What should I do on the death anniversary? More are asking as U.S. mass killings rise

What changed after the mass killings?

Very sad story, tragic.

But not sad enough to actually do anything about, eh?

Thank God for "thoughts and prayers"

But not sad enough to actually do anything about, eh?

Like what? Ban guns, won't happen

Thank God for "thoughts and prayers"

Yes.

But not sad enough to actually do anything about, eh?

Of course not. Black people and elementary schoolers are acceptable losses when balanced against the right to be able to cosplay a commando and plink cans in one's backyard with an AR, just like in the movies.

Of course, we could take away all the doors, too.

Bullets, thoughts, and prayers are never far away in the US.

Of course not. Black people and elementary schoolers are acceptable losses when balanced against the right to be able to cosplay a commando and plink cans in one's backyard with an AR, just like in the movies. 

Of course, we could take away all the doors, too.

Again, when the Dems controlled congress and had the WH, the Dems had the chance back in 2010 and 2020 to change existing gun laws across the board they didn’t. So the left can’t say jack.

Again, when the Dems controlled congress and had the WH, the Dems had the chance back in 2010 and 2020 to change existing gun laws across the board they didn’t. So the left can’t say jack.

Yeah. American lawmakers don't care about mass shootings and gun violence. Nothing new there.

Yeah. American lawmakers don't care about mass shootings and gun violence. Nothing new there.

No, it's just they know it won't work regardless of whatever strict law they pass. Ask yourself this, did Prohibition work?

No, it's just they know it won't work regardless of whatever strict law they pass.

Although there are plenty of examples of countries with strict gun laws and far fewer mass shootings and much less gun violence.

did Prohibition work?

Nope. And nor did the war on drugs. But then, I don't advocate for a total ban on guns. I owned a couple myself and used them quite regularly. It should be far more difficult for any Tom, Dick and Mary to get hold of almost any type of firearm they want though.

Although there are plenty of examples of countries with strict gun laws and far fewer mass shootings and much less gun violence. 

Ok, but I don't care about other countries, I care what happens in my country, other countries wouldn't elect a black President or PM, Austria has made some headways, but other than that...

Not to mention we have a 2nd amendment and they don't.

Nope. And nor did the war on drugs. But then, I don't advocate for a total ban on guns. I owned a couple myself and used them quite regularly. It should be far more difficult for any Tom, Dick, and Mary to get hold of almost any type of firearm they want though.

I understand that, but if you really want to change things then you have to accept reality and not pull punches because of political correctness, enforce the laws and police presence where most of the violence occurs, take a zero-tolerance approach, allow the police to do their jobs using any tool in their arsenal to get the job done, otherwise, you are just wasting your time. If you have no healthy fear of the police and the justice system, you have a problem.

other countries wouldn't elect a black President or PM

England, Belgium, Iceland to name a few have multi-racial or LGBTQ prime ministers. America is only unique in making a fuss about electing a colored president. Maybe you better compare your country with Afghanistan, Yemen just to name a few countries where daily shootings are an order of the day, and women will never be able to run for presidency.

Ok, but I don't care about other countries, I care what happens in my country, other countries wouldn't elect a black President or PM, Austria has made some headways, but other than that...

For the first half, fair enough. The rest..um, what?

Not to mention we have a 2nd amendment and they don't.

Keep it. Really.

I understand that, but if you really want to change things then you have to accept reality and not pull punches because of political correctness, enforce the laws and police presence where most of the violence occurs, take a zero-tolerance approach, allow the police to do their jobs using any tool in their arsenal to get the job done, otherwise, you are just wasting your time. If you have no healthy fear of the police and the justice system, you have a problem.

Better policing? Sure. As long as it's fair and reasonable. Which means the States has a long way to go. Another unarmed black kid, an 11-year-old, shot in his own home by a police officer responding to a distress call the other day. So you have a fear of the police. But it's not a healthy one.

other countries wouldn't elect a black President or PM

The election of a single black male in 247 years to president.

The current British PM is Indian. Three female PMs.

Ring the toll bell daily.

Not to mention we have a 2nd amendment and they don't.

Which only says muskets in a well-organized army.

Words spoken by an ignorant American, 

No, not ignorant, spot on.

