Simple safe and cheap ways everyone can improve their chances to fight this virus; e.g. vitamin D, zinc...
The IFR is now known to be 0.15%, barely harmful to the large majority of people and children are almost untouched by it but most people seem to think it's like ebola.
Very true! No child has yet died in Japan from covid.
This might be bordering on the conspiracy theorist type, but the exact origins of the virus, did it develop naturally, was it man-made, was it intentionally released. those sort of stuff. But realistically though, I think that governments are holding out on the actual number statistics, especially new cases and those who have succumbed to it. Here's a small but possibly relatable experience of mine. The first ever CV-19 case was reported in my neighborhood in November 2020 which was shared discreetly among neighbors, but the local officials at my place decided not to report it to higher authorities over fear that out place will be locked down. What I'm getting at is if this could happen in small-scale, this could happen on a national or even international level.
This question presupposes that "governments around the world" are capable of getting together to withhold information, or are that it is natural for governments to do so on their own.
A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.
The former have little evidence, the latter abundant evidence. Yet some people and also media like to speculate for fun and profit. In a pandemic, it is dangerous.
China and the U.S. are absolutely researching the coronavirus since 5 decades ago. The governments of both countries don't tell us what the laboratory in Maryland Fort Derek is researching and had to closed down.
They do not disclose why the U.S. as a client paid the Wuhan Institute of Virology over $7.1 million to research the coronavirus. They don't tell us the origins of their findings: 229E, OC43, HKU1, NL63, SARS-CoV-1, Mers-Cov, SARS-CoV-2, etc.
For the reasons stated above, I believe it is man made.
For the reasons stated above, I believe it is man made.
Your reasons make no sense, coronaviruses were predicted to produce dangerous emerging diseases even before SARS, a lot of laboratories in the world spent many millions to study them, and this resulted in a very long chain of advancements that ended up in the vaccines for COVID that are now saving so many lives.
Now think for a moment, how many pathogens do you know exactly the route of introduction to humans? Measles? HIV? Dengue? common cold? the first strains of Influenza? According to you every human disease even from the prehistory would be "man made", that is not rational.
How do explain that the virus evolved a completely unexpected way of infecting humans, something much more messy than what was predicted by the WIV? and that the first human cases were not even in the city of Wuhan but in rural areas, exactly as if it was introduced by natural reservoir animals? and how come the genome of the viruses that you metnion has no evidence whatsoever of human manipulation?
Everything comes from nature and so in that sense it is not man made. The human element is in its application. So the US should be credited with funding the Wuhan Institute Of Virology $7 million for research on the coronavirus that helped come up with the vaccine? In that sense we should thank the US and China for their contribution.
The government should disclose information on the shutdown of Fort Derek Lab and explain why research was outsourced to Wuhan.
That makes even less sense, so if a farmer uses the rain to raise its crops the rain is man made?
The government should disclose information on the shutdown of Fort Derek Lab and explain why research was outsourced to Wuhan.
The Fort Derek lab was close by very clear reasons, the necessary safety protocols were not maintained properly, there are redundancies build up in the biosafety measures so it could theoretically still work and may not had a problem in many years, but if it is not keeping the rules then the CDC has every right to close it.
Also, what do you mean "outsourced"? research projects are very different from "outsourcing" things. The project funded by the NIH is open and details can be known very easily
https://reporter.nih.gov/project-details/9819304
This is not something that could be done outside of China because the main purpose is to evaluate the risks of coronavirus diseases and see how often humans are infected by them, since the SARS scare it was obvious this risk is very high and thus many kinds of research projects were funded to assess the risk and if possible to prevent something from happening. The south of China is where these viruses are isolated commonly, and that is also why a laboratory was put in order in the region. If you want to study Ebola you would put a laboratory in Congo or Liberia. The work is based on collecting samples from animals and people in the region and see what pathogens are present, what things they have in common, etc. This would be impossible to do in the US.
As long as I dont see a real proof that convince me that I am wrong, I still say it is Man made in China.
Let me see, on one side there is the whole scientific community saying this is not a realistic possibility based on many different arguments in many different fields. On the other side someone without any knowledge and experience believing arguments that were easy to prove false. It is easy to see which side has the advantage.
