Trump using election lies to lay groundwork for challenging 2024 results if he loses

BanthuToday 06:41 am JST

debunked claims or outrageous theories with no basis in reality.

THE CLAIM: Russia controlled the 2016 election and manipulated it so Trump won.

THE FACTS: That was investigated and proven to be a hoax. The corporate media and the Democrat party flooded Americans with disinformation and about so-called Russian collusion.

THE ACTUAL FACTS: It was investigated and a claim could not be made either way. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence Trump is in fact a russian asset.

THE CLAIM: Trump has alleged, without evidence, that Democrats have allowed millions of migrants to enter the country illegally so that they can be registered to vote. In an interview with Newsmax in September, Trump alleged such efforts were already underway.

"They are working overtime trying to sign people, illegally, to vote in the election," he claimed. “They’re working overtime to sign people and register people — many of the same people that you just see come across the border. Which is probably their original thought, because why else would they want to destroy our country?”

THE FACTS: It takes years for newcomers to become citizens and only citizens can legally cast ballots in federal elections. Isolated cases of noncitizens being caught trying to vote — like a University of Michigan student from China arrested for allegedly casting an illegal ballot — do not reflect a larger conspiracy.

Research has shown noncitizens illegally registering and casting ballots is extremely rare and usually done by mistake.

With all of Trump's claims it would be logical just to assume they are not backed up by facts and evidence and just go from there.

It should worry all the Americans casting votes from abroad that Trump is casting doubts on these ballots too.

“Officials in the state say the discovery and investigation into the applications — not votes — is evidence the system is working as it should.”

Which sadly won’t stop the rabbit hole conspiracy spreaders from believing anything to avoid facing their miserable reality.

The article lays out the facts, but MAGA-world doesn't care about facts, just like all other cults...

It's total fealty to the cult leader, and the only thing that comes out of his orange mouth are god-like truths and pronouncements...

Except when he says "the vaccine is safe and it works"....they don't buy in to that god-like truth so much...

But even when he tells them to take "poison", they still revere him...then they stamp their feet and yell, "we're not a cult"...

Its not lies, 2 days ago a Democrat voter said the machine didnt select her vote, today theres been loads of people videoing their vote for Trump and it not accepting it then Kamala Harris has been highlighted as the vote. Its literally being filmed to build the fraud case. Everyone is filming to prove it.

I love how the legacy leftist media will assert "election lies" to dismiss out of hand what they don't like. They are not journalists. They are propagandists for the side they support. Marx would be proud.

I love how the legacy leftist media will assert "election lies" to dismiss out of hand what they don't like

So are you on board with Trump’s claims of mass election fraud in 2016, 2020 and 2024?

There is also the dessert of Trump claiming that Ted Cruz ( whose father Trump claimed was in on the JFK assassination) stole Iowa from him in 2016 due to mass fraud.

I find Trump supporters take an a la carte approach to this. I prefer those who go all in.

Personally, given Trump’s non-existent relationship with the truth and love of conspiracy theories which he should’ve grown out of by now, I’m a bit more sceptical.

of course he and his minions are planning to kill representative democracy. they hate it.

While a normal tactic in almost all elections, the difference is Trump's last insurrection attempt.

We expect, and barely, tolerate lies from our politicians. We do not tolerate violent overthrow.

Its not lies, 2 days ago a Democrat voter said the machine didnt select her vote, today theres been loads of people videoing their vote for Trump and it not accepting it then Kamala Harris has been highlighted as the vote. Its literally being filmed to build the fraud case. Everyone is filming to prove it.

You're getting played by Russia - or colluding with them...

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-russia-georgia-fraud-disinformation-eebea4ab200682ccd3e97fb9f164e6ca

I love how the legacy leftist media will assert "election lies" to dismiss out of hand what they don't like.

You should "love" it when false, bogus, fabrications are exposed - if you love democracy...

They are not journalists. They are propagandists for the side they support.

Did any of them have to pay $787 million for lying to their viewers?

Marx would be proud.

Groucho - laughing at the far-right delusion...

More of the same drumbeat from the partisan media. Fact is, there is some scamming in everything as big complicated as such elections; the only question is if the scale is big enough to decide it. That is why elections should be auditable.

In the current case you can bet on that in case the team Trump loses, the media chorus will immediately be that the elections were absolutely perfect and any attempt to audit them is a call for fascism or something like that. In case team Trump wins, the media chorus will immediately be hat there were cheating, and an investigation about hanging chads or whatnot is needed. Guaranteed.

TaiwanIsNotChina

THE ACTUAL FACTS: It was investigated and a claim could not be made either way. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence Trump is in fact a russian asset.

Just out of curiosity: How can one claim at the same time that a) elections are absolutely secure and b) that the Kremlin can influence it? I would like understand this conceptual miracle.