England, Belgium, Iceland to name a few have multi-racial or LGBTQ prime ministers.

I was talking about African origin.

America is only unique in making a fuss about electing a colored president.

No, the left did, conservatives didn't care. Now what was that about ignorance again?

Maybe you better compare your country with Afghanistan, Yemen just to name a few countries where daily shootings are an order of the day, and women will never be able to run for presidency.

No, because we are a first-world nation, money, first and Second Amendments free to make as much money as you want to pursue happiness to the fullest extent without reprisals because of your race, sex, or religion. As they say, when the US sneezes everyone catches a cold.

Which only says muskets in a well-organized army.

Like everything life evolves and so did the firearm, the law-abiding citizens are the army.

Keep it. Really. 

Most definitely

Better policing? Sure. As long as it's fair and reasonable. Which means the States has a long way to go.

No, up until two years ago it was fine, and look at the inner cities now

Another unarmed black kid, an 11-year-old, shot in his own home by a police officer responding to a distress call the other day. So you have a fear of the police. But it's not a healthy one.

Then don't engage in crime and you don't have to worry, also if the majority of urban crimes are committed by blacks then why wouldn't the police profile them more, that is not racist, that is following the stats, I get it. it is very uncomfortable, but pretending it doesn't exist or it is not an issue is not helping the problem. But the feelings aside, allow the officers to do their job, they will be able to get this under control, if not, then we just keep our heads buried in the sand and just pretend none of this is real.

The British PM is of 100% Indian origin. Obama is biracial to be correct. Kenyan father and white mother. But Obama identifies as an African American.

Ok, but I don't care about other countries, I care what happens in my country, other countries wouldn't elect a black President or PM, Austria has made some headways, but other than that...

Seems like you do care.

Which only says muskets in a well-organized army.

Like everything life evolves and so did the firearm, the law-abiding citizens are the army.

But still, there are limits. No tanks, missiles, explosives, or nukes. CBRN weapons.

It's illegal to make any new fully automatic firearms in the U.S. today. Machine guns fall under the fully automatic category, and these types of guns are also largely impossible to own, buy, or sell anywhere in the United States.

https://gunsafetytrainingpro.com/us-illegal-guns/

The 2nd amendment is not free for all.

No, up until two years ago it was fine, and look at the inner cities now

That doesn't even begin to address the point I made.

Then don't engage in crime and you don't have to worry,

He wasn't. As I said, he was an unarmed kid in his own home who was shot in the chest by a police officer responding to a call that wasn't about him.

But the feelings aside, allow the officers to do their job, they will be able to get this under control, if not, then we just keep our heads buried in the sand and just pretend none of this is real.

Again, I have no problem with cops (and courts) doing their jobs. As long as they do it fairly and appropriately. So, not how the cops in the US do it, quite regularly and openly.

There is a mental health imbalance in the USA society that no other society have when it came to mass shooting or killing. You can take away the guns but that not going to fix the core problem of the imbalance of nutters wanting to kill as many people they can before they get killed. USA has a medical industry not a health system. So nutters in their society go unchecked until it is too late. A free universal health care systems would see the number of nutters decease overnight. The USA public has to ask this question not gun law question because any gun laws like what Australia has will start a civil war. The horse has bolted on that issue so it to late to close the gate. Fix to root of the problem by having less nutters.

tThere is mental heath issues in the USA society tha

Pretty obvious which commenters have spent their whole lives in suburbia with no experience in the hood.

Obama is biracial to be correct.

No one talks about his white side, no one.

But Obama identifies as an African American.

Of course because for one thing, he doesn't have any real distinguishable Caucasian features.

Seems like you do care.

No, not in the sense of racial identity, but when it comes to social issues, the left tickle me, they want to blame liberal policies on the people that are hired to keep the peace, and they want strong gun control, but even when they have majorities in congress as well as the WH they do absolutely nothing. They know it won't make a difference and as a gun collector and strong 2nd amendment supporter it won't make a bean of difference, ban guns and the market will go underground, it's that simple.

He wasn't. As I said, he was an unarmed kid in his own home who was shot in the chest by a police officer responding to a call that wasn't about him. 

Sad, but these things can happen.

