of African-Americans are just dumb "race-hustlers."

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Any White who doesn't come across as a supremacist would understand how it could be used in a context that differs from a slur or attack on a race. It requires some intelligence and an understanding you obviously have not attained. The fact is that Maher used it on his extremely popular show -- with replays available On-Demand -- and not a peep of protest. And you don't understand why.

So now you are resulting in taking the ad him approach of attacking me, since I see right through what you are doing? I am from California, I have been through Compton and Watts and I know for a fact, people like Sterling and Maher wouldn't last a day mouthing off ANY racial epithet. They wouldn't and they know they wouldn't. It has nothing to do with Maher's show being popular or not, the majority of Blacks in the U.S. would not give him or ANY White person a pass on that word, that is something you don't understand.

Black Americans see how white supremacist conservatives have shown their complete lack of respect to an American president whose skin color is dark. The whole "birther" movement attests to it: The suspicion that Barack Obama is not an American. You can turn your biased eye away from it, but the vast majority of Black folks can see it clearly. Only a Judas would make decisions based upon how much silver was put into their pockets. No matter how you claim they have suffered, if Obama could run for a third term, he'd get well over 90% of the Black vote again. Based upon that, it's clear you think that the vast majority of Black people are ignorant or dumb, and don't realize that what the White Republican Massa wants is best for them. It's Sterling's attitude to a T.

Gee, I love you imply that for some bizarre reason that liberals are just not prejudice people and yet, keeping minorities dependent on the government, NOT promoting self-reliance, constantly getting Blacks to think they are the victim, the constant victim of racism and bigotry, when that is predominantly NOT true. Compared to how life was 50 years ago. It wasn't illegal to say anything derogatory towards Blacks and now if you are White you have to walk on egg shells, many Whites that don't want to associate with Blacks do it NOT because they hate Blacks, but because they are AFRAID to say something that could be deemed as racist then you are opening a can of worms and many Whites would rather avoid that kind of confrontation because once you are labeled a racist as a White person your life is over and yet, if Blacks call you ANY name by the book, attack or harass you, the media is silent, there is NO outcry from all these civil rights, social justice ilk. That is called double-standard in its purest form and should be eradicated from the lexicon. Go to California and you can see the difference. In Southern California, you see in L.A. county high crime, high unemployment, drugs, robberies, assault, murder and so on and not to mention liberals run the city. Compare that to Orange County about 45 South of L.A., clean, prosperous, low crime rate, Hispanics and Asian communities are growing at astronomical rates, entrepreneurship is growing, private enterprise is stronger and most Blacks that live there are very prosperous, well spoken, better educated Conservative. The proof is right there, irrefutable. The massa is Big government and as long as Blacks depend on it, they will always be the minority falling behind the others.

Whites who harbor feelings of white supremacy -- and that's a majority of them -- are not capable of it.

So now we are generalizing all White People? I would say, a huge majority of liberals that work for the government are racists, because if they weren't they wouldn't preach to Blacks that the only way they can make it through life is through big government.

On the contrary, Conservatives of the past made concerted efforts to recruit racist southern whites who became disenchanted when the Democratic Party moved towards civil rights. It was called the Southern Strategy. I suppose you think that Black Americans were too dumb to see that for what it was.

No, but many Blacks are blind to see how in the past and present from the Southern Democrats that lynched, butchered, raped and murdered Blacks at will. Dems were the ones that formed the KKK and the Republicans were the ones that wrote the bill "The Ku Klux Klan Act" to stop the Klan activity. Dems tried to stop Blacks from voting in the 1964 civil rights act, the 1965 voting acts and not so long ago the 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity act. How many troops did Clinton send to Rwanda? How many did he send to Bosnia? I'll tell you, over 22,000 to save the White citizens there. Point is, don't even go there that the Dems are the saviors of Blacks and that conservatives don't care. I have hundreds more examples to show you the true colors of liberals and Democrats when it comes to equal and fair justice and opportunities, sad thing is, liberals think that they are the smartest people in the world.

Wow. Schuyler hated Christianity and especially despised Martin Luther King, Jr. Schuyler advocated that miscegenation was the "answer" to the race problem. Essentially that, over time, "blackness" would be "bred out" of Black people. I understand why white supremacists might tout his work.

