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Why do you think billionaire Microsoft founder Bill Gates, whose foundation has plowed billions of dollars into making vaccines against diseases like polio, malaria and HIV, is a regular target for fringe groups and anti-vaxxers accusing him of benefiting from vaccination or even using them for harm.

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He is a target because he has invested portions of his wealth into Chinese virus labs.

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I find it very curious that while promoting vaccines to 'save lives', Mr Gates simultaneously strongly advocates global population reduction.

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Anyone with money and power ends up being a target of conspiracy theorists. They care very little for facts. They often believe conflicting conspiracy theories.

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Anyone with money and power ends up being a target of conspiracy theorists

Bill doesn't help his case with statements like this:

"The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent."

Bill Gates

Bill Gates on depopulation with vaccines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6G4WQgSRs

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Yeah, he's plowing billions, but he keeps getting richer. Much of the money he's spending goes into trying to control the narrative. Plus those things mentioned above...

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Antivaxxers latch to every person they can find that has even a little bit of fame to accuse, the conspiracy that exists in their mind is more important for them than actually protecting and saving lives so it is expected that any authority or celebrity that supports safe and effective vaccines will become a target. Unfortunately is a well expected consequence of doing something good. Fortunately most antivaxxers are active and vocal only online, seeing the news on the internet will make people think there are a huge lot of them in the world, but in reality is a very minor segment of the population, maybe that is why they are so desperate to convince other people with their misleading and false information

I find it very curious that while promoting vaccines to 'save lives', Mr Gates simultaneously strongly advocates global population reduction.

There is nothing curious about that, it has been scientifically demonstrated that reducing child mortality and increasing the standard of health and living make people have smaller families, saving lives is the best strategy to get global population reduction. He has said so repeatedly.

Bill doesn't help his case with statements like this:

Well, for any reasonable people this makes all the sense of the world. Only irrational people would immediately assume a conspiracy with this quote. And unfortunately irrational people by definition do not respond to reason nor logic, so nothing you could say would make them change their views, for antivaxxers, antiscience advocates, their beliefs are a kind of religion.

Yeah, he's plowing billions, but he keeps getting richer. Much of the money he's spending goes into trying to control the narrative. Plus those things mentioned above...

Something that should be easy to prove if true, but for some reason people just keep making empty accusations without proof, sometimes pretending to be experts as if saying it so would magically prove something.

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I will live my own life with my family as we choose to. Neither Bill Gates or any other elitist who I've never met and who knows nothing about my family and I will pressure us to do anything we're not interested it.

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Because anti-vaxxers, Qanon cultists and conspiracy theorists aren't intelligent enough to rise up against injustice and corruption, they have to invent stuff to rail against, instead.

And wow, the overlapping of these groups is frightening. It's not just right wing folks who are drawn in, either.

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He’s on the right wing/conspiracy theorist hymn sheet as a villain.

Don’t expect the people who recite this to have thought too much about it.

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Ever had a microsoft operating system on a computer ?

If you answer yes then you will understand Bill Gates , Virus and Anti virus all go hand in hand. Lol truth !!

Say what ever you like !!

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because he is a lizard. in disguise. and with his lizard friends, they plan to take over the world by spreading viruses. through 5G. It's all true, all of their diabolical plans have been exposed. on the net.

Well, this is about how much sense these people have.

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The lizards arn't spreading virus using 5G sheesus , they only using 5G to monitor the population with facial recognition cameras..................

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on paper, what they're doing sounds like they should be canonized as saints and given a nobel peace price, but I'll bet all the money they have that they're doing all of this as part of a an elaborate play that only a select people have the copy of the entire script.

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People seeing conspiracies and links among viruses of different sorts reminds of Neal Stephenson's 'Snow Crash', which was a fun read.

Not surprising that many of the intellectually vulnerable are taking these 'theories' seriously, seeing alien reptiles lurking in pizza parlors while believing the channeled words of a 35,000 year old man.