Again, I have no problem with cops (and courts) doing their jobs. As long as they do it fairly and appropriately. So, not how the cops in the US do it, quite regularly and openly.

I disagree with the last part. Most of the largest store chains are leaving many black communities because they no longer feel safe and the police can't guarantee their safety anymore, this is what the Democrats defund the police policies have done to the black communities

No, not in the sense of racial identity,

But you did because you posted the US was the only country to elect a black African-origin president.

Mass murders don't just happen in Democrat states, they also happen in Republican ones too. Like Texas.

But you did because you posted the US was the only country to elect a black African-origin president.

Yes, I was talking specifically about people of African origin.

Mass murders don't just happen in Democrat states,

No, but they happen more in black communities where people vote predominantly Democrat.

Sad, but these things can happen.

Can and do. Regularly. Disproportionately. In the US.

Most of the largest store chains are leaving many black communities because they no longer feel safe and the police can't guarantee their safety anymore, this is what the Democrats defund the police policies have done to the black communities

Links, please and thank you. Kind of makes my point about the poor standard of policing, doesn't it? I disagree with defunding the police. I have a lot of respect for those police officers who are actually good at their jobs. I think they should be fully funded- to provide de-escalation training, community outreach, weapons and non-lethal force training and so-on.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Here’s Why

"A new study published in *Journal of the American Medical Association’s Surgery *found that firearm deaths are more likely in small rural towns than in major urban cities, adding to research that contradicts the common belief that Democratic blue areas have higher incidences of gun-related deaths than do Republican red districts."

States With The Highest Gun Death Rates

According to data from the CDC, these are the states with the highest firearm mortality rates per 100,000 in 2021:

Mississippi had a firearm mortality rate of 33.9, making it the state with the highest rate in 2021. The state also used its electoral votes to vote for then President Trump in the 2020 election.

Louisiana had a firearm mortality rate of 29.1 and voted for Trump.

New Mexico had a firearm mortality rate of 27.8 and voted for President Biden.

Alabama had a firearm mortality rate of 26.4 and voted for Trump.

Wyoming had a firearm mortality rate of 26.1 and voted for Trump.

Alaska had a firearm mortality rate of 25.2 and voted for Trump.

Montana had a firearm mortality rate of 25.1 and voted for Trump.

Arkansas had a firearm mortality rate of 23.3 and voted for Trump.

Missouri had a firearm mortality rate of 23.2 and voted for Trump.

Tennessee had a firearm mortality rate of 22.8 and voted for Trump.

South Carolina had a firearm mortality rate of 22.4 and voted for Trump.

Oklahoma had a firearm mortality rate of 21.2 and voted for Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/?sh=73f752d01f81

Can and do. Regularly. Disproportionately. In the US. 

It is a bigger nation, diverse, with different climate, culture, way of life etc.

Links, please and thank you. Kind of makes my point about the poor standard of policing, doesn't it?

I don't think so, but I do know that when you have aggressive policing it always works, you don't have that and you will have lawlessness.

I disagree with defunding the police. I have a lot of respect for those police officers who are actually good at their jobs. I think they should be fully funded- to provide de-escalation training, community outreach, weapons and non-lethal force training, and so on.

I agree with you except on that last part, I think cops should be able to use deadly force if there is a serious potential danger to the officer's life or the public in general, the bad guys can use firearms, but the cops can't. That would be a suicide mission.

States With The Lowest Gun Death Rates

Massachusetts has a firearm mortality rate of 3.4 and voted for Biden.

Hawaii has a firearm mortality rate of 4.8 and voted for Biden.

New Jersey has a firearm mortality rate of 5.2 and voted for Biden.

New York has a firearm mortality rate of 5.4 and voted for Biden.

Rhode Island has a firearm mortality rate of 5.6 and voted for Biden.

Connecticut has a firearm mortality rate of 6.7 and voted for Biden.

New Hampshire has a firearm mortality rate of 8.3 and voted for Biden.

California has a firearm mortality rate of 9.0 and voted for Biden.

Minnesota has a firearm mortality rate of 10.0 and voted for Biden.

Nebraska has a firearm mortality rate of 10.3 and voted for Trump.

Iowa has a firearm mortality rate of 11.2 and voted for Trump.

