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What do you think about the anti-vaccination movement that blames the medical practice of vaccinations for a wide range of health problems?

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The anti-vaccers can't be serious.

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A malicious death cult.

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The "anti vaccination" movement is simply this; people who are thinking clearly, are making conscious decisions about whether or not they believe the vaccines are as safe and effective as the government says repeatedly and they are making their voices heard more steadily because we have the world wide web.

Parents who have children who suffer from serious side effects are spreading their stories and others are worried. The fact that the government ignores these families unsettles many. The fact that only 1-10% of adverse events are reported is unsettling.

And its not only parents who are choosing to forego vaccination. Adults without kids are choosing to pass on the flu shot and other recommended shots. Most adults are NOT up to date on vaccines. Read the whole story on Andrew Wakefields studies on intestinal issues-autism and the MMR vaccine. READ THE WHOLE STORY.

Read about Whistleblower William Thompson at the CDC who admitted to a cover up of black children being susceptible to autism after the MMR shot. We cannot trust our childrens health in the hands of proven criminals. And we cannot trust them with ours. Look at Paol Thorsen who was a CDC researcher-writer whose job it was to get together a Danish study on autism to disprove the MMR links. The study was completed. The guy was then indicted in the U.S on fraud and theft charges and has been on the run for a long time.

Read about the Smallpox anti-vaccination league. Read about the highly plausible theory that HIV is a mutated monkey virus(SIV) that was transfered through Polio experimental vaccine trials in the Congo by Hilary Koprowski.

There are WHOLE GENOMES of aborted fetus in the MMRV vaccine, read the study by Corvelva. Boys are being injected with the fetal cells of girls and girls are being injected with the fetal cells of boys. There is a serious cover up going on right now and the vaccine industry needs people to stay shut so they have the media scare-monger the public into force vaccination through false epidemics such as this measles one in the U.S. No one has died from the measles in the U.S this year, but millions will be paid out in the much unknown Vaccine courts for vaccine injury.

Vaccination is more risky than your child in the United States catching any one of these "vaccine preventable diseases" and having complications. Please Japan, read everything, listen to everyone, but believe only what you can prove. -Parent of unvaccinated 6 year old

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Many years ago I was in East Africa and there was an outbreak of Yellow Fever, I was offered vaccination and I took it. Many died ---I was glad of the vaccination and am still grateful.

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total nuttas

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@Michael G

Thanks for this great food for thought.

Vaccines should only be taken after serious research and thought. As you pointed out, we can't just blindly believe government claims of 'safe!'. Governments and drug companies have been known to lie and falsify data.

The "anti vaccination" movement is simply this; people who are thinking clearly, are making conscious decisions about whether or not they believe the vaccines are as safe and effective as the government says repeatedly and they are making their voices heard more steadily because we have the world wide web.

Parents who have children who suffer from serious side effects are spreading their stories and others are worried. The fact that the government ignores these families unsettles many. The fact that only 1-10% of adverse events are reported is unsettling.

And its not only parents who are choosing to forego vaccination. Adults without kids are choosing to pass on the flu shot and other recommended shots. Most adults are NOT up to date on vaccines. Read the whole story on Andrew Wakefields studies on intestinal issues-autism and the MMR vaccine. READ THE WHOLE STORY.

Read about Whistleblower William Thompson at the CDC who admitted to a cover up of black children being susceptible to autism after the MMR shot. We cannot trust our childrens health in the hands of proven criminals. And we cannot trust them with ours. Look at Paol Thorsen who was a CDC researcher-writer whose job it was to get together a Danish study on autism to disprove the MMR links. The study was completed. The guy was then indicted in the U.S on fraud and theft charges and has been on the run for a long time.

Read about the Smallpox anti-vaccination league. Read about the highly plausible theory that HIV is a mutated monkey virus(SIV) that was transfered through Polio experimental vaccine trials in the Congo by Hilary Koprowski.

There are WHOLE GENOMES of aborted fetus in the MMRV vaccine, read the study by Corvelva. Boys are being injected with the fetal cells of girls and girls are being injected with the fetal cells of boys. There is a serious cover up going on right now and the vaccine industry needs people to stay shut so they have the media scare-monger the public into force vaccination through false epidemics such as this measles one in the U.S. No one has died from the measles in the U.S this year, but millions will be paid out in the much unknown Vaccine courts for vaccine injury.

Vaccination is more risky than your child in the United States catching any one of these "vaccine preventable diseases" and having complications. Please Japan, read everything, listen to everyone, but believe only what you can prove. -Parent of unvaccinated 6 year old

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Anyone who wants to learn about the corruption behind vaccine science needs to watch this video with Robert Kennedy Jrn. Robert Kennedy has no agenda - he simply wants safer vaccines for our children. Nothing he has said has been proven to be wrong - he has challenged Big Pharma to sue him.