So if you are NOT a racist there is just NO way you can like his work? Sorry, it's not going to work. Personally, I loved the philosophy more of Malcolm X than King, that doesn't make me a racist at all. But nice try.

I noted on your list -- which is lopsided and could not lead a person being "well-versed" except perhaps on a very narrow viewpoint -- that there are no books which a majority of the African-American community would generally agree are "must-reads" on racism in America. Of course, that is understandable, since you feel that the majority of African-Americans are just dumb "race-hustlers."

You have no right to put words in my mouth. That is YOUR opinion if you think my list is lopsided, it matters not, they are great men to me, people that I admire VERY MUCH. Strong amazing AMERICANS that fought for what they believed in and can clearly see through the veil of liberal BS hypocrisy and that's why I like them, color has nothing to do with it. By the way, I am concerned with Black Americans or all Americans for that matter that want and believe in small government, less intrusion, cutting taxes, self-reliance and independence and that can never happen for Blacks if they just vote Democrat by default, many Blacks don't know of study the overall issues deep enough for if they really and truly did.

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I am from California, I have been through Compton and Watts and I know for a fact, people like Sterling and Maher wouldn't last a day mouthing off ANY racial epithet

Earlier, the statement was made that "no white comedian" could use the word and get away with it without repercussions. That is plainly false, as Maher's example attests. Rather than admit the error, the goalposts got shifted. The venue where Maher used the N-word was not all that different, and not all that far, from the stage where Richards used it. There was no requirement for Richards to be in Harlem or Compton -- plus there were far fewer witnesses in a stand-up comedy club than for a cable-TV program watched by millions.

Yes, there are some black people that would not tolerate that word coming out of the mouth of a white person, no matter what the context. And many would also not "tolerate" a white person getting into an accident where a Black child was injured, regardless of who was at fault. So what? All that leads to is how ludicrous your point is, that you should have to depend on such an irrational "audience" to "prove" it. (Keep in mind that, in the Detroit incident, a Black nurse came upon the scene and got the attackers to stop beating up on Utash while she administered first aid to him. Many Whites turn a completely blind eye to that, relying on the irrational criminal elements to justify their prejudices.)

Gee, I love you imply that for some bizarre reason that liberals are just not prejudice people..

To be a genuine liberal is to strive at all times to be aware of one's own prejudices and biases -- and the effect they have on the fair treatment of other people.

constantly getting Blacks to think they are the victim, the constant victim of racism and bigotry, when that is predominantly NOT true.

As mentioned above, sports is one area where race should NOT matter. And yet, as the article clearly shows, it still does. It doesn't matter a bit that a Black athlete's pockets are bulging with money, except to those for whom money is the only thing that matters. Blacks were certainly "victims" of Sterling's discriminatory housing policies, despite the NAACP awards that some like to point out.

many Whites that don't want to associate with Blacks do it NOT because they hate Blacks, but because they are AFRAID to say something that could be deemed as racist then you are opening a can of worms and many Whites would rather avoid that kind of confrontation

That is a very telling statement; a real gold mine. Any person who has genuinely examined themselves and could be "real" with other people would quickly discover there is not much to fear along those lines. That doesn't mean that prejudice doesn't exist, but that they could be more "up-front" and honest about it and not have to "walk on egg shells." (Assuming, that is, that they would like to let go of a lot of their racial fears and hatreds.) They might even find their Black, Latino, Asian, and other brothers and sisters wrestling with some of the same feelings. But used to the extent that all association is avoided? Wow. That only justifies what so many Blacks have been saying about Whites all along.

The truth is this: the "confrontation" that most Whites really want to avoid is with their own deep-rooted sense of white supremacy. In a country like the United States, where Whites hold most of the wealth and power, this basic fact is what non-Whites have to confront each and every day: Whites who want them to be more "white" so that Whites can feel a minimum of discomfort.

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There was no requirement for Richards to be in Harlem or Compton -- plus there were far fewer witnesses in a stand-up comedy club than for a cable-TV program watched by millions.

Once again, you are dodging the issue! Cable is an arena where you can't hear or see the outrage! TV is a totally different environment. Again, There is NO way Maher or ANY other White person comedian or NOT can go into ANY predominantly Black area and comfortably use that word, never and if you can't and won't admit that, then there is something wrong with your thought process.