Nor is it surprising that keyboard warriors from global troll armies plus quick buck media quacks are exploiting those at the most vulnerable end of the spectrum. 2020, after all.

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I've said this before, but so many people who hated Bill Gates for being a monopolistic, ruthless intellectual property thief running a company whose main product was a virus magnet now consider him as St. Bill.

What changed?

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What changed?

He has been spending lots of money on promoting his image.

BTW, James Corbett has an excellent report on Gates:

https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/

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Because far-right lunatics are given free rein to spread their nutjob theories online, unchallenged.

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BTW, James Corbett has an excellent report on Gates:

James does thorough, well researched work. And he encourages people to do their own research, not just rely on what he does himself.

Which is more than we can say for the far-left posters on this site who think a certain individual is responsible for all that is evil in this world - without a hint of irony. Makes the so-called "far-right conspiracy theorists" look pretty mild in comparison.

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Makes the so-called "far-right conspiracy theorists" look pretty mild in comparison.

Comedy gold. It's nutjob drivel aimed at the gullible and poorly educated.

But at least it's not as foul as your mate Carl Benjamin. Remember linking to his youtube rant? The racist, homophobic bigot and failed UKIP candidate who got kicked off twitter for sending rape jokes to a British female MP.

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Alfie NoakesToday  05:35 pm JST

Makes the so-called "far-right conspiracy theorists" look pretty mild in comparison.

Comedy gold. It's nutjob drivel aimed at the gullible and poorly educated. 

But at least it's not as foul as your mate Carl Benjamin. Remember linking to his youtube rant? The racist, homophobic bigot and failed UKIP candidate who got kicked off twitter for sending rape jokes to a British female MP. 

On a related note, welcome to JapanToday dot com.

Sad days indeed.

I guess you get your "news" from the BBC, CNN etc, - sources with a proven record of lefty lies and bias, so you're probably just a happy little mushroom who believes whatever the MSM tells him.

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Remember linking to his youtube rant? The racist, homophobic bigot and failed UKIP candidate who got kicked off twitter for sending rape jokes to a British female MP.

And the joke's on you, Alfie. If there's another thing the left is terrible at, it's context. You'll happily cherry-pick a a few words if you can generate some outrage and get someone banned/deplatformed, but don't bother checking the situation surrounding it - the left's double-standards about what's acceptable discourse. That's what Twitter is all about these days.

Likewise with Bill Gates. what makes him untouchable all of a sudden? The guy is heavily invested in pharmaceutical companies, which my itself doesn't necessarily mean anything. But when he's pushing hard for worldwide vaccination in a hurry, he's less concerned about whether they're safe and effective than he is in making a moolah out of pushing the vaccines. Spending millions polishing his public image through slick PR so people will never question his intentions. Buying influence through huge "donations" to the WHO. What was you opinion of him when he was engaging in anti-competitive practices regarding his bug-ridden, virus-prone Windows?

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@kyronstavic

So, we’ve got Sargon of Akkad.

Any other gems we should be looking towards for real news?

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JimizoToday  06:49 pm JST

@kyronstavic

So, we’ve got Sargon of Akkad. 

Any other gems we should be looking towards for real news?

And who have you got? Lemme guess... Brian Stelter?

So tell me, if we go back to James Corbett, can you shot down - with documented evidence - what Corbett puts forward about Bill Gates? Instead of straw men and ad homs, why don't you go through his videos and follow up the sources he provides, and then come back to me?

I won't hold my breath.

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And who have you got? Lemme guess... Brian Stelter

Never heard of him.

I see myself as left on more than half of the important issues. I read The Independent, The Times, The Spectator, BBC to name a few. I used to read the Guardian but it became too cringeworthy along with the Telegraph. I also watch BBC. I like Andrew Neill although his politics don’t square with mine. It’s always good to read and watch more against your opinions than for them. I read Douglas Murray for the same reason.