What, if anything, do you believe governments around the world aren't telling the public about the coronavirus?
That ivermectin is just as good of a good drug for the treatment of COVID but we all know how much the politicians are in the pocket of big pharma. The FDA’s web site says it’s not approved by them, yet neither are any of the jabs. That COVID has a survival rate of 95+%, but we all know how much the corporate MSM will spread fear, doubt and misinformation for profit.
I believe the numbers are manipulated by the government. One example would be infections all of a sudden going up to around 3,000 the day before SoE.
I don't believe the consistency theories that say governments created the pandemic as an excuse to "control" people. That makes no sense for two reasons. One, they already control you (you've gotta pay taxes and stuff and murica even tracks how much money their citizens make abroad). Two, what government would want citizens to stay home all day? Look at the Olympics. All the that money they invested but will now lose.
The conspiracy theory about microchips instead in the vaccine to track you down... Ha! What an imagination. They are already tracking your every movement. Your "free" Facebook and Instagram accounts, Google location services, they know EVERYWHERE you go, shop, stay, everything.
For the reasons stated above, I believe it is man made.
I agree.
Man made in China.
I agree too. It's quite obvious, actually. For someone to think that the whole scientific community believe it arose naturally, they most only be following those scientists that support their narrative.
They do not disclose why the U.S. as a client paid the Wuhan Institute of Virology over $7.1 million to research the coronavirus.
Yeah, and the "expert" the US sent to "investigate" the origins (Daszak) was involved in funneling that funds...
More open discussion on origins would be much appreciated. Including what the US bioweapons experts told Trump early on in the pandemic.
More open discussion on treatments would also be appreciated. What we have instead is limited one-sided information from the controlled MSM and censored sharing of information on social media.
so if a farmer uses the rain to raise its crops the rain is man made?
If a dam breaks due to its construction and water floods the plains, water is not man made but the human element involved is responsible for the water damage. The loss of life caused by dam failure is not attributed to nature. The same with the coronavirus and its research.
a lot of laboratories in the world spent many millions to study them
You state this and then follow with this:
This would be impossible to do in the US.
So global research is being carried out coronavirus but it would be impossible to do in the US.
I agree too. It's quite obvious, actually. For someone to think that the whole scientific community believe it arose naturally, they most only be following those scientists that support their narrative.
It becomes more convincing the less the person knows about the topic, which would indicate exactly what is actually the main factor in believing it.
If no single scientific institution in the world thinks this is a realistic possibility (much less more likely than the natural origin) but a huge lot of people that know nothing about the topic (and that take pride in rejecting science) keep the conspiracy alive then it is easier to see what side is much more likely to be right.
I mean, if the information that people are claiming to know is actually available without problems the claims become much less relevant. The real problem is that people with a fixed conclusion simply don't accept the information when it proves something different from what they want to believe. What conspiracy believers want is not truthful information, they want anything that supports their views, even if obviously false.
Given that governments lie cheat and steal as a matter of course during "normal" times, expecting them to be open and honest now is a hard pill to swallow, pardon the pun.
For example, banning certain medications under the false premise that they are dangerous or ineffective, obstructing investigators who are in a certain country ostensibly to pin down the virus's origin, ordering lockdowns and mask-wearing while they themselves are living it up without such encumberment. This list goes on.
1) I think that many governments lied when they said we didn't need to wear masks.
2) It would be very hard for anyone to confirm that the virus isn't man-made, unless there were simply unfathomable technological requirements that even the Chinese couldn't have developed. Intel agencies simply said that there was no "proof" of lab engineering.
the economic consequences of the pandemic are being downplayed by many economists, especially in order to support Biden emotionally (previously much of the hype was about smearing Trump), especially in regards to the future of the US economy.
many governments did not view masks as being important and held on the regard the washing hands was the best policy
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Jack
I don't think governments are engaged in any major or deliberate withholding of information. This is a conspiracy theory.
Bob Fosse
I heard it was started by Bill Gates and that the vaccines contain a tiny microchip that will track your every move. I don’t believe it thiugh
Wick's pencil
Simple safe and cheap ways everyone can improve their chances to fight this virus; e.g. vitamin D, zinc...