Yes, there are some black people that would not tolerate that word coming out of the mouth of a white person, no matter what the context. And many would also not "tolerate" a white person getting into an accident where a Black child was injured, regardless of who was at fault. So what?

So what? Where have I heard that before? Ahh, what difference does it make? I see, so we are going that route. Meaning: Yes, it's bad, but I really have no argument, I feel uncomfortable and want to move this conversation forward. All because you liberals say so?

All that leads to is how ludicrous your point is, that you should have to depend on such an irrational "audience" to "prove" it. (Keep in mind that, in the Detroit incident, a Black nurse came upon the scene and got the attackers to stop beating up on Utash while she administered first aid to him. Many Whites turn a completely blind eye to that, relying on the irrational criminal elements to justify their prejudices.)

That's not the point. You make excuses for White liberals such as Maher that have a deep political agenda. But if it is a conservative that utters contempt or insults minorities like Sterling and Bundy, you guys want to run them out of town. This is what drives me nuts about you partisans. The point is racism should be condemned, period! Regardless of political affiliation. And don't give me liberals are more tolerant BS, because it that were, they wouldn't be so hostile towards conservatives at every corner. The party that CLAIMS to be tolerant is anything but!

To be a genuine liberal is to strive at all times to be aware of one's own prejudices and biases -- and the effect they have on the fair treatment of other people.

So then why are Blacks suffering so heavily under liberal leadership, minorities all together basically. Bias, liberals are aware of what it is to be biased. So you are saying that applies to people ONLY that follow liberalism, but if it's Blacks, Hispanics or Whites that are conservative, then it's not necessary to be tolerant.

As mentioned above, sports is one area where race should NOT matter. And yet, as the article clearly shows, it still does. It doesn't matter a bit that a Black athlete's pockets are bulging with money, except to those for whom money is the only thing that matters. Blacks were certainly "victims" of Sterling's discriminatory housing policies, despite the NAACP awards that some like to point out.

Very true and I have Zero sympathy for people like Sterling on anyone that is a racist, but I do have a problem when an outdated organization like the NAACP wants to nominate a conservative White looney racist: Sterling and wants to elect liberal loud mouth racist: Sharpton, both are in the same both are vile, rude, cowardly and repugnant.

That is a very telling statement; a real gold mine. Any person who has genuinely examined themselves and could be "real" with other people would quickly discover there is not much to fear along those lines. That doesn't mean that prejudice doesn't exist, but that they could be more "up-front" and honest about it and not have to "walk on egg shells." (Assuming, that is, that they would like to let go of a lot of their racial fears and hatreds.) They might even find their Black, Latino, Asian, and other brothers and sisters wrestling with some of the same feelings. But used to the extent that all association is avoided? Wow. That only justifies what so many Blacks have been saying about Whites all along.

So it's ok for Blacks to be direct and honest and I mean the Blacks that have contempt for Whites, it's ok, but for Whites to show or voice contempt for Blacks is punishable crime, you have to be now ostracized?? How is that fair? This is political correctness gone amok!

The truth is this: the "confrontation" that most Whites really want to avoid is with their own deep-rooted sense of white supremacy. In a country like the United States, where Whites hold most of the wealth and power, this basic fact is what non-Whites have to confront each and every day: Whites who want them to be more "white" so that Whites can feel a minimum of discomfort.

No, what you mean, you want Whites to feel sorry for being White as if it is a sin and because of what happened hundreds of years, now Whites have to bear the burden and walk around in shame for being something they are, but never asked for or chose to be? But Blacks have the right to say anything they want and the media ignores it and there are almost never any repercussions. This is a fundamental reason why so many Whites are afraid to engage Blacks because out of fear of being labeled a racist and who wants that. It's NOT because of color! Whites of today don't have to apologize for anything for what happened 50 years ago or even 400 years ago. You guys want to hold onto it because it is a crutch for liberals and it is the best way to avoid and deflect from issues that really do matter. Don't speak out for all Whites, please speak for yourself.

