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What do you think is Russian President Vladimir Putin's endgame following the Russian attack on Ukraine?

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His goal is exactly as he himself has stated... End NATO expansion east. Protect the Russian people in the Ukraine ( about 18% of the population). And put the west on notice that Russia's security concerns have to be listened to.

Whether he will achieve these goals in the long term is very debatable. Tanks, missiles and dead bodies don't usually endear you to the local population.

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Aside from world domination? He wants to go back to the glory days of the USSR and plunge the world back into darkness and chaos. Clearly, he's got a screw loose.

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One long term outcome of this which may outlive Putin, and likely isn’t the end game he intended, is that China will simply eat Russia. Russia is being completely cut off from the Western economy and likely those bridges are going to remain burned for some time.

Russia is turning to China now out of necessity to make up for that, but in doing so is really putting itself in a captive, subservient economic relationship with Beijing. Now that it is ostracized, Russia needs China, but China doesn’t really need Russia and thus will be able to extort a huge price for maintaining its economic relationship. Simply put, Russia is exchanging an economic relationship with Europe that was beneficial to it with one with China that is going to absolutely suck for it.

And it is going to be very difficult for it to ever escape that trap Putin has walked the country into. This whole invasion has clearly convinced Europe to break its dependence on Russian gas and other resources, so even if down the road Putin is deposed and a more pragmatic Russian leader takes over, they’ll be taking over a much weaker Russia than the one that existed up until just a few days ago, dealing with a West that doesn’t need them anymore and a China that completely owns them.

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Putin's endgame is to become a new Tsar and getting back any territory that once was Russia. He's a megalomanical liar and will stop at nothing until his own people remove him from power or he got assassinated by some other power.

I blame the West for not realising that after his speech in Munich 2007, his grab at Crimea in 2014 and becoming even more dependant of gas/oil imports even after.

But ultimately it's Putin who needs to be removed. Attacking the Ukraine for accusing their jewish, democratically elected president for being a "neo-nazi", lying about not targetting civilians (which clearly happened) and making fresh recruits join an "excercise" which actually was a full-scale attack on the Ukraine, shows who or what Putin ultimately is.

An insane, megalomanical narcissic murderer who is willing to throw his youths, his country and his country's reputation under the bus for his own delusions of grandeur.

My Russian friends are ashamed and ask for the Mossad to put an end to his tyranny.

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The endgame will not be what he wants.

Moves are afoot for a new non-aligned International Brigade, crowd-funded and well-armed. This is the chance of a lifetime for US militia groups to go up against Russian soldiers and defend/liberate Ukraine. Once the model is operational, it can be used elsewhere - Myanmar, Taiwan if needed, North Korea, Tibet or Hong Kong.

China will not be thanking Russia for this.

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Looks like Putin wants to get his Nukes online, the guy is just beyond lost, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up like nicolai chauchescu, I can see that happening.

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I think he envisaged his army facing little resistance and Zelinskiy either fleeing or being captured, then just setting up a compliant puppet regime. Or some variation of that.

What worries me is that this is clearly not going to plan for him and I don’t know how Putin is going to react to that failure. Its already looking like the Russian army could lose more soldiers killed in its first week in Ukraine alone as the US did in the entire decade long Iraq war. There is no way they are going to conquer the country and create a puppet government with the forces they have now in the face of the level of resistance they are facing.

What does he do next? Its scary to think about what a guy who has just done something as idiotic and maniacal as starting the largest war in Europe since 1945 will do next as he is being cornered. There is no roadmap to success here open to him, and lots of ones open to truly unimaginable things. Its a very dangerous time not just for Ukraine but for the entire world thanks to this unhinged madman. Any idiot who still has kind words to say about this lunatic should bear in mind that your ass is on the line here too.

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The Russians have just been defeated in Kharkiv with heavy losses.

Who knows, maybe the endgame will be the Ukrainian army liberating Moscow.

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Putin’s end result will be he’ll be remembered in the same way as Stalin & Hitler are

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The lunatic does not have an end game. He has just put Russia’s nuclear forces on special alert, fcs. He’s totally mad, he’s lost the plot, heading toward Apocalypse.

We need sane people within Russia to rise up, topple the crazy man and take control of their country.

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@rainyday

your points are spot on.

European nations will extract themselves off the Russian oil & gas tit, & become more independent (France & UK already are)

China will be Putin’s daddy for the foreseeable future.

