Young conservatives target 'wokeism' on U.S. campuses

I also think it's quite telling when someone thinks sports are so important that we should bar transpeople from playing them just on the off chance that they MIGHT have an advantage. 

Wow. You’re way over the common sense radar with that laughable comment.

Might! have an advantage?

Earlier this season, Thomas set pool, program, and meet records, 38 seconds ahead of the next-closest female Penn swimmer in one event.

38 seconds above the next female swimmer. Thomas was eventually beaten though, by another transgender swimmer.

painkiller Apr. 21 11:44 pm JST

Thankfully there are still students who speak out against this inane woke, cancel culture.

I see. It's inane (not sure why you use that word) to support the right of transpeople to do sports.

Even other transgenders like Caitlyn Jenner say

Jenner is transphobic, and quite often says very bigoted things about transgender people, which her community then condemns..

Also, what one transwoman says should not trump everything that doctors have said, which is that when transwomen transition when young and begin hormone therapy, what advantages they had disappear because their musculature changes.

I also think it's quite telling when someone thinks sports are so important that we should bar transpeople from playing them just on the off chance that they MIGHT have an advantage.

Personally, I think it's more about them not being cisgender than it is about their having an advantage, because funnily enough, the people who are so worried about this never showed any interest in womens' sports before conservatives started ranting and raving about it.

I did.

No, you didn't.

This person didn't have a platform that was taken away, because she never had a platform - she is not in the media. The claim is that people who formerly had platforms to speak from are being silenced. To de-platform and cancel them means they need to have had a platform in the first place.

This person quit, and was not fired.

This person supported blackface - that is arguably a horrible thing, which you'd think everyone would be against, and not just liberals.

But even if I were give this one to you, you still haven't show the kind of pattern that would justify stating that censorship and cancelling are as big of a problem as people are saying it is.

What is really happening is that ordinary people who are not famous or in the media spotlight are finding themselves in trouble with their peers for being a bigot. That's not "being cancelled"; that's facing the consequences of your own actions.

Finally, you haven't answered yet: do you think it's kind to name-call transpeople and attempt to take away their rights via legislation? Still waiting on that answer.

One student asked him about the case of a female swimmer from the university who came second in a freestyle race against Lia Thomas, a transgender athlete whose participation in women's college championships has ignited major controversy.

"Our tradition of excellence has been affected by the woke left," lamented the young man, arguing that Thomas should not have been allowed to participate.

Thankfully there are still students who speak out against this inane woke, cancel culture.

Even other transgenders like Caitlyn Jenner say that Lia Thomas should not be allowed to compete against women. And so do many other women. They find a problem with allowing men to compete on womens' events.

girl_in_tokyoToday  06:04 pm JST

No one has yet been able to give a single example of someone who was actually cancelled.

I did.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yale-teacher-resigns-over-halloween-costume-controversy/

Lord DartmouthToday 04:16 pm JST

Rather lame attempt at a hit-piece, which implies that 'woke' is simply a figment of the right-wing imagination. Wokesters are trying to pretend that their ideology is actually the normal,

All that "woke" means is having the awareness that there are people in this world who are different from you, and that it's important to show them the same respect and give them the same rights as everyone else.

What it all boils down to is "not a bigot." And yes, I'd hope that IS normal, but to many people apparently it's a huge stretch they simply cannot make.

It's only a matter of time now before we move from cancellation and censorship to full-blown criminalisation of conservative opinions and the opening of psychiatric clinics/reeducation camps for malcontents and backsliders, in the old Soviet style.

No one has yet been able to give a single example of someone who was actually cancelled. As I said, some of the most awful people, like Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and of course, Mr. MAGA himself, still have GIANT platforms and book deals and megaphones and plenty of followers.

That's because we aren't as interested in shutting them down as we are in proving them wrong and changing minds. I'd rather Tucker stay on, because every couple of weeks he outdoes himself, making it easier and easier to point at him and laugh.

I mean really - toasting your scrotum with red light to make yourself more manly?! ROFL!! No, we NEED Tucker. He's THE perfect example of everything wrong with the right.

painkiller

Apr. 20 08:47 pm JST

But if people think it is ok to attack conservatives for being conservative, well, you can see where this is going.

So do you draw any distinctions between "the left," or "liberals," and "bad people?" It doesn't look like it.

