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A Japanese government panel has proposed changing the country's age definition of elderly people from 65 or over, to 70 or over, in line with an increase in healthy life expectancy. What do you think about this?

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Great! Gives me 5 extra years in which to be youthfully irresponsible.

-12 ( +9 / -21 )

Just another way to evade pension payment, while still collecting pension.

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14753403

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Japan-to-curb-pension-benefit-increases-for-2nd-straight-year

-3 ( +16 / -19 )

As sakurasuki says, this sounds like a sticking plaster for the pension scheme.

The people who live longest in Japan are women, many of whom only pay in to the pension scheme until they get married. Once married, they have thirty years as a dependent spouse on their husband's shakai hoken. Since female life expectancy is 88, this means 23 years of a receiving a pension they paid very litte for. It also means full time working women who do pay in see their contributions support part time or non working women who do not pay in. Making people who receive a pension pay for it is vastly preferable to making people who actually do pay in wait for longer and ultimately get less.

(my wife is a dependent spouse who doesn't pay in)

10 ( +13 / -3 )

We are already in our second childhood.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

Might be hard to make the qualifications for, but I think it would be better to come up with parameters on one's health to define what it means to be elderly. In Japan especially, there are 70 and above year old people who can outmove and outwork younger people. But realistically speaking, I say it stays at 65. Let the older people enjoy their life a little longer.

10 ( +10 / -0 )

in line with an increase in healthy life expectancy

That's only a very formal and useless lying into own pockets. Neither the age interval groups really change, nor do we have here a significant increase in healthy life expectancy, especially when considering the corona aftermath and higher and hot temperatures now also in spring and autumn. With this little statistical trick nothing will change to better.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

I can sort of understand it. 50 years ago 65 year olds were pretty worn out and most people lived until about 70 or 75. These days most 65 years olds are healthier and live much longer, which of course makes it difficult for the government to pay for pensions.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

Just another attempt of lying by the Japanese government to influence statistics and later raise retirement age to 70.

I have paid ridiculous high contributions while in Japan as a company owner. With never any outlook on getting a reasonable pension.

-3 ( +9 / -12 )

I would support raising it to 75. People are living longer and are healthier.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

If someone is sick or disabled, I have no problem if they start receiving the pension at the earliest opportunity. Ghosh I work near Hibiya Station and see men with knee braces and one or two canes hobbling to work. I respect that but hopefully they can retire early. So many lazy adults lay around doing nothing all day.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

I'm not super keen on adding another five years to my "retirement countdown" clock.

Its sort of like telling a little kid a week before Christmas that its been postponed for 6 months and he'll need to wait until June to open his presents.

While Santa's present distribution system, having been premised on a 1950s demographic and economic model that no longer exists, might be unsustainable, its still pretty brutal to pull the rug out from under him like that and ruin his excitement......

7 ( +7 / -0 )

My father-in-law ran his business until he was 80 and that was mostly manual work - of course 65 isn't elderly for a lot of people.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Healthy life expentancy is a lie.

They're measuring the people age 90 today, the people that grew up sipping miso every morning, fish every lunch, and veggies for dinner. Today's people eat bread for breakfast, mcdonald for lunch, and combini's bento for dinner. They will not be living healthily until 80.

It's a lie to push back and shorten the time of nenkin payment.

8 ( +9 / -1 )

If a government is not making your life and the lives of others better, and the citizens are too dumb to vote in new blood and ideas, then they deserve what they get. Go get some nukes and stop wasting money on war machines.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

But you lose your job at 65 and your pay gets cut by more than 50% after 60.

How does that work? Only people from established families with large assets can survive this.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Make it 60 or 55! Let people retire and get their pensions earlier so they can start "living" and do the things they've always wanted to do while they still have their health.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

And for what reason did they "proposed changing the country's age definition of elderly people from 65 or over, to 70 or over"? Nn increase in healthy life expectancy is not a reason, because it is just a word, definition.

I assume it has to do something with taxes, pension fund and LDP.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

The LDP's secret plan is to change it to 100.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Basically they would like you to work until you die, forget retirement. The pension in Japan is the lowest in the world from all developed countries, even if the Pension Fund is one of the biggest. Paradoxal right? Well, not really. Just ask LDP about what did they do with it a couple of years ago.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

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