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By Nathan Layne and Alexandra Ulmer

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Earlier this month, two of Trump's potential running mates – Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina and North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum – declined in TV interviews to commit to accepting the results in November.

Another, Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio, said in an interview with CNN on Sunday that he would honor the outcome if the election was "free and fair" but said Republicans should be ready to pursue any problems.

MAGA seems united that any result which is not a Trump victory is automatically not free and fair.

https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/4665353-republicans-2024-election-noncitizen-voter-fraud-disinformation/

Trump has shifted the Overton Window of American politics way over to the right of authoritarianism.

FACT.

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Again? How did that work out the last time?

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these people need to grow up.

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It’s ok. He was just joking when he suggested the idea of a third term. It’s locker room dictator type banter.

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Trump never accepted defeat in 2020. Why would he accept it in 2024? He stated all hell would be let loose if he failed to become president.

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Donald Trump and his allies are laying the groundwork to contest a potential loss in November,

That's one of the more bizarre liberal extremist conspiracies we've hear,

Trump is laying the groundwork to victory.

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“Republicans should be ready to pursue any problems.”

Sure, go for it.

The 60+ court cases last time didn’t work out but the whole lie did bankrupt Rudy, incarcerate 460+ rioters and keep the Cyber Ninjas busy looking for bamboo fibers.

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America wasn't great during Trump's first term.

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Mr. zebala -- Someone yesterday made the comment: Trump is the savior. Not Jesus, not god, not angels, but Trump. It's not likely that the far right will accept defeat, even if Biden wins 10,000,00 to 25. The planned groundwork will probably make January 6th look like a boy scout outing. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me.

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America wasn't great during Trump's first term.

You're right. It was an absolute nightmare.

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Of course they're going to whine when they lose....they know they can't win...it's a clear admission...

And as has been mentioned, they have lost over 60 cases in court trying to prove fraud, and audit after audit by teams THEY HIRED found no fraud - and in Arizona MORE VOTES for Biden...

This is classic tin-pot Dictator 101 stuff...which is where Trump and his MAGA-authoritarians want to take us...

They'll destroy our democracy turning the US into a mirror of Russia under Putin and China under Xi...

There's a reason all the pro-Russia/China posters here align themselves with the MAGA-warriors...

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Trump has instructed the Republican National Committee, now led by his daughter-in-law and a close ally, to prioritize building out a team of poll watchers and lawyers to monitor the vote and litigate potential post-election challenges

Some real nepo-fascist stuff there.

No presidential candidate in U.S. history has completely taken over the party machinery by stocking it with family members and other loyalists.

Wake up, people.

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Trump never accepted defeat in 2020.

What?

Why would he accept it in 2024? He stated all hell would be let loose if he failed to become president.

The bigger question is, will Democrats accept a Trump win, that is what I am worried about.

America wasn't great during Trump's first term.

Not for the rich elite and the swamp establishment, it wasn't.

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Some real nepo-fascist stuff there. 

Democrats?

No presidential candidate in U.S. history has completely taken over the party machinery by stocking it with family members and other loyalists. 

No Presidential candidate resonated so much with the average American blue-collar worker and people in rural areas of this great nation.

Wake up, people.

Oh, they are.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden

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Trump never accepted defeat in 2020

He claimed voter fraud in 2016 too.

Of course, his idiotic claim that millions of illegals voted in 2016 was thrown out.

Claiming fraud is what he does. He’s very predictable.

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Trump never accepted defeat in 2020.

What?

WHAT?

Two days ago: "I thought we won it in 2016. I thought we won it in ’20 — I know we won it in 2020," Trump said during a speech at the Minnesota GOP dinner in St. Paul. Trump added, "We got to watch those votes."

The false claim was the latest in a spate of election denialism and conspiracy theories the former president has promoted since his 2020 presidential loss.

President Joe Biden won Minnesota in 2020 with 52.4% of the state's votes, compared to Trump's 45.3%. The margin between the two candidates was more than 233,000 votes."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/donald-trump-falsely-claims-won-minnesota-2020-presidential-election-rcna152884

Why would he accept it in 2024? He stated all hell would be let loose if he failed to become president.

The bigger question is, will Democrats accept a Trump win, that is what I am worried about.

So why did MAGA-nation storm and defile the Capitol on Jan 6th? Why were they going to hang Mike Pence?