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In a related story, a Black player -- P. K. Subban -- of the Montreal Canadiens (NHL) hockey club just received nearly 20,000 tweets with threats and the N-word from white Boston Bruins "fans" after scoring a winning goal in overtime in a recent playoff game. The kind of racist abuse that Jackie Robinson had to endure is indeed still alive and well. I can't think of an example of a single white sports figure who has ever faced anything similar in terms of wholesale mass abuse from people of color. And yet there are racist Whites who will try to insist that it "works both ways."

Cable is an arena where you can't hear or see the outrage!

The outrage that Richards faced, came in the aftermath, and it certainly was televised. Maher used the word with millions of witnesses and there were no repercussions whatsoever. End of story.

You make excuses for White liberals such as Maher..

I haven't made a single excuse for Maher. I simply noted the fact above. Period.

But if it is a conservative that utters contempt or insults minorities like Sterling and Bundy, you guys want to run them out of town.

The penalties levied against Sterling were not imposed on him by "us guys." When the elegant racism of racist Whites in leadership positions crosses over the line to become obvious, oafish racism, it is usually the conservatives who make the show of throwing those who've given their game away under the bus.

So then why are Blacks suffering so heavily under liberal leadership

If I consider the areas where Blacks are prospering best in fully integrated communities, places like Seattle and Portland (OR), as well as Windsor and Toronto in Canada come to mind. All have had liberal leadership for many decades. I know of no such large-scale, prosperous and healthy African-American communities under conservative regimes. None. Moreover, I trust Black people to determine for themselves what is in their best interests.

So it's ok for Blacks to be direct and honest and I mean the Blacks that have contempt for Whites, it's ok

You apparently think it is ok, since you previously stated that you prefer Malcolm X -- for whom Whites were "sub-human devils" for most of his adult life -- to ML King, who advocated mutual respect for all.

No, what you mean, you want Whites to feel sorry for being White as if it is a sin and because of what happened hundreds of years, now Whites have to bear the burden and walk around in shame for being something they are,

The thousands of whites -- who represent many thousands more -- who tweeted racist epithets to the Black hockey player have, in my opinion, something to feel ashamed about. Those kinds of incidents are a clear indicator that organizations like the NAACP, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the Jewish Anti-Defamation League are still necessary in American society. It's very clear that conservative Whites do not have sufficient respect for the choices that the vast majority of Black people make when it comes to selecting a leader, which is the visible tip of an iceberg of a much deeper-rooted contempt. It is that very deep-rooted contempt that causes many Whites to feel defensive and so sensitized that they'll be seen for that "something" they truly are.

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The outrage that Richards faced, came in the aftermath, and it certainly was televised. Maher used the word with millions of witnesses and there were no repercussions whatsoever. End of story.

Televised. Richards was at the comedy club with a lot of Blacks sitting there, got into a confrontation with a heckler and got pissed off and called the guy the N-word. If Maher got pissed off and did it, HBO would pull the plug on him, everyone knows that, therefore, if you are White, you cannot say that word in public, maybe, if you are very, very lucky in some forms to make humor at something, yes, but in an agitated state, NEVER! Not even Maher is that stupid. Again, Maher is NOT Black and can't cozy up to Blacks thinking he can get comfortable with that word, he just can't. If you think otherwise, then you are not dealing with reality.

I haven't made a single excuse for Maher. I simply noted the fact above. Period.

The fact is, you just want to make excuses for White liberals as being experts on knowing and thinking how Blacks feel and putting them in a monolithic category.

The penalties levied against Sterling were not imposed on him by "us guys." When the elegant racism of racist Whites in leadership positions crosses over the line to become obvious, oafish racism, it is usually the conservatives who make the show of throwing those who've given their game away under the bus.

Not just conservatives, Libs practically invented the word racism. Racism has been used more times in the last 5 years than any other word, period. It's the platinum card of choice.

If I consider the areas where Blacks are prospering best in fully integrated communities, places like Seattle and Portland (OR), as well as Windsor and Toronto in Canada come to mind. All have had liberal leadership for many decades. I know of no such large-scale, prosperous and healthy African-American communities under conservative regimes. None. Moreover, I trust Black people to determine for themselves what is in their best interests.

I had NO idea, Toronto was part of the U.S.! Here are the real results and facts and why Blacks generally are falling behind. http://modernsurvivalblog.com/current-events-economics-politics/top-conservative-and-liberal-cities-in-the-united-states/ This is the result of falling in lock step with Liberal philosophy.