Washington has a firearm mortality rate of 11.2 and voted for Biden.

Vermont has a firearm mortality rate of 11.9 and voted for Biden.

Maine has a firearm mortality rate of 12.6 and voted for Biden.

Wisconsin has a firearm mortality rate of 13.5 and voted for Biden.

Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Here’s Why

But what the stat doesn't tell you is where are most of these crimes in those states coming from and this is what is so annoying about the left's stats, most of these are overwhelming from the minority communities, again, most. No one is disputing it doesn't happen in Red states, but when you peel back the onion you see a lot of layers that make it a lot more complex.

, I think cops should be able to use deadly force if there is a serious potential danger to the officer's life or the public in general, the bad guys can use firearms, but the cops can't. That would be a suicide mission

As do I. But not against unarmed 11-year-olds, teenagers in dressing rooms, people minding their own business in their own homes until police turn up to the wrong address, or fail to identify themselves before executing warrants, responding to distress calls, pulling over drivers and then beating them to death and so on. Recent examples of all of which exist.

Massachusetts has a firearm mortality rate of 3.4 and voted for Biden.

Hawaii has a firearm mortality rate of 4.8 and voted for Biden.

New Jersey has a firearm mortality rate of 5.2 and voted for Biden.

New York has a firearm mortality rate of 5.4 and voted for Biden.

Rhode Island has a firearm mortality rate of 5.6 and voted for Biden.

Connecticut has a firearm mortality rate of 6.7 and voted for Biden.

New Hampshire has a firearm mortality rate of 8.3 and voted for Biden.

California has a firearm mortality rate of 9.0 and voted for Biden.

Minnesota has a firearm mortality rate of 10.0 and voted for Biden.

Nebraska has a firearm mortality rate of 10.3 and voted for Trump.

Iowa has a firearm mortality rate of 11.2 and voted for Trump.

Washington has a firearm mortality rate of 11.2 and voted for Biden.

Vermont has a firearm mortality rate of 11.9 and voted for Biden.

Maine has a firearm mortality rate of 12.6 and voted for Biden.

Wisconsin has a firearm mortality rate of 13.5 and voted for Biden.

Here is what they don't tell you, most gang members in NYC, Chicago, and California commit crimes with street guns, so why would that show up in the stats? it wouldn't, and the rest of the States don't have a high Black and Latino population because the standard of living exceeds $100K well above the average income for blacks.

or fail to identify themselves before executing warrants, responding to distress calls, pulling over drivers and then beating them to death and so on. Recent examples of all of which exist.

I understand, but I just disagree. I think cops should always be able to use the element of surprise, that is an indispensable tool to use.

I understand, but I just disagree. 

You disagree that unjustified shootings and beatings of innocent people are misuses of police powers? Ok.

I think cops should always be able to use the element of surprise, that is an indispensable tool to use.

That's just babble. People have rights, you know.

You disagree that unjustified shootings and beatings of innocent people are misuses of police powers? Ok.

No, I disagree with limiting police powers.

That's just babble. People have rights, you know.

Yes, all the more reason to empower the police with more powers to use to get crime under control because, as you said, people have rights too.

Wish away, does not wash away.

The Learned Journal of the American Medical Association’s Surgery.

The gun mortality rate means all gun deaths whether by registered weapons or street weapons. There are no illegal guns. There are just guns killing people every day.

How about the right not to be shot? How about the right of the little schoolchildren to go in the morning and return home in the evening? Don't they have rights?

No, I disagree with limiting police powers.

Police should have unlimited powers? So they don't need probable cause? They can detain you without reason for as long as they like? Unlimited searches and seizures? No presumption of innocence? Unlimited use of force?

What were you saying about rights?

Police with unlimited powers are called a Police State.

Wish away, does not wash away.

Yes.

There are no illegal guns.

Yes, there are.

There are just guns killing people every day.

And saving them as well.

Police with unlimited powers are called a Police State

So you think we should do for the FBI, at this point I think we should. If you put it like that.

The FBI does not have unlimited powers, You want that too?

Within the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI is responsible to the attorney general, and it reports its findings to U.S. Attorneys across the country. The FBI's intelligence activities are overseen by the Director of National Intelligence.