Rather lame attempt at a hit-piece, which implies that 'woke' is simply a figment of the right-wing imagination. Wokesters are trying to pretend that their ideology is actually the normal, resting state of the human brain, and the background to this is clear: the 'Long March through the Institutions' beloved of Rudy Dutschke et al has reached its destination within the last few years. The deranged left has access to the levers of power. They are no longer in opposition because they have become the establishment. This is why they attempt to deny that they even have a political position; it's convenient to say that anything who disagrees with you must be a weirdo.

It's only a matter of time now before we move from cancellation and censorship to full-blown criminalisation of conservative opinions and the opening of psychiatric clinics/reeducation camps for malcontents and backsliders, in the old Soviet style.

bass4funk Today 1

No, most conservatives are very open-minded but are very critical when it comes to things that are very self-explanatory and rational in the sense, they won't be pushed into anything that liberals feel or think the goalposts of life should move to depend on which way the wind blows and deeply concerned about social justice for all and NOT just for a selected group of people.

What exactly is rational about using legislation to bar teachers from talking to their students who are struggling with their gender or sexuality, and then accusing those teachers of being pedophiles who are grooming children for sexual exploitation? And this is just one example of the extreme irrationality of conservative views.

What you call "critical to things that are very self-explanatory" looks a heck of a lot like closed-minded ignorant bigotry to me, along with a healthy dose of science denial, since every medical and psychiatric association acknowledges the validity of gender identity.

And let's get real. White men, cisgender straight people, and white women, just to name three major groups, aren't in need of a social justice movement. So when you say "social justice NOT just for a select group of people" what I hear is "I don't want others to share in the power I have. I like having this advantage. I'm comfortable in my seat of power."

painkillerApr. 20 08:47 pm JST

Here is an example of wokism ending up in a person at a college losing their job; remember shrieking girl at Yale?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yale-teacher-resigns-over-halloween-costume-controversy/

So a university professor said that people should get to wear blackface, people protested, and she quit - and you want to use that an as an example of wokeism too far?

Do you know anything at all about the history of blackface? If you do, then I don't see how you can call it "wokeism" when people protest it.

Do you consider it nice calling a student a bigot, when he did not make any bigoted comments?

I asked you first, so why don't you answer first?

But sure, let's talk about which is worse: a bigot being called a bigot, or transpeople being denigrated and having their rights stripped away due to bigotry.

And did Harvey Weinstein, or Milo Yiannopoulos ( a gay man, married to a black man) denigrate transpeople?

Milo has denigrated transpeople, yes; but that's not what got him in trouble, is it. As for Weinstein, he's a rapist, and no one likes rapists.

But what is your point, here? I asked about people who were "cancelled" because of "wokeism."

Is Caitlyn Jenner denigrating transpeople when she said the NCAA needs to ‘protect women’s sports’?

Yes, she is. She's well-known to be transphobic. And yes, transpeople can be transphobic, just as women can be misogynist, gay people can be homophobic, and Black people can be racist.

What do you mean by denigrate? I have nothing against transpeople. But if people think it is ok to attack conservatives for being conservative, well, you can see where this is going.

By denigrate, I mean attack, belittle, disparage, vilify. This includes deadnaming, refusing to acknowledge the validity of gender transition, attempting to curtail transgender people's rights, as well as using generally derogatory language, such as "sick" "perverted" "unnatural", etc. which is regularly done.

The funny thing is, no one is attacking conservatives merely for being conservative. On the other hand, conservatives' views are being attacked, because those views are prejudiced.

They hardly leave us any choice. Conservatives can't seem to quietly live by their own value systems while letting others live by theirs. No, conservatives, particularly religious conservatives, want to force others to live by their conservative values via legislation. A good example of this is that Florida just passed the "don't say gay" bill, and other states are busy crafting their own. The line must be drawn when conservative's bigotry begins to negatively affect an already vulnerable population. We can hardly sit by and allow that to happen while saying, "oh, la de da, it's just their opinion, so that's okay...".

What's really interesting about your comment is that conservatives' views are attacked for good reason, while transpeople really are attacked merely for being trans.

This young conservative needs to watch Tucker Carlson's new series about "men who are tough, men who are resourceful, men who are strong enough to survive."

That would be good.

Good universities, like UVA, are built on a liberal (meaning open-minded), rational, and humanist world view.

Depending on who you ask. If radical institutions are your thing then go for it.

Most conservatives today are neither open-minded, rational, or concerned about social justice

No, most conservatives are very open-minded but are very critical when it comes to things that are very self-explanatory and rational in the sense, they won't be pushed into anything that liberals feel or think the goalposts of life should move to depend on which way the wind blows and deeply concerned about social justice for all and NOT just for a selected group of people.

and the betterment of society.