Kennedy totally nails it….

https://bolenreport.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-nails-the-vaccine-argument/?fbclid=IwAR1zsDU6G-SoPeHxgALQsIjK9Rv7NUSXs7t-vkpNHnU2ZWEllETnNXMmK84

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Vaccines are a health service being offered to us which we ought to be free to decline for whatever reason without judgment.

The public shaming of those who decline via coercive tactics and negative labels such as 'anti vaxxers' etc is wrong.

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I do have concerns that there has been no placebo studies done on the effects of adjuvants in vaccines such as aluminium hydroxide,(which is a neurotoxin) formaldehyde known human carcinogen associated with nasal sinus cancer and nasopharyngeal cancer.Recent studies have also shown a positive correlation between exposure to formaldehyde and the development of leukemia, particularly myeloid leukemia. albumin, gelatin, lactose, neomycin, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg calf (bovine) serum. human diploid cells. There have been no retrospective studies done between vaccinated and non vaccinated children even though this would not be a difficult study to do as there is now a large unvaccinated population.There is a huge data base which the US government holds called the VSD with thousands of unvaccinated. It would not be hard to run data comparing vaccinated/unvaccinated. The government refuses to do this why? With the growing number of children suffering from allergies and autoimmune disease parents have a right to question. In the USA latest figures show 54% of children have a chronic disease. In particular parents have the right to question aluminium in vaccines as there is science out there which says it is not safe as no studies have been done on injected aluminium.

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Unfathomable. I do not understand what make regular Joe's think they know more science than scientist. It is anti-science, arrogance and an unwillingness to accept that some people know better than you.

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If you don’t vaccinate your children you should have them taken away from you. Not vaccinating your kids marks out out as a failure as a parent and a danger to those around you.

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I don't think recent vaccination is safer than the old one, so I does not cause serious health problems like ones that occeredany years ago. Originally, vaccination is required inject weakened virus or other causes of illness, thus I think preventing every side effect is immpossible.

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Anti-vax is the product of ignorance spread by social media and too many people with too little capacity for critical thinking combined with a lack of science based education.

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 people who are thinking clearly, are making conscious decisions about whether or not they believe 

It's not conscious and clear thinking when you debate what you "believe" rather than what is "known" by science. My grand-parents's old neighbors, they believed in our local version of voodoo. (If you listened to them), they had lost no less than four young siblings because they slept one night on pillows stuffed with feathers that were controlled by witches... so the black magic witches caused the global flu pandemic on 1918 ?

Even if science needs to update its knowledge over the time, science uses methods to check and recheck phenomenons, it considers all doubts, the cases of vaccine side effects are all widely investigated again and again, mistakes are corrected on a daily basis. Belief... well, it's updated by popularity on facebook.

blames ....for a wide range of health problems?

It's never pleasant to be sick, so to relieve the stress and depression feeling, some people try to find a cause, if possible an external one, persons you can sue... The anti-vax movement exploits that despair. A friend's daughter has autism and she'll never live independently. Nobody can tell why. But over 3 decades, the mother has been targetted by countless crusaders "We know why your child is sick, it's due to gluten... it's because of the waves of cell phones... because of alu in vaccines... because of bad religion so join our cult...". It's really amazing how patients and their parents are preyed.

I note that for over 90% of sicknesses we suffer these days, we not only know the main cause or trigger, but we know how to remediate. That should come in priority over the 10% we can't do anything about. The biggest health enemy, it is broad lifestyle choices (drugs, chain smoking, heavy drinking, stuffing one's face on junk, being a couch potato, bad sleep patterns...), and the solution is obvious. So there should be a million time more rage against bad lifestyle .

 In the USA latest figures show 54% of children have a chronic disease

40% look like fattened piglets. But you will tell me it's the alu in the vaccine and not the chips and soda that makes them grow lard.

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Anti-vax is the product of ignorance spread by social media and too many people with too little capacity for critical thinking combined with a lack of science based education.

It's that, but it's more than that. There is a lot of disaffection in the world. Ignoring all the conspiracies for a moment, and looking at the world objectively, the overwhelming majority of the results of human work are going to an extremely small group of people at the top. The people at the bottom are working harder and longer, getting squeezed, and often having to forsake health care for things like food, and shelter. When you are working two jobs and can't afford to go to the dentist or even the doctor, it's easy to get angry, and start to think the world is against you. Then people put forth a theory about how the man is out to get you, and you feel like you're being persecuted, it's an easy buy-in.

On this site alone, the majority of posters (on both teams) lack the ability to fact-check themselves, to prevent confirmation bias. And when you're angry, disaffected, and struggling, and you start searching about whether vaccines are harmful, and find countless sites telling you they are...