Very true! No child has yet died in Japan from covid.
Toshihiro
This might be bordering on the conspiracy theorist type, but the exact origins of the virus, did it develop naturally, was it man-made, was it intentionally released. those sort of stuff. But realistically though, I think that governments are holding out on the actual number statistics, especially new cases and those who have succumbed to it. Here's a small but possibly relatable experience of mine. The first ever CV-19 case was reported in my neighborhood in November 2020 which was shared discreetly among neighbors, but the local officials at my place decided not to report it to higher authorities over fear that out place will be locked down. What I'm getting at is if this could happen in small-scale, this could happen on a national or even international level.
Jack
This question presupposes that "governments around the world" are capable of getting together to withhold information, or are that it is natural for governments to do so on their own.
A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.
The former have little evidence, the latter abundant evidence. Yet some people and also media like to speculate for fun and profit. In a pandemic, it is dangerous.
Kyakusenbi_Arimasu
I think India is faking their numbers.
quercetum
China and the U.S. are absolutely researching the coronavirus since 5 decades ago. The governments of both countries don't tell us what the laboratory in Maryland Fort Derek is researching and had to closed down.
They do not disclose why the U.S. as a client paid the Wuhan Institute of Virology over $7.1 million to research the coronavirus. They don't tell us the origins of their findings: 229E, OC43, HKU1, NL63, SARS-CoV-1, Mers-Cov, SARS-CoV-2, etc.
For the reasons stated above, I believe it is man made.
virusrex
Your reasons make no sense, coronaviruses were predicted to produce dangerous emerging diseases even before SARS, a lot of laboratories in the world spent many millions to study them, and this resulted in a very long chain of advancements that ended up in the vaccines for COVID that are now saving so many lives.
Now think for a moment, how many pathogens do you know exactly the route of introduction to humans? Measles? HIV? Dengue? common cold? the first strains of Influenza? According to you every human disease even from the prehistory would be "man made", that is not rational.
How do explain that the virus evolved a completely unexpected way of infecting humans, something much more messy than what was predicted by the WIV? and that the first human cases were not even in the city of Wuhan but in rural areas, exactly as if it was introduced by natural reservoir animals? and how come the genome of the viruses that you metnion has no evidence whatsoever of human manipulation?
quercetum
Everything comes from nature and so in that sense it is not man made. The human element is in its application. So the US should be credited with funding the Wuhan Institute Of Virology $7 million for research on the coronavirus that helped come up with the vaccine? In that sense we should thank the US and China for their contribution.
The government should disclose information on the shutdown of Fort Derek Lab and explain why research was outsourced to Wuhan.
virusrex
That makes even less sense, so if a farmer uses the rain to raise its crops the rain is man made?
The Fort Derek lab was close by very clear reasons, the necessary safety protocols were not maintained properly, there are redundancies build up in the biosafety measures so it could theoretically still work and may not had a problem in many years, but if it is not keeping the rules then the CDC has every right to close it.
Also, what do you mean "outsourced"? research projects are very different from "outsourcing" things. The project funded by the NIH is open and details can be known very easily
https://reporter.nih.gov/project-details/9819304
This is not something that could be done outside of China because the main purpose is to evaluate the risks of coronavirus diseases and see how often humans are infected by them, since the SARS scare it was obvious this risk is very high and thus many kinds of research projects were funded to assess the risk and if possible to prevent something from happening. The south of China is where these viruses are isolated commonly, and that is also why a laboratory was put in order in the region. If you want to study Ebola you would put a laboratory in Congo or Liberia. The work is based on collecting samples from animals and people in the region and see what pathogens are present, what things they have in common, etc. This would be impossible to do in the US.
Monty
For the reasons stated above, I believe it is man made.
I agree.
Man made in China.
As long as I dont see a real proof that convince me that I am wrong, I still say it is Man made in China.
And by a real proof, I dont mean some Nonsense from some self nominated experts here on JT or elsewhere in the internet.
virusrex
Let me see, on one side there is the whole scientific community saying this is not a realistic possibility based on many different arguments in many different fields. On the other side someone without any knowledge and experience believing arguments that were easy to prove false. It is easy to see which side has the advantage.