Civilians win, Ukraine wins and Putin wins.

Putin loses - respect & trust

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dont underestimate russians.this may have tragic consequences for all.

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@Eastman: No - I don't underestimate the Russians or the possible if remote consequences at all. But i must remind you that you assured this very forum that Ukraine were to blame and that Russia would not attempt anything.

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politik kills:

His end game is a reciprocal deal with China to invade Japan.

You're living in a fantasy world. China doesn't need or want Japan. Certainnly not in the way Japan invaded China and massacred so many of its people. China just wants to improve itself and its own people.

As for the conflict in Ukraine, who's to blame:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFkIbAP-SJc

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Pukey2  01:24 am JST

politik kills:

 His end game is a reciprocal deal with China to invade Japan.

You're living in a fantasy world. China doesn't need or want Japan. Certainnly not in the way Japan invaded China and massacred so many of its people. China just wants to improve itself and its own people.

As for the conflict in Ukraine, who's to blame:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFkIbAP-SJc

Enlightening video, Norton is right on the ball. If you're interested I'd watch this interview with Michael Hudson, the American economist, who deconstructs the American financial control of the global economy, and how China and Russia are attempting to de-dollarize their economies. It's fascinating and explains a lot of what's happening in the world right now. There's some revealing stuff about how the US actively worked to weaken the Japanese and British economies, even though they're supposed allies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiz934HVZjY

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Digest Ukraine. Exploit its resources in the same highly inefficient ways Russia’s rich resources are now. Form a new federation consisting of Russia, Belorus, and Ukraine and full of impoverished people. Build a huge mausoleum for himself then die.

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Putin just got his nuclear missiles loaded. What a loser.

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What worries me is that this is clearly not going to plan for him and I don’t know how Putin is going to react to that failure. Its already looking like the Russian army could lose more soldiers killed in its first week in Ukraine alone as the US did in the entire decade long Iraq war. There is no way they are going to conquer the country and create a puppet government with the forces they have now in the face of the level of resistance they are facing.

What does he do next? Its scary to think about what a guy who has just done something as idiotic and maniacal as starting the largest war in Europe since 1945 will do next as he is being cornered. There is no roadmap to success here open to him, and lots of ones open to truly unimaginable things.

If only he could learn from history... And see what happens to dictators, mass murderers and war criminals...

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The solution seems simple to me. Ukraine promises to not join the military alliance of NATO and Putin calls off the invasion and pulls the troops out.

Civilians win, Ukraine wins and Putin wins.

Should have been from the beginning, but we are way past that now, the point of NO return.

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To ensure there is a buffer of non NATO countries around Russia. This has been stated by him for nearly a decade but the west ignored .

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Putin can never win his war costing $15 billion per day because the Ukrainians will never surrender no matter what happens.

They don’t have to surrender, doesn’t mean that will win this. Putin is on a mission to restore his warped revisionist idea of a new USSR and he won5 stop with the Ukraine, he can’t bend the will of the people, but he can contain and snuff out any resistance. Look at Belarus.

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The sun tzu art of war says that when enemies fight, stay on the sideline (e.g. abstaining UN vote), when they're weakened enough, walk in and finish them both effortlessly.

I am not sure this applies when one of the so-called enemies is your best customer, and someone whose respect you so desire.

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The solution seems simple to me. Ukraine promises to not join the military alliance of NATO and Putin calls off the invasion and pulls the troops out.

Civilians win, Ukraine wins and Putin wins.

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What do you think is Russian President Vladimir Putin’s endgame following the Russian attack on Ukraine?

His endgame is to return to the good old days of the Soviet Union.

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No military action from the west and he s finally taking his ”crown jewel” back. ... he s not gonna stop here, that’s for sure.

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The question is a bit wrong, because also Putin has no eternal life. One can ask what is Russia’s endgame or what is Putin probably reaching while still in active power. And those are different things too. In general you can say, they are working on all Northern hemisphere areas, from Portugal to Alaska and the whole Arctic. So thinking it would be limited to former Soviet Union era is quite naive too, although not such easily and quickly reachable like the Ukraine and next following neighborhoods.

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Russia has not yet come to terms with the developments of the last few decades. All European and, by extension, world countries have come to terms and come to terms with historical developments. Either in their own way with a unique narrative (often revisionism) or they simply drew the line. Russia, however, has not. Their vodka, frustration and violence-fueled rhetoric hasn't changed since the Soviet Union. They blame the West for everything, there are fascists and Nazis everywhere, anyone who can't see that is a fascist or Nazi themselves. Today they use exactly the same arguments as they did when they invaded Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968. They only change the names or the political direction, but the content is the same. 'We must protect the people who are under pressure from the US'. The Russians are still living with violence, WW2 and being on the winning side.

