Under attack from Trump, institutions bend but don't break

Congratulations, USA!

Democracy faces many stress tests globally.

It is our duty to ensure it prevails, and that post-truth politics is unceremoniously dumped.

Claims with lack of evidence have besmirched US democracy from the inside, more than outside enemies like North Korea, China, Iran, et al. could've ever done

North Korea, China, Iran. et al. try to embarrass US democracy all the time, but nothing has done as good a job of embarrassing US democracy as these claims with lack of evidence from the inside - an inside job if ever seen one

Let's also not forget that some of the worst despotic regimes arose from eroding democratic institutions from the inside, not from directly overthrowing the democratic institutions from the outside (not gonna give names - ya can figure it out). In effect, using democracy to break itself, and from there arose a powergrabber who would "save" the people in exchange for security

Hundreds of thousands more deaths than had to be, because of the worst kind of incompetence and corruption. The best I can say of T**** is that he could have been worse.

Trump started the year with such high hopes then bang the pandemic came along and wrecked his administration.

Yup, it sure did.

Then bang Biden wins a historical landslide victory with both the popular vote and the EC.

Yeah. Sure. Biden got more votes than Hillary, more than Obama, more blacks voted for Biden than Obama, so that makes it over 92%....yeah, of course they did. ROFL!

Got to have hurt him.

Well, in 2 years we’ll say the same when the Dems lose the House, but Trump as every legal right to fight this, he will and should and especially how this election was conducted over 90% of Republicans think the election was rigged 10% of Democrats think so, these people aren’t going anywhere, doesn’t mean it will change the outcome, but they’re not going to sit back, forget, go away or not be proactive to make sure nothing like this happens again.

Then bang Biden wins a historical landslide victory

Easy there. Everyone here knows I'm emphatically not a Trump supporter, but a landslide Mr. Biden's victory was not. A historical landslide is what Mr. Reagan won in 1980 when he won 44 states. As much as the thought of that win makes the vomit rise in my throat, that was a landslide of epic proportions. Mr. Biden won a clear victory but it wasn't a landslide either much less "a historical landslide victory".

Trump as every legal right to fight this

But where's the solid evidence?

Ya can fight something as long as ya can back it up with solid evidence

Absence of such solid evidence, and with dozens of courts all over the country with both Republican- and Democrat-appointed judges plus the Supreme Court saying there's lack of evidence, it just becomes a frivolous lawsuit

There are people who file lawsuit after lawsuit with no solid evidence behind them (it's not hard to file lawsuit after lawsuit), and that's what this has become

In effect, he's actually proving the opposite of what he's trying to accomplish - with court after court and the Supreme Court saying there's lack of evidence, he's proving time and time again that the recent US elections is believable and trustworthy

Because for every legal test that the US elections passes in the courts, it reassures Americans that they have a credible** system

(**Credible doesn't mean 100% fool-proof - with over 100 million people voting, I'm sure there's a portion who would try to cheat. But credible means that portion is so small enough that it doesn't affect the overall outcome.)

But again, it all comes back to solid evidence. Many people are fine with legally challenging in the courts because everyone is curious to see what solid evidence there is. But it's now been over a month, and after overpromising so much, the lack of solid evidence has been underdelivered

Having legal right is one thing; having solid evidence to back up that fight is another. He has the first; he doesn't have the latter - and the latter makes the 1st embarrassing

Trump as every legal right to fight this

The US has laws against frivolous lawsuits, and can sanction lawyers who bring up cases for reasons other than reaching a legal ruling on it.

In this case, the Trump team knew they lost all along, and that they didn't have any evidence or proof. Their whole goal was to create mistrust in the system, so that Trump could steal the election, and claim it wasn't actually stolen.

Any lawyer that represented him in court with a frivolous lawsuit is a traitor to America, by creating mistrust in both the judical and electoral systems.

Any lawyer that represented him in court with a frivolous lawsuit is a traitor to America, by creating mistrust in both the judical and electoral systems.

Sorry but Article III of the US Constitution defines treason very narrowly, a lesson learned from the abuses of British monarchs. Article III Section 3:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."

A reminder to those still clinging to the words of Rudy Giuliani, sworn affidavits absent corroborating evidence are no more than heresay in every court in the US. Heresay evidence is not admissible in criminal courts and only a small number of states allow admission of heresay evidence in their criminal courts.

This is how weird this whole thing has become. I am posting two accounts of the same event as they each contain different information. Between the two you get a fuller picture of what happened. Truth is stranger that fiction.

https://people.com/crime/ex-houston-cop-allegedly-pointed-gun-vote-mastermind/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-houston-police-captain-mark-aguirre-assault-bogus-election-fraud-scheme/

I should have said:

Heresay evidence is not admissible in criminal courts and only a small number of states allow admission of heresay evidence in their civil courts.

The unfit occupant of the White House, in addition to his attacks on democracy (was he acting under the tutelage of his handlers in R****a?), combined with the incompetent way the C-19 pandemic was handled and his retrograde misadministration of the United States of America, has brought the nation to its knees.

It will take decades, if ever, to recover from this travesty.

And he wants to run for office in 2024 ... I suggest the slogan should be: “Let’s Make the USA Insane Again”.

When you have half of the population that doesn’t believe the election was conducted fairly you have a serious problem and that elephant is not going away as long as the allegations aren’t addressed, it’s all there is to it. So for the next 4 years the incoming administration will go through the same defiance they dished out themselves last election cycle, the will and so many of the witnesses weren’t heard so they will fight on until their questions are answered.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/526464-half-of-republicans-in-new-poll-say-rigged-election-was-stolen-from-trump

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/18/21573145/poll-trump-election-fraud-allegations-republican-voters

Yeah, it's sad that there is a subset of the population so low intelligence as to still believe the lies they are told,

But swallowing the Dems lies was a definite masterstroke....

the very judges who determine the law - all said that Trump and his cronies are full of it.

Some judges also wanted to keep Flynn locked up and not allow him to see the sun rise again and he was thwarted for overreaching his judicial authorities, so it happens, judges are people and political that was the problem as well and Trump fixed that wrong.

But don't pretend it's half the population that is this low intelligence

We fill the same about the other half, so we are at a political impasse.

When you have half of the population that doesn’t believe the election was conducted fairly you have a serious problem

Yeah, it's sad that there is a subset of the population that still believe the lies they are told, even when the arbitrators of that truth - the very judges who determine the law - all said that Trump and his cronies are full of it.

That's a serious problem.

But don't pretend it's half the population that lacks the ability to recognize his lies - Trump voters numbered 70 million, out of a population of 360 million. That's only slightly more than one in six Americans.

We fill the same about the other half, so we are at a political impasse.

Not even. You guys have lost the popular vote seven out of the past eight elections. And the guy you choose before that was a failure who only survived a single term.

Not even. You guys have lost the popular vote seven out of the past eight elections.

We don’t base election win by popular votes, but yeah, Biden is more popular and more liked than even Obama?? Yeah, ok...lol

And the guy you choose before that was a failure

Joe beat him by 10 years.