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The notion of what “fully vaccinated” means appears to be mutating as often as the virus. What's your view on this?

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The need to define what "fully vaccinated" means is only important when making a distinction between those of whom are and aren't vaccinated. The real measure should relate to immunity or risk of severe disease if infected. Neither of those are easily proven by QR code on a social tracking app, so obviously they won't get the same attention as vaccination status. The vaccine we all know by now does very little to offer real protection from the virus.

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I agree with jeffb that we should look at immunity rather than vaccination status.

To me this would correspond to someone who has received their 2nd (or 3rd, 4th...) Pfizer dose within the last 3 months, Moderna dose within the last 8 months, or a confirmed natural infection at any time.

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If ‘fully’ is taken by the word, meaning 100%, then no one is or can be fully vaccinated. In most cases the numbers of received jabs or the current tested / counted value of developed antibodies are taken to differ between fully vaccinated people and the rest. Personally I would say, 2 weeks after the (next) vaccination(s) someone can be regarded sufficiently vaccinated and from 10 weeks later on, when the values have again dramatically decreased, someone is not anymore sufficiently or ‘fully’ vaccinated, only vaccinated, and after five months one could say they are quasi-unvaccinated, means having received a jab several months ago but now again at a non-sufficient or even non-relevant level. But that might all be quite differing, also individually and by virus mutants, so it can only be an average estimated rule of thumb.

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or a confirmed natural infection at any time.

That do not indicate immunity according to the evidence accumulating of reinfections, specially with variants. The natural infection do not necessarily confers long lasting immunity, only the full risks.

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The virus is so mild (IFR = 0.15) the hysteria has been largely unjustified so who cares at this point.

Natural immunity appears to last longer than the vaccine-induced type anyway and its absence from discussions is significant. The supposed 'risks' are few (poor health, old age and obesity), which when coupled with basic prophylactic measures such as zinc and quercetin are easily mitigated. Anyone saying otherwise at this point is wilfully ignorant...

Reinfection by SARS-CoV-2 under endemic conditions would likely occur between 3 months and 5·1 years after peak antibody response, with a median of 16 months.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666524721002196

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For me a fully vaccinated person is someone who got their real vaccine shots when they were kids, I couldn't care less about their status regarding the experimental corona jab.

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The notion of what “fully vaccinated” means appears to be mutating as often as the virus. 

This seems like a misleading question, the notion of what constitutes “fully vaccinated” has only changed once (from 2 shots to 3), and that has only happened in the last month due to Omicron.

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Since we don't know if 2 or 3 shots will be enough to prevent infections of current and/or future variants (and we know for sure vaccinated people still get infected), I'd say the term "fully vaccinated" does not exist at the moment.

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Does "fully vaccinated" not mean you have received all the vaccinations you are eligible for? That might vary by country, age, when you received your last vaccination, if you've tested positive recently, etc. I've had three and my son two. I think we are both fully vaccinated.

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Most vaccinations involve multiple injections or annual jabs. Some have always been required for travel. You get however many you need to work and travel. It's not a big deal.

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It's interesting what happens to a virus when doctors have to deal with the red tape of a dysfunctional top-down agency restricting access to previously easily obtained medicines, captured regulators in cahoots with the companies they are meant to be regulating, and a for profit insurance industry.

Whatever the current, up to the minute definition of vaccines may or may not be, I bet you my left nut the answer is going to be more vaccines.

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The virus is so mild (IFR = 0.15) the hysteria has been largely unjustified so who cares at this point.

Do you know what is the IFR of other important diseases like polio? according to you all of them are not important enough, which obviously disqualify the whole thing.

Natural immunity appears to last longer than the vaccine-induced type anyway and its absence from discussions is significant.

That is a misleading comparison, because it resides in natural immunity against the same variant compared with the vaccine derived immunity against new variants. Data from Delta and Omicron prove that natural immunity is at least as succeptible (if not more) to reduction of efficacy by these variants, specially for people that got a mild or asymptomatic infection.

Or, as your own source says:

Mitigation of the potential evolution of immune-evading SARS-CoV-2 variants in the near-future might depend crucially on a rapid global deployment of vaccination, which can induce higher immunogenicity than natural infection.

Misrepresenting the conclusions from the report to the opposite of what the authors explicitly say is one of the frequent forms of disinformation.

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Fully

Adverb

Complete or entirely; to the furthest extent.

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Fully vaccinated means when you have taken all the jabs that you are told to take for experimental so called vaccines that are proven to be effective in not the way people are told .

First it was only one jab, then it became 2 jabs, then it was deemed that those jabs were not effective, so it was on to the booster jab. Now they are saying you will need to be jabbed every few months. Then you are told that you need to wear your masks even after all those jabs. When do the sheep wake up ?

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A confirmed natural infection @Raw Beer? Of what strain would you consider yourself to be 'fully vaccinated'?

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For me, a fully vaccinated person is someone who has received at least three shots of a vaccine, possibly four in the coming weeks.

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Well, I guess "fully vaccinated" for our friends on the far-right means a dose HCQ, followed by an injection of disinfectant, with one jab of horse dewormer....or is it two?

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2 shots and that's it.

No more!

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Well, I guess "fully vaccinated" for our friends on the far-right means a dose HCQ, 

No, it just means vaccinated for those that want or feel the need to get it. The definition is quite simple, roll-up.

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Well, I guess "fully vaccinated" for our friends on the far-right means a dose HCQ, 

No, it just means vaccinated for those that want or feel the need to get it. The definition is quite simple, roll-up.

You'd think with Trump, Hannity, and Abbott telling you to get vaccinated, the far-right would be flocking to it....

But nope, they think it's poison that changes your DNA....

So Trump is trying to poison his flock....I guess that's why they boo him at his rallies....

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