America wasn't great during Trump's first term.

Not for the rich elite and the swamp establishment, it wasn't.

You've already admitted Trump added to the Swamp - Tillertson, Sessions, Mattis. Kelly, Cohn, Epstein, Barr, Milley, Zinke, Pence, et al...

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yeah, that's the thing no one talks about.

trump accomplished nothing as president.

period.

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He claimed voter fraud in 2016 too.

And in the 2015 Iowa GOP primary, where he accused Ted Cruz of cheating.

And he claimed fraud when his TV show didn’t get an Emmy. Twice

There’s a clear pattern here. I don’t get how this isn’t obvious to everyone.

Oh, and he cheats at golf.

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He claimed voter fraud in 2016 too.

Yes.

Of course, his idiotic claim that millions of illegals voted in 2016 was thrown out.

Now that so many witnesses and testimonies have come out, there seem to be many more irregularities than normal, something that never happened before.

Claiming fraud is what he does. He’s very predictable.

With what we know now, the merits seem to be pointing in that direction.

Kind of interesting though how this admin, particularly the DOJ is so resistant to subpoenas and congressional hearings involving this, usually if they are steadfast and confident beyond a shadow of a doubt they would be running to throw mud on the GOP, but they're not, very telling.

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No Presidential candidate resonated so much with the average American blue-collar worker and people in rural areas of this great nation.

Why does he have to take control of the RNC then? Installing loyalists and family members?

Doesn’t sound very grass roots to me.

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And in the 2015 Iowa GOP primary, where he accused Ted Cruz of cheating. 

Different scenario.

And he claimed fraud when his TV show didn’t get an Emmy. Twice 

Working in the business, I can emphatically say, that these things in Hollywood happen all the time, political favoritism and handshakes go a long way. This is why the awards shows are a bunch of bombastic lies, even if you take Trump out of the equation.

There’s a clear pattern here. I don’t get how this isn’t obvious to everyone. 

When you know you're in the right, no reason to back down.

Oh, and he cheats at golf.

Like as if anyone cares, it's golf for Christ's sake, watched Basketball or Baseball lately?

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He claimed voter fraud in 2016 too.

And in the 2015 Iowa GOP primary, where he accused Ted Cruz of cheating. 

And he claimed fraud when his TV show didn’t get an Emmy. Twice

It is incredible that he has this pattern of behaviour and is still taken seriously.

Is there anyone on board with all his claims of fraud or is it more of an a la carte approach?

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Why does he have to take control of the RNC then?

Because he is the Republican frontrunner, it is his party.

Installing loyalists and family members? 

Kennedy's, Bush's, Roosevelt's nothing new.

Doesn’t sound very grass roots to me.

You are looking at it in the wrong way.

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It is incredible that he has this pattern of behaviour and is still taken seriously.

Because millions of people feel the same way he does. 

Is there anyone on board with all his claims of fraud or is it more of an a la carte approach?

Many more, but in the US things depend on when you are President, your DOJ can give you the cushion and support as well as backup, and keep you politically insular, so as long as this admin has the keys to the files, nothing will change or be revealed, just won't happen.

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To date, Trump is not nominated.

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Is there anyone on board with all his claims of fraud ( 2016 and 2020 presidential elections, Ted Cruz cheating in 2015, fraud depriving him of an Emmy ) or is it more of an a la carte approach?

Anyone?

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To date, Trump is not nominated.

He will be.

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Trump and his MAGA supporters fear defeat in 2024 knowing there is at least some possibility.

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—It is incredible that he has this pattern of behaviour and is still taken seriously.

Because millions of people feel the same way he does. 

He’s their avatar for irrational feelings of victimhood.

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With what we know now

What do we know now about widespread voter fraud? Do tell.

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Trump never accepted defeat in 2020. 

What?

Huh?

America wasn't great during Trump's first term.

Not for the rich elite and the swamp establishment, it wasn't.

Sure it was. Did you hear about the tax cuts? Has it trickled down yet?

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America wasn't great during Trump's first term.

Not for the rich elite and the swamp establishment, it wasn't.

Ha ha ha! Comedy gold !

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No Presidential candidate resonated so much with the average American blue-collar worker and people in rural areas of this great nation.

Completely fraudulent claim for a president and businessman who regularly defrauded blue-collar workers as part of his regular business practices.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

Again, documented hundreds of times.

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