Don't get me wrong. I have been and am disdainful of anti-vaxxers. But objectively speaking, it's not only their fault for not fact checking themselves, some blame has to be placed society for created an environment of disaffection that makes the anti-vaxxers susceptible to propaganda.

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JonorthToday  05:31 pm JST

Unfathomable. I do not understand what make regular Joe's think they know more science than scientist. It is anti-science, arrogance and an unwillingness to accept that some people know better than you.

There are plenty of scientists who know how dangerous vaccines can be and some of them have been murdered for speaking up. If you have read other news articles, various scientists have been paid off by drug companies for making false reports in favor of vaccines.

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There are plenty of scientists who know how dangerous vaccines can be and some of them have been murdered for speaking up. If you have read other news articles, various scientists have been paid off by drug companies for making false reports in favor of vaccines. 

None of this is true.

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But objectively speaking, it's not only their fault for not fact checking themselves,.."

Sorry buddy but fact checking is what I do. I'm a parent and it is my duty to know the facts. And I know bulls**t when I see it. When "professional" organization after organization repeats the safe motif over and over again, while ignoring a host of unanswered questions and not speaking on the whole issue, it becomes apparent that lies are being covered up and an attempt to brainwash is easy to see.

When the medical profession is lobbied by a trillion dollar industry such as the Pharmaceutical one, which is not making society healthier but making it more and more drug dependent thriving on sick, it the duty of every parent and responsible citizen to seek the truth and to expose the threat to their children and to their neighbors who are ignorant. Liars and those with an agenda are in control of the medical establishment. Fact check everything I have written in the past two posts and you will see who the real threat is.

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For those of you whose perceptions stray not at all from what you are told by AUTHORITY, let me point out to you that there is no SCIENCE ANYWHERE in this debate on the MMR (not immunization, per se) mostly because there is NO SCIENCE that's been done that addresses the issues here. "No evidence" is not a defense here but an obvious obfuscation. The debate is between highly intelligent observers and Big Pharma and Big Med marketing departments who are the originators of the term "anti-Vaxxer" to obscure their own lack of knowledge of the effects of their own poisons and, more importantly, what they really know that causes their rabid insistence on "NO LIABILITY" contracts. WE do know for a fact that neither the drug dealers nor their physician pushers nor SCIENCE for that matter, know essentially ANYTHING about the immune system. We cannot touch a single autoimmune disease except to bang on and damage the entire system usually futilely, cannot tell you anything about it other than what it will do to you, and have no idea the cause of any of the horrific things our immune systems can do to us if they become deranged. And the MMR is an immunological thermobaric missile shattering an infantile immune system and, even if there are no immediate sequelae, what future problems for the eventually senescent system producing new potential immune epitopes in old age? Or lifelong subclinical internal 'allergies' causing untreatable, nonspecific, nondiagnosable chronic lifelong issues. Essentially, the producers and pushers lie about the MMR. They DON'T KNOW. NO ONE KNOWS! Yet. And for 'trust', an American is in no greater acute short and long term danger than when sitting in a Corporate American medical facility according to Johns Hopkins researchers and the British Medical Journal ("The BMJ", #1 world medical journal) who list the American industrial level healthcare/profitcare system and its incompetence, neglect, understaffing, poisonous elixirs, filthy hospital acquired fatal infections, and on and on as the third leading cause of death in America. Anyone who mentions 'science' in this context is just demonstrating ignorance and authoritarianism on the wing..."FLY! MY PRETTIES..." spread the Corporate lies over all who refuse to learn. They tell us, "TRUST THE PROFIT TAKER FOR IT IS IN THEIR INTEREST TO OWN YOUR MIND AND IT IS SO MUCH EASIER NOT HAVING TO THINK, ISN'T IT, MY LITTLE SIMPLE CONSUMER. TRUST AUTHORITY! IT IS YOUR FRIEND. AND HATE THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH AUTHORITY FOR THEY SEEK TO LOWER PROFITS! DRIVE THEM FROM YOUR MIND AND TRUST THE VOICE OF THE PROFIT AND FEAR THE INFIDEL WHO SHOUTS FACTS! THE PROFIT HAS SPOKEN! OBEY!". And, as we see of so many here, we do. But not all. This has always been Mankind's one hope, the small intelligent minority among us. It's YOUR child, do you completely trust a pharmaceutical producer or YOUR physician to tell you the truth? And they have the perfect tool, the "Greater Harm" rationalization meaning it's okay to sacrifice a few...any volunteers?

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No one has died from the measles in the U.S this year, but millions will be paid out in the much unknown Vaccine courts for vaccine injury.