You apparently think it is ok, since you previously stated that you prefer Malcolm X -- for whom Whites were "sub-human devils" for most of his adult life -- to ML King, who advocated mutual respect for all.

Malcom changed his point of view later in his life, you failed to recognize that. So if George Wallace can change, the same can't be said for Malcom, but you gloss over the fact that Dr. King had extra-marital affairs, but libs once again overlook this, that's not important, right? cheating on your wife is ok, but calling people names is not? Oh, the liberal hypocrisy at its worst.

The thousands of whites -- who represent many thousands more -- who tweeted racist epithets to the Black hockey player have, in my opinion, something to feel ashamed about. Those kinds of incidents are a clear indicator that organizations like the NAACP, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the Jewish Anti-Defamation League are still necessary in American society. It's very clear that conservative Whites do not have sufficient respect for the choices that the vast majority of Black people make when it comes to selecting a leader, which is the visible tip of an iceberg of a much deeper-rooted contempt. It is that very deep-rooted contempt that causes many Whites to feel defensive and so sensitized that they'll be seen for that "something" they truly are.

What a bunch of BS! As I said before, you have loons in all colors and all political affiliations, the difference is, most Blacks have been conditioned to think one ideology when they don't even fit that mantra. Even there is division among hispanics, many that come to the U.S. often vote Democrat, but then after a generation or when they start to have children, open their own businesses, they often changed. Most of the Cuban community are conservative, they understand what it's like to live under a dictator communist regime and don't want that in their new homeland, they understand the difference. They like most Hispanics and Blacks are against abortion, gay marriage, high taxes and big government. Blacks hold on to a party that has given them nothing. Again, go to Orange County, California and see how well Hispanics and Asians are doing in a heavily conservative district of the greater L.A. and go to L.A. county near Compton, Watts, Boyle Heights, it's like night and day. Stop making excuses that idiots like Bundy and Sterling are old White racists and that liberals are incapable of ever being racists. No sane and fair person would ever believe that! The fundamental problem are Blacks walking around with a chip on their shoulder thinking that EVERY White person is a racist and what are they doing? Prejudging which =prejudice! The very thing that Blacks hate, they are now doing to Whites, prejudging. That is insulting and then Blacks wonder why many Whites are nervous to hang around some Blacks for fear or saying the wrong thing. Who wants to live like that. But you can't say the truth, because that would make you a racist. Think about this, look at the jobs poor hispanics do. Most Blacks would never do those jobs, no matter what. They would rather take government assistance. I don't blame them, but the perception for many people is or at least for most conservatives, you stand on your own two feet and you do it without government help. Hispanics think, I need to take care of my family, I will do whatever it takes. They work hard, very hard. Now contrast that with many Blacks that are born in the states, that will NOT do these low paying jobs, they are horrible, but at least it's a job, but they feel they are too good for that. You have more Blacks incarcerated, Blacks have the highest out of birth wedlock and the highest crime rate for petty crimes are committed by Blacks, so it's the White mans fault for that? Old people like Bundy and Sterling are thankfully the last generation of a dying group of people that once echoed the sentiments of how a vast majority of Americans thought at one point, but as you said, Blacks are smart enough to determine what is in their best interests and yet, many of them made very poor decisions. Perceptions come from a lot of how people see things around them. Hip Hoppers, not being able to use and speak in the English Language properly, showing tendencies to be violent towards Whites doesn't help that perception.

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Per the article:

“And it’s going to keep happening until we really begin to do something constructive (about discussing race in America),” she told AFP, “as opposed to just having someone apologize until somebody else messes up.”

One of the key points in the dialog about race in America is this latest conservative meme about Blacks being better off under slavery than they are in America today. I was born and raised in Detroit and lived close enough to Canada to ride my bike across the Ambassador Bridge to Windsor any time I wanted, which was pretty often. Windsor had a fairly large Black population, with many families tracing their roots back to escaped slaves from the U.S. Even though a mile or so of the Detroit River separated the communities, they seemed a world apart in terms of race relations. I spent quite a bit of time trying to understand the reason for the vast difference.