FizzBit
That ivermectin is just as good of a good drug for the treatment of COVID but we all know how much the politicians are in the pocket of big pharma. The FDA’s web site says it’s not approved by them, yet neither are any of the jabs. That COVID has a survival rate of 95+%, but we all know how much the corporate MSM will spread fear, doubt and misinformation for profit.
Jimizo
@Fizzbit
What sources do you recommend for accurate information about Covid?
Garthgoyle
I believe the numbers are manipulated by the government. One example would be infections all of a sudden going up to around 3,000 the day before SoE.
I don't believe the consistency theories that say governments created the pandemic as an excuse to "control" people. That makes no sense for two reasons. One, they already control you (you've gotta pay taxes and stuff and murica even tracks how much money their citizens make abroad). Two, what government would want citizens to stay home all day? Look at the Olympics. All the that money they invested but will now lose.
The conspiracy theory about microchips instead in the vaccine to track you down... Ha! What an imagination. They are already tracking your every movement. Your "free" Facebook and Instagram accounts, Google location services, they know EVERYWHERE you go, shop, stay, everything.
Speed
Raw Beer
I agree too. It's quite obvious, actually. For someone to think that the whole scientific community believe it arose naturally, they most only be following those scientists that support their narrative.
Yeah, and the "expert" the US sent to "investigate" the origins (Daszak) was involved in funneling that funds...
More open discussion on origins would be much appreciated. Including what the US bioweapons experts told Trump early on in the pandemic.
More open discussion on treatments would also be appreciated. What we have instead is limited one-sided information from the controlled MSM and censored sharing of information on social media.
Aly Rustom
What, if anything, do you believe governments around the world aren't telling the public about the coronavirus?
Some countries are understating the number of infected and the number dead.
Exactly! Why is it that the Zika Virus, Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and others go by their geographical name but not the Wuhan virus?
quercetum
If a dam breaks due to its construction and water floods the plains, water is not man made but the human element involved is responsible for the water damage. The loss of life caused by dam failure is not attributed to nature. The same with the coronavirus and its research.
You state this and then follow with this:
So global research is being carried out coronavirus but it would be impossible to do in the US.
virusrex
It becomes more convincing the less the person knows about the topic, which would indicate exactly what is actually the main factor in believing it.
If no single scientific institution in the world thinks this is a realistic possibility (much less more likely than the natural origin) but a huge lot of people that know nothing about the topic (and that take pride in rejecting science) keep the conspiracy alive then it is easier to see what side is much more likely to be right.
I mean, if the information that people are claiming to know is actually available without problems the claims become much less relevant. The real problem is that people with a fixed conclusion simply don't accept the information when it proves something different from what they want to believe. What conspiracy believers want is not truthful information, they want anything that supports their views, even if obviously false.
Gooch
Given that governments lie cheat and steal as a matter of course during "normal" times, expecting them to be open and honest now is a hard pill to swallow, pardon the pun.
For example, banning certain medications under the false premise that they are dangerous or ineffective, obstructing investigators who are in a certain country ostensibly to pin down the virus's origin, ordering lockdowns and mask-wearing while they themselves are living it up without such encumberment. This list goes on.
Tokyo Yokohama
1) I think that many governments lied when they said we didn't need to wear masks.
2) It would be very hard for anyone to confirm that the virus isn't man-made, unless there were simply unfathomable technological requirements that even the Chinese couldn't have developed. Intel agencies simply said that there was no "proof" of lab engineering.
Mr Kipling
I was expecting the conspiracy theorists to posts some comedy gold.... I wasn't disappointed.
Gooch
Well we would want to see you disappointed, would we? Now back to bed, rest assured that your government loves you and tells you the truth.
Jimizo
I was a bit disappointed. They need new material.
Tokyo Yokohama
the economic consequences of the pandemic are being downplayed by many economists, especially in order to support Biden emotionally (previously much of the hype was about smearing Trump), especially in regards to the future of the US economy.
many governments did not view masks as being important and held on the regard the washing hands was the best policy