What point were you trying to make here? I'd assume no one has died from measles due to the vaccination program. Can you tell us how much has been paid out in the "vaccine courts" for the measles vaccination? I don't have recent data, but the data I have seen for the USA suggests 1.2 compensation payments per 1 million vaccinations.

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Sorry buddy but fact checking is what I do. 

Finding info to feed your confirmation bias is not fact checking. And the fact that you are an anti-Vaxxer shows you haven’t fact checked the stuff you are biased on.

You can try to spin it any way you want, but no matter what way you try to spin it, we’re left with the above facts.

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@Judy Harvey

Kennedy totally nails it….

Kennedy is a lawyer, not a medical expert.

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Read the whole story on Andrew Wakefields studies on intestinal issues-autism and the MMR vaccine. READ THE WHOLE STORY.

Wakefield is a fraud. You need to set the bar higher if you have a point to make.

Read about Whistleblower William Thompson at the CDC who admitted to a cover up of black children being susceptible to autism after the MMR shot. 

Nope. Statement released by Thompson:

"I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed."

Sorry buddy but fact checking is what I do. I'm a parent and it is my duty to know the facts.

You've spent this thread flaunting your gullibility and credulous devotion to conspiracy theories.

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Some parents are more wacked out than others. No vaccine is 100% guaranteed to be safe, but the odds that something bad will occur with your child by accepting vaccination are very low. I believe it's in everyone's best interest.

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Here in Washington, we are experiencing a measles outbreak. Measles, a disease that was pretty much eradicated in the US, has made a comeback. You know who is spreading the disease? Unvaccinated people. Parents that would rather

I recently saw a video from a doctor who does little comedy skits about this. He points out that when the CDC says there is contaminated lettuce, people are ready to burn down lettuce farms. When the CDC tells you to get vaccinated to prevent disease, people are yelling 'illuminati conspiracy!'.

All the so called data about vaccines causing autism and other risks are from quacks and people who have been discredited. People listen to Jenny McCarthy, a former Playboy Playmate, about dangers of vaccination! Do you take your car to a plumber when you need a repair? No, you take it to a mechanic! Stop listening to the nonsense from people who don't know what the hell they are talking about and listen to the professionals. Not everything is a conspiracy.

When you don't vaccinate your kids, you are putting them, as well as others who legitimately cannot be vaccinated, at risk.

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Andrew Wakefield made up his research. He lied. He was struck off the the doctors register in the UK due to this.

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formaldehyde known human carcinogen associated with nasal sinus cancer and nasopharyngeal cancer.Recent studies have also shown a positive correlation between exposure to formaldehyde and the development of leukemia, particularly myeloid leukemia. albumin, gelatin, lactose, neomycin, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg calf (bovine) serum. human diploid cells.

Formaldehyde is already present in every living thing. We produce and subsequently metabolize about 1.5 ounces of it every day in our own bodies. The average vaccine contains .02mg. To put that in perspective, there is over 50 times more formaldehyde present in an average newborn baby's body than in a single dose of vaccine. It's not going to hurt you.

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@Strangerland

it's not only their fault for not fact checking themselves

To the contrary, I think many people are wary of vaccines because they fact check and avoid simply accepting statements of 'safe' from governments and pharmaceutical companies who have been known to lie, falsify data, shirk responsibility for debilitating side effects and refuse to compensate victims.

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@Judy Harvey

Anyone who wants to learn about the corruption behind vaccine science needs to watch this video with Robert Kennedy Jrn. Robert Kennedy has no agenda - he simply wants safer vaccines for our children. Nothing he has said has been proven to be wrong - he has challenged Big Pharma to sue him.

Kennedy totally nails it….

https://bolenreport.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-nails-the-vaccine-argument/?fbclid=IwAR1zsDU6G-SoPeHxgALQsIjK9Rv7NUSXs7t-vkpNHnU2ZWEllETnNXMmK84

Read it and am angry! Thanks for sharing.

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As someone mentioned above, Kennedy is a lawyer, not a physician. I'll take my care to a mechanic and entrust my health to a doctor, thanks.

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*take my car... dammit where's an edit button when you need it.

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To the contrary, I think many people are wary of vaccines because they fact check and avoid simply accepting statements of 'safe' from governments and pharmaceutical companies who have been known to lie, falsify data, shirk responsibility for debilitating side effects and refuse to compensate victims.

All the evidence points to the opposite case, people wary of vaccines use discredited, false information that can be easily checked without any effort, the only way these people (including you) would keep using this information would be because of lack of fact checking; or, of course, a voluntary desire to use falsehoods to defend something that is known to be a lie.

Its easy to see in the comments of this site, every comment about how vaccines are unsafe or dangerous gets easily proven false, that would not happen if the people writing them first fact checked what they believe.

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