One thing that could be ruled out is "liberal policies." If liberal policies make Black people worse off than they were as slaves -- as so many U.S. conservatives ludicrously claim -- than they should be especially bad off in Canada. But such is clearly not the case. The Black hockey player who received many thousands of racist tweets from white U.S. hockey fans almost certainly went his entire life growing up in Toronto without experiencing that kind of abuse.

It eventually occurred to me that one of the biggest differences, to put it briefly, is history, and especially our different attitudes towards historical figures. Canada didn't have founders who were overt racists and slave-holders, and who defended "human beings-as-property" in their founding documents. They have a very good understanding of their own history, as well as the history of the United States. (I had to learn from Canadians that America attacked their country during the War of 1812, and actually wanted to annex it.) In America, we have truly ignorant conservatives like Michele Bachmann telling audiences that the "founding fathers" worked "tirelessly" to end slavery. Any sixth grader -- or Canadian fourth grader -- knows that just isn't so. So why the attempt to spin history? Doesn't that fit nicely with the illusion that Blacks were always happy and singing while they were being whipped to pick cotton, or lynched when they acted up?

After leaving Detroit to serve in the military, I eventually settled to live in Seattle, Washington, for nearly seven years. So I know both places very, very well. And so, along with the "Blacks Better Off as Slaves" meme and the "Founding Fathers Really Did Work Hard to End Slaverly" meme, we have the "Look How Good Top Conservative Places Are (and How Bad Top "Liberal" [sic] Places Are)" meme. Presented to us as some kind of ultimate truth.

The conservatives have found a "study" by some group calling itself the Bay Area Center for Voting Research. It turns out the group is a radical conservative front which does nothing resembling actual scientific research, but spews garbage that conservatives use to try to "prove" their memes. Topping their list of "most liberal cities" is my old home town of Detroit, where much of my family still lives. My second home, Seattle, is way down the list at number 16.

Seattle is a far more liberal place, and here is why: Detroit is in Wayne County which is more conservative than the city itself, and is bordered by (suburbs) Oakland and Macomb Counties, which are very conservative, thanks to "white flight." For decades, the suburbs have drawn out of Detroit and gave relatively little back to it. Seattle is in King County, which is extremely liberal, and is also surrounded by very liberal suburbs and counties in the very liberal state of Washington. It is no wonder the prosperous conditions of Black Americans in that area more closely resembles conditions in Canada than they do in the political shrinking "island" of Detroit. (The state of Washington, although named after a slave-holder, has no history of racial supremacy that it has to defend. It also has one of the most highly educated populations in the United States -- on a par with Canada.)

The bottom line is that prosperous places for non-Whites will have far fewer conservative supremacists living nearby who have and use their power to isolate them from resources and suck them dry. A greater sense of community and "We're all in this together" pervades, rather than racist whites turning tail and running for the hills, and otherwise avoiding all contact out fear of being revealed as they are. Where tensions exist, they are discussed with a higher degree of integrity, intelligence and honesty than "our Fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery." Whites in Seattle (or in Windsor) do not have to "walk on eggshells." As a nation, Canada strives for a more equitable outcome for ALL its citizens -- something that is anathema to modern U.S. conservatives.

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Racism in American society and sports only applies to Black and Latinos.

While racial comments and discriminatory practices against Asian Americans, on the other hand, is acceptable.

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Canada is NOT the utopia that you think it is for Blacks. Been there numerous times myself, I just to perform out there as a musician up in Hamilton and Kitchener. I know the Toronto area very well. There is a large Somalian population that is also struggling to fit in to Canada, part because most are muslims and the other because they are Black. Something I was reading the other day about Blacks in Canada.

Discrimination is not just in the streets, it affects Blacks chances in job market as well. “Canada’s Colour Coded Labour Market”, a study conducted by Sheila Block and Grace-Edward Galabuzi for the Centre for Policy Alternatives, examined racialized and non-racialized groups in Canada. A racialized group is one that is treated as if they are different by society, In 2005 they found Blacks earned 75.6 cents for every dollar a non-racialized worker earns, for an annual earnings gap of $9,101. And that the unemployment rate was 73% higher for Blacks than for Whites. Black Canadians continue to struggle with racial discrimination in Canada, even though promised a better life where everyone is equal. It is our job as citizens to educate ourselves on this problem and to fix it.