Which the liberal policies have not done.

Conservatism today is about grievance,

When you watch your country erode in a short space of a year and a half, it is.

denial of fact, and self-interest.

It would seem the very people that pushed these agendas are going to be without a job very soon because the country with its love and tolerance is still a center-right nation that believes in its traditions and culture and is nowhere near ready to become a radical social experiment for the woke crowd.

Here is an example of wokism ending up in a person at a college losing their job; remember shrieking girl at Yale?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yale-teacher-resigns-over-halloween-costume-controversy/

girl_in_tokyoToday  08:33 pm JST

Interesting.

Conservatives refuse to believe that transpeople exist, denigrate them at every turn, and are attempting to curtain their rights. 

I wonder if you consider that to be nice?

Do you consider it nice calling a student a bigot, when he did not make any bigoted comments?

And did Harvey Weinstein, or Milo Yiannopoulos ( a gay man, married to a black man) denigrate transpeople?

Is Caitlyn Jenner denigrating transpeople when she said the NCAA needs to ‘protect women’s sports’?

https://nypost.com/2022/01/19/caitlyn-jenner-on-lia-thomas-ncaa-needs-protect-womens-sports/

What do you mean by denigrate? I have nothing against transpeople. But if people think it is ok to attack conservatives for being conservative, well, you can see where this is going.

painkillerToday 05:32 pm JST

"They called me names, called me bigoted, like backwards and whatnot," the first-year student

It is not nice to call people bigoted. Why can't the woke crowd be nice?

Interesting.

Conservatives refuse to believe that transpeople exist, denigrate them at every turn, and are attempting to curtain their rights.

I wonder if you consider that to be nice?

"Many on the left have spent years agitating for a culture war," said the former vice president. "Looks like they got it and looks like they're losing," he added, to loud applause.

Here is an example of the woke crowd on college campuses trying to cancel the US flag:

Students at Hampshire College demanded the flag be lowered on Nov. 9, the day after the presidential election (2016). The next day, after the flag was hoisted at half-staff to “honor the students’ expression,” the college said, it was burned by someone who has yet to be identified by campus police.

Since Nov. 18, the school has done away with flying the flag altogether.

https://www.gazettenet.com/Hundreds-rally-at-Hampshire-College-American-flags-in-hand-to-protest-college-s-decision-not-to-fly-it-6407907

Once upon a time, and I remember it well, the U.S. had the Fairness Doctrine. The way people had a way of presenting an opposing view point to the public. Ronald Reagan killed the fairness doctrine and that meant people with the most money got the money free speech and the U.S. became a far more bitter place.

The is no such thing as "woke" -- mean silencing conservatives. They have all the "free (paid for) speech they want. No one is silencing the dumb conservative college kids. It just intelligent people find things like Trump and Fox News idiotic.

 Now, as a college student, he is banding together with like-minded conservatives to fight back against what they see as the tyranny of "wokeism."

They should fight wokeism

"They called me names, called me bigoted, like backwards and whatnot," the first-year student

It is not nice to call people bigoted. Why can't the woke crowd be nice?

Abby Hinton, a freshman, came to learn how to "defend" herself against those who "try to push their politics" in a university environment where left-wing ideas predominate.

It is not nice to push.

"Many on the left have spent years agitating for a culture war," said the former vice president.

The left are agitators.

"Looks like they got it and looks like they're losing," he added, to loud applause.

They are losing; looking forward to our next conservative president.

GBR48Today 08:24 am JST

Left wing censorship and right wing censorship are equally abhorrent, on campuses, in commerce and online. That includes backhanded and indirect censorship, such as 'cancelling',

Name one person who was cancelled. One person whose career was ruined, who disappeared from public view, and who no longer has access to public platforms to air their views - and who did not bring it on themselves or deserve it.

Let's talk about Milo Yiannopoulos, perhaps, who royally screwed up by taking his rhetoric too far and saying things that were interpreted to be soft on child molestation. I doubt you can find many people who think he deserves a comeback. and to have his voice elevated in the way it was before.

Or perhaps Harvey Weinstein, who was drummed out of Hollywood and convicted of rape. Do you mean him?

If you really put your thinking cap on, I think you'll realize that the people who have actually lost their seats in the public forum and no longer appear in public or have a slice of the pie in broadcasting or other media are all really and truly awful people that neither the right or the left wants to hear from.

