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What is your view on the legal fight between Apple and the U.S. Justice Department which wants to force Apple to help the FBI hack into the iPhone of the gunman in the San Bernardino, California deadl

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Is it about privacy vs national security?

Yes.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Yes, and I support Apple.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

...another "Big Brother" is watching you...

2 ( +2 / -0 )

This is not privacy vs security, This is privacy and security vs "in the name of security."

I support Apple 100%, its time to strip Washington of power that it has abused.

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This is not privacy vs security, This is privacy and security vs "in the name of security."

Can't put it any better.

That said... word is that Apple are currently working on even stronger security that they say couldn't possibly be decrypted even if they wanted to.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

You mean the govt. does not have smart enough people to do it themselves.

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Today government wants the information from the phones of the shooters.

Next time government will want the information from the phones of the shooters and the shooters' families.

The time after that the government will want the information from the phones of the shooters, their families and their friends and co-workers.

The next time after that the government will want all the information from everybody.

No to Washington, Yes to Apple.

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@shonanbb "You mean the govt. does not have smart enough people to do it themselves."

Could you name 1 government where you have smart people? I am curious to know.

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Unless I'm missing something this is a case where the government wants access to a password locked iPhone and are asking Apple to write some software to give to the FBI so that they can open the 'phone? If so then why can't the 'phone be given to Apple and, under FBI supervision, Apple breaks into the 'phone and extracts all the data and gives it to the FBI without giving the FBI the hacking software?

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Because Apple values privacy (read: their marketing strategy) above national security.

In this case, since the 'danger' to the public has already passed and there's perhaps nothing of interest on that phone (it was a work phone, not a private one), I think Apple should do what it can do to help. It's a shame the US government has given people so much reason to distrust it in recent years. Even when some surveillance/'invasions' of privacy are justified, public opinion is still against them.

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If so then why can't the 'phone be given to Apple and, under FBI supervision, Apple breaks into the 'phone and extracts all the data and gives it to the FBI without giving the FBI the hacking software?

Apple argues that even if they could figure out a way to do it and write that code, someone somehow somewhere some way knowledge of how they figured it out would eventually escape into the wild, and if there's no fix/patch around it, then hundreds of millions of iPhones would be vulnerable to any hacker. And since there's no fix, then nobody would ever buy an iPhone again - or even if there's a fix, it may require a hardware fix (not a software fix), meaning everyone would be forced to purchase a new iPhone version with the hardware fix immediately. In short, it only takes one leak, and Apple goes down the toilet.

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The question does not represent the issue or the facts of the situation.

The FBI wants Apple to make a tool that it can use to unlock any Apple phone at any time and is not asking that Apple help unlock one phone.

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I thought the government can as a matter of course get a search warrant to search such records...

Search what records? Apple doesn't have anything that the FBI doesn't, so there is nothing to warrant a search for. The FBI already has the phone, and that's what they want to search.

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Everyone's tune will change if (Lord forbid) any such incident occurs to someone they know. I am on the FBI's side on this one.

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I believe Apple should comply with the FBI and even White House Josh Earnest agrees that Apple should comply and give the info to the Feds, either way, Apple will lose and eventually give the Feds wha they want, it's just a matter of time and shame on Apple and shame on Cook in this particular and vital situation. Apple has done this on numerous occasions before and there is Zero reason why they can't do it again, None.

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I think the next step for Apple is to change the operating systems so that even Apple itself cannot get into anyone's phone.

shame on Apple and shame on Cook in this particular and vital situation.

I disagree completely, I prefer a free society with some danger to a safe society with no freedom. And I am glad that Apple stands by what it believes in, even if that belief is different from what others agree with.

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It's a shame the US government has given people so much reason to distrust it in recent years.

Very much so, but not just in recent years. No reason to think the government will abuse their powers further. I support Apple in this case.

If so then why can't the 'phone be given to Apple and, under FBI supervision, Apple breaks into the 'phone and extracts all the data and gives it to the FBI without giving the FBI the hacking software?

Good point. But then they might "find" data implicating Microsoft and Samsung in the shooting... ; )

This is not privacy vs security, This is privacy and security vs "in the name of security."

Can't put it any better.

Ditto

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It'd be interesting if Apple is ordered by the court, instead of the US but rather another country, say, Russia to write this code in order to save its people - wonder how people's positions could change

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People who criticize Apple for this are merely suffering from disinformation of the media and government, which I think is intentional. When I first read it, I wondered why Apple was suddenly refusing a perfectly reasonable request for information in a terror case.

Except information wasn't what the FBI was after.

They want to force Apple to write software for the US government that will allow them to hack any iPhone in the world. In other words, forcing Apple to develop a security weakness in their own product so unnamed people can invade systems at will. This is insane stuff.

Worse yet, the feds know that there will be little to info on this particular phone. They just want to show who's boss. The San Bernardino murderers destroyed both of their personal phones before starting their rampage. He didn't bother destroying his work phone, which is the one the feds want to crack. Considering it was his work phone, and one he didn't think was even worth destroying, what are the odds of anything useful being found on it?

I suspect the real goal is to bust Apple down a bit, and make them work for the US in spying on US citizens. Only in the Land of the Free....

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

It'd be interesting if Apple is ordered by the court, instead of the US but rather another country, say, Russia to write this code in order to save its people - wonder how people's positions could change

Fair question, and I'm guessing those supporting the FBI with this would do a complete 180. Those supporting Apple would not likely change their stance at all.

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As long as Apple caves to the demands of the Chinese government in China, they should as well cave to the US government.

It is pretty hypocritical by the Apple management to posture as great human rights heroes where it does not cost them anything while kissing the behinds of murderous dictators who don´t take no for an answer.

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