Once again, debunked. Look, are there communities where Blacks do exceptionally well, there are, but Blacks are at the bottom of the poll (sadly) with a very high incarceration rate among Black men, they are a dying species. And the Democrats have done NOTHING to curtail the problem. Look at Chicago, it's a complete mess, and NOT only Chicago, Philadelphia as well and many parts of the West coast. Oakland, Compton, Watts and who is responsible for that, Asians? Hispanics? Whites? No, it's Blacks. You just don't want to see it for what it is, because if someone points that out, then they are a racist.

One thing that could be ruled out is "liberal policies." If liberal policies make Black people worse off than they were as slaves -- as so many U.S. conservatives ludicrously claim -- than they should be especially bad off in Canada. But such is clearly not the case. The Black hockey player who received many thousands of racist tweets from white U.S. hockey fans almost certainly went his entire life growing up in Toronto without experiencing that kind of abuse.

I already debunked that argument. There are a lot more racists in Canada then you think.

Black leadership is absent in most of these communities, Yes, the liberal Black leadership is Non-present. I grew up in near Newport Beach, very conservative and every Black that I know did exceptionally well for themselves, everyone. Environment is the key here. Where we grew up, you could walk down any neighborhood and feel safe, when I was a kid, sometimes we didn't even lock our door, a lot has changed, but still compared to how most other predominately high crime Black areas, you would never think of it. The neighborhoods are a disaster, stray dogs running everywhere, they don't tend to their neighborhoods for the most part. Now go to Alhambra a predominately Asian community that is about 40 min away North and you will see, you can practically eat off the floor. Even in Korea town, which used to be originally a heavily Jewish area and then the Blacks and Hispanics took it over and the neighborhood went down, businesses closed down or relocated crime and murder rate was on the rise. About 20 years ago, the Koreans are moving in, redesigning the area, cleaning it up, the area sparkles with life and you see clubs and amazing restaurants all over the place, property value is steadily going up. So what's the reason? Are they smarter, No. Why are they so successful, because they have the drive, will and motivation, you can't wait for opportunities, you have to be greedy and take it, which means, you have to speak properly, know the English language, stop cursing, care about your appearance and stop complaining the White man did me wrong. If you want to go that route, then everybody should complain and have reasons to. The Irish, the Scots, the Ainu, the Native Americans and on and on and on... We need to get over this and we need to get over color. I don't care what color you are as long as you are a hardworking proud American, I couldn't care less. Get that chip off your shoulder. Everyone suffered on this planet. All that hate that racists Blacks spew is what gives people like Bundy and Sterling something to talk about. It's all about perception. The only thing that works for Blacks and I am exclusively talking about the MAJORITY of them is self-reliance and less government, more disposable income, cut taxes and increase incentives, but liberals want to keep Blacks on the government tit.

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All that hate that racists Blacks spew is what gives people like Bundy and Sterling something to talk about.

So, it's the white conservative's position that Sterling's and Bundy's racist statements towards all African-Americans can be blamed on a small segment of the Black community. Noted.

Canada is NOT the utopia that you think it is for Blacks.

When a liberal puts forward the point that there's a vast difference in race relations between two communities separated by a mile and half of water, the conservative response is that the point is "debunked" because the more harmonious of the two (by far) is not a Utopia. The liberal never claimed it to be a utopia -- simply that things were better -- and I have to note that, since no conservative promises utopia, asserting that the liberal's argument has to meet that standard demonstrates the inability of many conservatives to dialogue with integrity.

If anything has been debunked, it is the conservative assertion that liberal policies make life worse for Blacks, and that they were better off as slaves. The example of Canada, where Blacks aren't faced with anything near the level of the racism found in the U.S., proves it.

An honest dialogue about race is needed, but many conservatives are not up to it. And here's a clip from the post above that shows why:

"Black Canadians continue to struggle with racial discrimination in Canada, even though promised a better life where everyone is equal. It is our job as citizens to educate ourselves on this problem and to fix it."

Yes, Canadians know they are not a Utopia for all minorities. There is always room for improvement. But note that the emphasis for fixing the problem lies on all citizens. This is in stark contrast to white conservatives in the U.S. who put all of the responsibility on minorities: "you have to speak properly, know the English language, stop cursing, care about your appearance and stop complaining the White man did me wrong."