Even someone as vile as Tucker Carlson has a TV show all his own, and even that sexual harasser Louis CK has made a comeback, and even someone convicted of rape - Bill Cosby - is still doing shows.

So I'm super duper curious if you can actually name enough people who have really and truly been cancelled that would justify stating that censorship and cancelling are as big of a problem as people are saying it is.

Because I don't see it. To me, it looks like all the awful people still have a good-sized audience, because there are a lot of awful people in the world to give them that audience.

Cancel culture, wokeism, and all the other buzzwords people love to throw around have zero meaning and are nothing but a dog whistle to get people riled up. It's PROPAGANDA.

I don't see how calling a bigot, a bigot, is a bad thing. If you harbor prejudices that are informed by stereotypes and ignorance, and are fueled by personal animosity and personal dislike aimed at a particular group of people as a whole, well, you're a bigot. Better to just embrace it and make your arguments for it, than be a coward and try to hide behind protestations and throw out accusations of "wokeism".

There is no such thing as "wokism". There are just normal people, living their normal lives, existing like everyone else, and you're calling them "woke" and attempting to using denigrating language simply because they won't tolerate your bigotry.

Sorry, but as a member of the LGBTQIA community, I'm not going to sit back and watch as I and my people are denigrated, and subsequently see laws passed that limit our rights and go, "oh well, la de da, it's just an opinion."

No - your bigoted opinion carries real-life consequences for us, so if you're going to express that opinion out loud to us, where we can hear you, then you better be ready for blowback.

"Who's upset about critical race theory even though they can't define it, don't know what it is? Republicans," he said.

This same thing can be said about "wokeness" and about most of the other weasel words which are used to stimulate small minds to respond much like dogs to Pavlov's bell, 'emotional salivation'. A good example of how little it is that many respect words for their meanings rather than their conditioned emotional reflex is Pence's speech and his being able to get away with what is essentially a lie :

"In front of a full house, Pence launched into a tirade against the "political indoctrination" which, he said, has replaced the "patriotic education" that Americans used to enjoy."

Anyone who respects words will find it difficult to distinguish a difference in actual meaning between the phrase "political indoctrination" and the phrase "patriotic education".

'Conservatives' would be a hoot if they weren't so pathetic and dangerous but 'Liberals' aren't much less dangerous in their own way. The mindless ideologues responding like robots to sound cues which completely bypass their prefrontal cortices and go directly to their limbic systems...

They have no chance at all and such reactions are much too late and insufficient and half-hearted. It’s cemented in all areas of society already, by far not only limited to educational sector or universities’ campus life.

Young conservatives target 'wokeism' on U.S. campuses

'bout time, hey.

"They called me names, called me bigoted, like backwards and whatnot,"

This young conservative needs to watch Tucker Carlson's new series about "men who are tough, men who are resourceful, men who are strong enough to survive."

Good universities, like UVA, are built on a liberal (meaning open-minded), rational, and humanist world view. Most conservatives today are neither open-minded, rational, or concerned about social justice and the betterment of society. Conservatism today is about grievance, denial of fact, and self-interest.

Left wing censorship and right wing censorship are equally abhorrent, on campuses, in commerce and online. That includes backhanded and indirect censorship, such as 'cancelling',

People should have a right to hold and express opinions, even if they offend some people.

The opinion that the Earth orbited the sun, that women should have the right to vote, that slavery was wrong and that we had evolved 'from apes', were all grossly offensive to many when they were first mooted.

We only progress, develop and improve as a species if we allow people to offend us, with their speech, with scientific theories and with the arts. Those rights are for everyone, not just for those you agree with.

The article would have helped readers if it had included some background information over efforts by some student groups at publically-funded institutions to have speakers (and other student groups, themselves) banned and barred from speaking or organizing on campus, due to the fact that their political views are inconsistent with their views and values.

Back in high school, Jack used to be picked on for his politics. Now, as a college student, he is banding together with like-minded conservatives to fight back against what they see as the tyranny of "wokeism."

Luckily some other college students are still fighting against exploitation and discrimination.

These conservative groups, like the campus Christian groups, target lonely students away from home and wanting a sense of belonging. They are also well funded by evangelical mega-churches and Koch brother/Mercer interests.

Once inside the auditorium where Pence was to speak, the students were offered miniature copies of the U.S. Constitution, Ronald Reagan badges and stickers proclaiming: "I support free speech not political correctness."

Sad. Their is so much more injustice in the world today.