The FBI’s activities are closely and regularly scrutinized by a variety of entities. Congress—through several oversight committees in the Senate and House—reviews the FBI’s budget appropriations, programs, and selected investigations. The results of FBI investigations are often reviewed by the judicial system during court proceedings.

Police should have unlimited powers? So they don't need probable cause?

I don’t think so when it is a dangerous want to suspect that they’re looking for

They can detain you without reason for as long as they like?

If there is a suspicion that there could be something even more concerning, by all means

Unlimited searches and seizures? No presumption of innocence? Unlimited use of force? 

Yes, again, under the same circumstances as outlined

What were you saying about rights?

I meant what I said.

The FBI does not have unlimited powers, You want that too?

I thought so as well, but not now

Within the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI is responsible to the attorney general, and it reports its findings to U.S. Attorneys across the country. The FBI's intelligence activities are overseen by the Director of National Intelligence.

Lol

The FBI’s activities are closely and regularly scrutinized by a variety of entities. Congress—through several oversight committees in the Senate and House—reviews the FBI’s budget appropriations, programs, and selected investigations. The results of FBI investigations are often reviewed by the judicial system during court proceedings.

Ok, you believe that if you want, I don’t, I won’t, especially now more than ever.

How can there be any illegal guns when the 2 amendment says everyone can have them? All guns leaving the factory are legal. Many states even have few gun laws.

Guns in the hands of civilians kill more people than save them.

I meant what I said.

Right. With a lot of whens and ifs. So you do agree that police powers should be limited, and that they shouldn't shoot and beat unarmed, innocent people. Which isn't, "I disagree with limiting police powers," as you said before. Good.

If Trump wins in 2024 will he abolish the FBI?

No, just fire the top echelon of the organization and implement new changes and push to restore trust and confidence back.

How can there be any illegal guns when the 2 amendment says everyone can have them? All guns leaving the factory are legal. Many states even have few gun laws.

easy, steal them, erase a steel number, so I’m on the streets for $20 each, that equates to stolen, and what we call a Street gun.

Guns in the hands of civilians kill more people than save them.

I disagree.

How many people are saved by guns used by civilians (not cops)?

1 million guns are stolen from homes every year. There are thousands of gun fairs where a weapon can be bought without any background check. Guns can be purchased online or ordered in parts from a manufacturer.

So they don't need probable cause?

I don’t think so when it is a dangerous want to suspect that they’re looking for

If they know the suspect is dangerous then that IS probable cause. Geez. You are saying they should be able to pick just anyone up off the street for no reason and detain them. Or, search their body, vehicle or house with no reasonable justification. That's what is meant by unlimited police powers.

How many people are saved by guns used by civilians (not cops)?

Ask the thousands of cops who’s lives that were saved by guns

1 million guns are stolen from homes every year.

Big market.

There are thousands of gun fairs where a weapon can be bought without any background check. Guns can be purchased online or ordered in parts from a manufacturer

You just made my point for me, that’s why we will never get rid of guns, now you get it. They are everywhere.

So you do agree that police powers should be limited,

Not really when it comes to wanted suspects

and that they shouldn't shoot and beat unarmed, innocent people. Which isn't, "I disagree with limiting police powers," as you said before. Good.

Sorry, but please don’t put words in my mouth, I was quite specific where I stand on the issue.

If they know the suspect is dangerous then that IS probable cause.

To detain someone, yes.

Geez. You are saying they should be able to pick just anyone up off the street for no reason and detain them.

Stop and frisk worked, it got thousands of guns off the street when Giuliani implemented it.

Or, search their body, vehicle or house with no reasonable justification. 

If you go by the crime stats, absolutely!

That's what is meant by unlimited police powers.

Yes.

Not really when it comes to wanted suspects

So, shoot and kill suspects before any kind of trial. Ok.

Sorry, but please don’t put words in my mouth, I was quite specific where I stand on the issue.

I didn't. I quoted you saying that police should have unlimited powers, and then explained what that meant, because it's the opposite of what you said later.

Stop and frisk worked, it got thousands of guns off the street when Giuliani implemented it.

And was stopped by a federal court because it violated the Constitution. You know, the document that outlines people's rights.