This helps stop ridiculous and childish partisanship like statements along the lines of “another thing the left is terrible at”. Silliness.

So, we’ve got Sargon of Akkad and this Corbett character ( is this the 9/11 conspiracy theorist ? ). He seems like a very predictable, garden variety conspiracy theorist to me but I’ll check him out.

I’d guess you’re a Scott Adams fan ( many here are ) and a fan of podcasts.

Point us in the right direction. Also, point us towards what you read or watch in opposition to Sargon of Akkad and Corbett and your other sources for balance.

Thanks in advance.

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Which is more than we can say for the far-left posters on this site who think a certain individual is responsible for all that is evil in this world - without a hint of irony. 

There’s no-one on this website that posts to that effect on the left that I know of. Could you tell us to whom you are referring?

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Fortunately most antivaxxers are active and vocal only online, seeing the news on the internet will make people think there are a huge lot of them in the world, but in reality is a very minor segment of the population, maybe that is why they are so desperate to convince other people with their misleading and false information

Yeah, have a look at this tiny bunch of people who came to listen to RFKjr talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkAV3kHkty4

It doesn't matter how much Gates and others are spending to control the narrative, by controlling the MSM, scientific funding and publications... the truth will always find a way. Those who defend these bullies must result to insults, that is all they have: nutjob drivel, gullible, poorly educated, misleading,irrational, antiscience, lunatics,

These insults say more about them, really...

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Yeah, have a look at this tiny bunch of people who came to listen to RFKjr talk:

Compared with the amount that keep commenting and pretend to be university professors, researchers or other ridiculous things on the internet? still a tiny minority.

Yes yes, one person can control every one of the literally thousands of research institutes of the world, he pays so they can kill and poison their own family and friends and keep them from being cured, etc. etc.

Very sensible theory that makes perfect sense...

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nutjob drivel, gullible, poorly educated, misleading,irrational, antiscience, lunatics,

One important thing missing is the tendency of conspiracy theorists to be not that bright but desperately try to appear more insightful than others.

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So tell me, if we go back to James Corbett, can you shot down - with documented evidence - what Corbett puts forward about Bill Gates?

My first concern with Corbett's articles on Gates is the language he uses. Examples:

"But, once reviled for the massive wealth and the monopolistic power that his virus-laden software afforded him, Gates is now hailed as a visionary who is leveraging that wealth and power for the greater good of humanity."

*"This is the story of *How Bill Gates Monopolized Global Health."

I've never been a fan of Microsoft products, but to describe them as "virus-laden" is over the top. Often buggy, often clumsy, but used by the majority of the world's computer users.

He lists various investments/donations the Gates Foundation has made in the vaccine/medical field. They perhaps come to several billions of dollars. Sounds big, but considering the annual NHS budget of the UK alone is about $150 billion, he is hardly monopolizing global health.

On some of those fact-checking sites, The Corbett Report gets Tin Foil Hat marks on the conspiracy front and Moderate marks in the pseudo-science category. I'm a little suspicious of how those sites work, but just reading the article you linked to makes me think they are about right on this one.

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Compared with the amount that keep commenting and pretend to be university professors, researchers or other ridiculous things on the internet?

I guess someone has trouble accepting that their criticism of Yan's paper didn't make much sense. I tried to be as diplomatic as I could, saying that your posts, albeit wrong, are generally well written. But your criticism of the paper was just a word salad, and most of it made no sense.

Example:

One strains makes her whole analysis moot? she arbitrarily excludes it without justification.

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I guess someone has trouble accepting that their criticism of Yan's paper didn't make much sense.

Yes exactly, antivaxxers like to pretend to be professionals up to the point where they are confronted with actual arguments in professional language, in that case their only defense is to say it does not makes sense. Of course it doesn't, they don't have the necessary knowledge to even understand the arguments, they just want the recognition that scientists get, but without putting the effort to actually understand what they want to talk about.