In short, if a White person does a Black person wrong, they are not to complain about it. The Black community must accept that, when Whites like Sterling and Bundy make racist statements, it is the Black community as a whole that is to blame. And since "utopia" is the standard conservatives force their opponents to uphold to, Blacks must no longer be human, but perfect -- or perfectly White -- before conservatives might consider accepting them.

Note very carefully the difference: In the U.S., conservatives will take a societal problem such as racism and point to the "Black leadership" as bearing the responsibility, which reveals the separatist, if not supremacist, mentality. (Blacks must change to fit the conservatives' superior mold and stereotypes.) In liberal societies, the responsibility lies on "ALL citizens."

I could not have hoped for a better outcome to this discussion than what you have revealed in your posts. Thank you.

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When a liberal puts forward the point that there's a vast difference in race relations between two communities separated by a mile and half of water, the conservative response is that the point is "debunked" because the more harmonious of the two (by far) is not a Utopia. The liberal never claimed it to be a utopia -- simply that things were better -- and I have to note that, since no conservative promises utopia, asserting that the liberal's argument has to meet that standard demonstrates the inability of many conservatives to dialogue with integrity.

But I just showed you things are not as good as you think they are and I posted the incarceration rate among Blacks is even in Canada the highest, so evidently, we do have a serious problem here. For some odd and benign reason when the narrative of a debate doesn't adhere to a liberals, the conservative is seen as an uneducated troglodyte which is not only childish but a bit insulting as if liberals are The chosen people of sensibility, which is complete and utter nonsense to even bring forth that outlandish bias opinion.

If anything has been debunked, it is the conservative assertion that liberal policies make life worse for Blacks, and that they were better off as slaves. The example of Canada, where Blacks aren't faced with anything near the level of the racism found in the U.S., proves it.

Sorry, virtually every study has shown it, every one of them. I can give you example after example. Canada as well, but let's stick with the U.S., so why are Blacks suffering more under Obama than any other president?

Yes, Canadians know they are not a Utopia for all minorities. There is always room for improvement. But note that the emphasis for fixing the problem lies on all citizens. This is in stark contrast to white conservatives in the U.S. who put all of the responsibility on minorities: "you have to speak properly, know the English language, stop cursing, care about your appearance and stop complaining the White man did me wrong."

Because that is what self-reliance calls for. Again, in the areas where I grew up, EVERY conservative African American was well off, highly educated, confident and did it without the help of anyone. We had to fight for our nation, unlike The Canadians, it was given to them. So if you think the way to help someone is make them more dependable to the government, be my guest, but I don't want anything from the government.

In short, if a White person does a Black person wrong, they are not to complain about it. The Black community must accept that, when Whites like Sterling and Bundy make racist statements, it is the Black community as a whole that is to blame. And since "utopia" is the standard conservatives force their opponents to uphold to, Blacks must no longer be human, but perfect -- or perfectly White -- before conservatives might consider accepting them.

Apples and Oranges, Whites are not responsible for anyone, you don't see Asians in America or Canada blaming and asking White people to help them and yet they managed in the larger city to take over everything, they are high achievers, so why is that? Other minorities have to make it on their own, give them the tools, but let them make their own way, that's the only true way for them to become successful, especially if they want to compete with Hispanics and Asians, which are the fastest growing demographic. Blacks don't have to be perfect, they just need to be weened off of the government pocket book and they will prosper rapidly.

Note very carefully the difference: In the U.S., conservatives will take a societal problem such as racism and point to the "Black leadership" as bearing the responsibility, which reveals the separatist, if not supremacist, mentality. (Blacks must change to fit the conservatives' superior mold and stereotypes.) In liberal societies, the responsibility lies on "ALL citizens."

Yabits. That's nonsense, liberals and people like the president, Holder and Sharpton are the real race haters and have and continue to create this great divide and chasm of the separation of the races, because that is what liberals want. Thinking that the government owes you and walking around thinking "where are my 40 acres and a mule?" Will never get you anywhere and it's time that liberals stop with these shenanigans. a strong America is an America where hard work, strong family values and ethics will always help you succeed and not dependence which will ultimately pull you down.

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