There was a lot of voter fraud and interference in the election from the mainstream media, social media, and search engines in the 2020 election. Domininion claimed that the voting machines were not connected to the internet and that they could not be accessed remotely to change any of the voting data. That was not true. In the Arizona Dominion hearings, IT security experts got into the Dominion machines easily through the SQL software and was able to flip and switch votes with a few clicks. They accessed the machines remotely with computers, usb flash drives, and iphones.

"Cybersecurity Expert Confirms and Provides Examples of How Backend SQL Management Software Can Be Used on Voting Machines to Alter Results" Gateway Pundit April 4, 2023

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/cybersecurity-expert-confirms-sql-software-on-voting-machines-real-time-manipulation-of-votes-on-dominion-voting-software-demonstrated/

CrashTestDummy

There was a lot of voter fraud and interference in the election from the mainstream media, social media, and search engines in the 2020 election

Of course there was. There always was and will be some. The Google search manipulation is not even a secret. The question how much influence such meddling had. Robert Epstein estimated that search engine manipulation alone can swing up to 20% of undecided voters. What is bizarre is the claim that an election is absolutely perfect, with the exception of Putin being able to influence it via Facebook ads. But there you go..... some people will believe anything.

some people will believe anything.

Indeed...

"They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats," 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5llMaZ80ErY

Cheating....

As in paying off an porno star extra marital affair partner so as not to negatively influence public opinion just before the 2016 electction.

Trump is irrelevant to Republican/Democrat Conservative/Liberal Right wing/Left wing, what have you. He is toxic to the very soul of the country.

I think if we were to rank Trump’s claims of stolen elections in terms of believers, his claim that millions of illegals voted in 2016 which deprived him of the popular vote is probably the least subscribed to.

The fact that he won in 2016 probably has a lot to do with this.

The Ted Cruz stealing Iowa claim is obviously less consequential. I don’t remember exactly how Cruz supposedly did this.

Do any of our alternative media readers remember Cruz’s nefarious scheme?

“Officials in the state say the discovery and investigation into the applications — not votes — is evidence the system is working as it should.”

But that is the thing, in some areas it is not working as it should, and turning away Trump voters and closing the doors and not allowing them to turn in their ballots early was a huge indicator, but thankfully this time they are on guard and caught it, I have to hand it to the Trump team, they are on these cases like flies on feces, can't have cheating under ANY circumstances.

Which sadly won’t stop the rabbit hole conspiracy spreaders from believing anything to avoid facing their miserable reality.

No, not when we see the videos and hear the complaints, we won't and why should we?

“Officials in the state say the discovery and investigation into the applications — not votes — is evidence the system is working as it should.”

But that is the thing, in some areas it is not working as it should, and turning away Trump voters and closing the doors and not allowing them to turn in their ballots early was a huge indicator, but thankfully this time they are on guard and caught it, I have to hand it to the Trump team, they are on these cases like flies on feces, can't have cheating under ANY circumstances.

Which sadly won’t stop the rabbit hole conspiracy spreaders from believing anything to avoid facing their miserable reality.

No, not when we see the videos and hear the complaints, we won't and why should we?

Nothing says "we know we're going to lose" in MAGA-world more accurately than the switch to "The Big Lie ver 2.0"....

But we saw that fairy tale play out in 2020 - when Fox lied to its viewers and had to pay out $787 million...then Giuliani lied and had to pay out $345 million...and the 62 failed court cases...

America ain't fallen' for that hot tub of lies anymore...

Nothing says "we know we're going to lose" in MAGA-world more accurately than the switch to "The Big Lie ver 2.0"....

But we saw that fairy tale play out in 2020 - when Fox lied to its viewers and had to pay out $787 million...then Giuliani lied and had to pay out $345 million...and the 62 failed court cases...

Not sure what that has to do with the present and the complaints that are being filed now as we speak

America ain't fallen' for that hot tub of lies anymore...

I agree and thank God the GOP got it together this time.

This year, he is backed by a sophisticated “election integrity” operation built by his campaign and the Republican National Committee that has filed more than 130 lawsuits already and signed up more than 230,000 volunteers being trained to deploy as poll watchers and poll workers across the country on Election Day.

If you wargame it out, which we should be doing with the election days away, there is the ..

GOOD- The Biden admin is in command of the machinery of gov, the military and bureaucracy. Harris is VP.

BAD- In 2020 the GOP was not 100% onboard with election denial. Now all the way up to the Speaker of the House Johnson this is an article of faith for the GOP. They have had years to stack the courts and local officials.

Looks like chaos to me.

Now all the way up to the Speaker of the House Johnson this is an article of faith for the GOP. They have had years to stack the courts and local officials. 

Looks like chaos to me.

How so?

A federal judge ruled Sunday that Iowa can challenge the validity of hundreds of ballots from potential noncitizens despite critics arguing that it will threaten the voting rights of recently naturalized citizens

Well, this is some very encouraging news that came out. Again, props to the GOP for being on the ball with this.

Source: NY Post

Everything Trump says is now a lie. If elected he'll remember Project 2025.