Whataboutism and trying to blame others is always recurring.

Many people have forgotten the events of recent years. The events of what two "tourists" did in the UK with the poisoning of a former agent, twice. Then the failed attempt in Bulgaria. The successful attempt and explosion of a warehouse in the Czech Republic.

The Russians are aware that the West does not want to be in conflict with them so they are trying more and more. It's like the bigger one in school taking the hand of the smaller one and slapping him with it and laughing "why are you slapping yourself?".

The scenario is the same - with heavy military losses of their own, get "democratically elected" and install a puppet of Moscow. We have seen this many times over the last three decades. It was most visible in Chechnya (take a look at who the father of the current dictator was), since then they are trying to cover it up more.

Of course, the argument to anyone who points this out is classically Kosovo or Yugoslavia. However, they don't mention who was behind it all. Or the pseudo-argument on virtually everything about US bases being placed near Russia and that Russia is just defending itself. That may actually be what uneducated or propaganda and vodka-addled citizens believe.

It is important to remember that Russia is not a partner. A partner does not behave like that. Russia is not a partner, Russia is not behaving like a friend. And we need to start behaving accordingly. Threats that Russia will turn off the gas or oil taps and everyone will be cold - that is simply not what a partner or a friend does.

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Rebuilding the old USSR. Perhaps expanding it slightly. I think we are headed into a world war.

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Well from his speech, he might not stop at Ukraine. He’ll never use nukes first. He's clearly been warning NATO for years. He even wanted to join NATO back in his early days. Somebody should have said something to Biden/US neocons about poking a bear.

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What do you think is Russian President Vladimir Putin's endgame following the Russian attack on Ukraine?

NATO is, as advertised, a specifically anti-Russian military organization controlled by the U.S. targeting Russian cities and political organization. Let's envision a still existent Soviet Union to which Mexico chose to apply with the understanding that Soviet offensive weapons would be stationed on the U.S.-Mexican BORDER. What do YOU think would be ANY American president's endgame following the inevitable American attack on Mexico? A thought aid might be CUBA, circa 1962, during which JFK blinked and removed American nuclear missiles from Turkey and Italy and the Russians quietly went home. But, here, America just keeps PUSHING...and Russia says "Enough!". And the voices saying Putin is a 'war criminal' do not mention that, were Putin to sit in that 'accused' box, he would be accompanied by EVERY American president since the repugnant Reagan.

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IMO, Putin is goaded by Xi.

The sun tzu art of war says that when enemies fight, stay on the sideline (e.g. abstaining UN vote), when they're weakened enough, walk in and finish them both effortlessly.

It's a tactic to keep the west focus away from China, while they build more military presence in the South China Sea. I wouldn't be surprise if after Ukraine war is finished, China is in control of the Sea.

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I would guess he means to eliminate the government, shoot the president, install a puppet government and leave his troops in the east of the country with the Russian rebels - ready to go back in if the Ukrainians "misbehave."

The sad thing is, there is nothing to stop him. The West is weak, corrupt and decadent, and the Russian people seem unable to topple Putin.

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The endgame? To increase Russian territory in Eastern Europe.and control more of the Black Sea coastline. Every government needs a “cause” to control its people, political greed is such that it can never be satisfied. The corruption and incompetence of Western democracies have given Putin a unique opportunity to invade. Europe’s energy policies have made them dependent on Russian gas, coal, and oil imports, American energy policies have resulted in a tenfold increase in Russian oil imports. Add to this the massive increase in public debt in Western democracies during the pandemic, and Russia now has unprecedented leverage over our economies. The vacuum of American political leadership and the sharp decline in American military leadership have greatly reduced the potential consequences for Russian (or Chinese) aggression. Putin is not the kind of man who doesn’t grab an opportunity when it is given to him on a golden platters.

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His end game is a reciprocal deal with China to invade Japan. China from the south, Russia from the north. Lots of old scores to settle. Remember, he even referenced being snubbed by Bill Clinton. I so want to be proved wrong.

Xi is watching the world’s reaction to the Ukraine invasion, sizing up his chance to seize Taiwan. He won’t stop there.

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