It becomes obvious to everybody reading that the person is only pretending, but people that embrace irrationality are used to live in negation and never accept criticism, they cannot do anything about contrary arguments neither and just run away from the discussion with some excuse but one important point is that other people can actually see this and avoid falling in the same vicious circle.

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JimizoToday 07:31 pm JST

nutjob drivel, gullible, poorly educated, misleading,irrational, antiscience, lunatics,

One important thing missing is the tendency of conspiracy theorists to be not that bright but desperately try to appear more insightful than others.

Very much like those leftie nuts, spent years at university getting a degree in nothing useful but think they are very clever and intelligent and want their opinion implanted on everyone else.

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Bill gates is just well known easy target. Conspiracy theorist is only interested in setting up a binary situation.

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Very much like those leftie nuts, spent years at university getting a degree in nothing useful but think they are very clever and intelligent and want their opinion implanted on everyone else, I'm sure you know the type well.

I agree. I have a go at leftie nuts ( particularly the ‘woke’ crowd ) as well as conspiracy theory nuts.

I’d say the woke nuts tend to be as pathological as the conspiracy nuts but seem more intelligent. Just my experience.

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Never heard of him. 

I see myself as left on more than half of the important issues. I read The Independent, The Times, The Spectator, BBC to name a few. I used to read the Guardian but it became too cringeworthy along with the Telegraph. I also watch BBC. I like Andrew Neill although his politics don’t square with mine. It’s always good to read and watch more against your opinions than for them. I read Douglas Murray for the same reason. 

This helps stop ridiculous and childish partisanship like statements along the lines of “another thing the left is terrible at”. Silliness. 

So, we’ve got Sargon of Akkad and this Corbett character ( is this the 9/11 conspiracy theorist ? ). He seems like a very predictable, garden variety conspiracy theorist to me but I’ll check him out. 

I’d guess you’re a Scott Adams fan ( many here are ) and a fan of podcasts. 

Point us in the right direction. Also, point us towards what you read or watch in opposition to Sargon of Akkad and Corbett and your other sources for balance.

Thanks in advance.

I do exactly the same, but I lean right on the important issues. I read Left-leaning sites The Age, BBC, Australian ABC, CNN etc and even loony-fringe sites like Huffington Post and The Guardian for what the they’re saying.

And what’s wrong with Scott Adams? Done a lot more in his life than you could ever dream of accomplishing, and puts forward some pretty good arguments to boot. No shame in listening to what he says. Nobody agrees with anyone 100% of the time. Likewise with podcasts. There are podcasters from right across the spectrum on all manner of topics, so your attempted slur falls flat there.

But on topic, what makes Bill Gates above reproach?

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timeonToday  02:37 pm JST

because he is a lizard. in disguise. and with his lizard friends, they plan to take over the world by spreading viruses. through 5G. It's all true, all of their diabolical plans have been exposed. on the net.

Indeed. And only screaming orange victim Donald Trump can save us from the demons! Wear the tinfoil helmet and do not forget to vote thrice.

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A bunch of Brits arguing among themselves about which news sources to consider reliable on a discussion asking for the opinions of Mr. Gates from Japan. Only on the internet! Hint, most of us are not Brits and do not read the British press and have no interest in it. It's off topic.

It seems obvious that his name recognition combined with the amount of money he donates to health/vaccine related causes and his strong public advocacy makes Mr. Gates a target. What one thinks of Microsoft or him as a person is immaterial. He is out in front on a matter of high public interest. Being a leader means you take are going to be criticized by some. It just goes with the territory.

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But on topic, what makes Bill Gates above reproach?

Who said he was?

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Yes exactly, antivaxxers like to pretend to be professionals up to the point where they are confronted with actual arguments in professional language,

Professional language like: "One strains makes her whole analysis moot? she arbitrarily excludes it without justification."

Why don't you instead try to criticize Yan's paper again but this time try making sense... instead of just criticize those who point out your nonsense.

Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you finally tell us which vaccine involves the injection of 100 micrograms (?) of a single protein.

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And who have you got? Lemme guess... Brian Stelter?

Funniest thing I've seen on JT!

Thanks...

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The reason is the width and depth of human stupidity. The Internet has allowed the massive swath of stupid people to display their ignorance. We didn't have this problem before the Internet. The stupid people were hidden and ignored. People simply wouldn't listen to them or walked away when they started uttering stupid things.

Now, it's fashionable to be stupid. Heck you can even become a leader of a country and still be a moron.

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But on topic, what makes Bill Gates above reproach?

Does 'reproach' include baseless basement lizard based conspiracies?

When you have something solid to reproach him on, you might find that people will take those accusations a bit more seriously.

Funniest thing I've seen on JT!

....since you claimed to be a scientist.

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ClippetyClopToday  11:02 pm JST

But on topic, what makes Bill Gates above reproach?

Does 'reproach' include baseless basement lizard based conspiracies?

Lizard-based? Wow, at least be original.

I find it interesting that plenty of people on this forum bark on about conspiracy theories when they themselves have indulged in quite a few, most notably Russiagate, but also regarding conjecture about pretty much anything that goes on behind closed doors in the current White House.

Of course, they don’t call them conspiracy theories, but their theories fit the definition.

If you just come to terms with that fact that there are people who list for power and will do anything to get, keep and exercise it, the cognitive dissonance with melt away and the world will make a lot more sense. Rotten people don’t always come in the guise of a Dick Cheney, Tony Blair or Idi Amin. They can be charming and disarming, and that’s what makes them all the more dangerous - they’re harder to spot at first glance.

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Peter14

Aside from what you said, the internet has also opened up opportunities for ordinary people to hold the powers that be to account in ways that were near impossible before. Of course there are plenty of errors due to information gaps, but there’s no denying that we have a better view of what governments, corporations etc get up to when they think we're not looking than ever before. If the price is a few stupid people carrying on about lizards, 5G and fake moon landings, then it’s a price worth paying.

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So, Bill Gates doesn’t make a profit off developing and distributing vaccines?

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Because they need somebody to vilify to make themselves feel better?

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So, Bill Gates doesn’t make a profit off developing and distributing vaccines?

I've generally assumed he doesn't. I don't think he needs to. He set up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation after retiring his position at Microsoft. I've assumed it was set up as some kind of charitable trust and so he doesn't get any personal reward. (He's stinking rich so he doesn't need the extra money. ) You can view it as a vanity project or a hobby or benevolence or atonement. But to view it as a plan to control the world before he dies probably needs some additional evidence. You might ask why he hasn't invested it all in researching a drug to give him eternal life.

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because the Americans that complain are dumber than a bag of hammers? Washington Oregon California might as well be another country given all the scientists engineers and success stories like Gates

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So, Bill Gates doesn’t make a profit off developing and distributing vaccines?

Nope. Where did you get that silly idea? You clearly didn’t fact check it.

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“It’s almost hard to deny this stuff because it’s so stupid or strange that even to repeat it gives it credibility." -- Bill Gates

Gates is the second largest contributor to the World Health Organization behind the US. His efforts and funding of vaccinations for children has saved countless lives. He's contributed billions to help accelerate a coronavirus vaccine and isn't making a profit.

I go back to my previous post about the large swath of stupid people with an internet connection and a phone.

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Washington Oregon California might as well be another country given all the scientists engineers and success stories like Gates

Sigh. Sometimes I wish they were.

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Professional language like: "One strains makes her whole analysis moot? she arbitrarily excludes it without justification."

Why don't you instead try to criticize Yan's paper again but this time try making sense... instead of just criticize those who point out your nonsense.

Yes, for a professional there is nothing difficult to understand about it or any other of the arguments that not only me but many professionals have used to discredit her manuscript as simply a failed attempt to prove something scientifically.

Of course, if you have no idea about the topic it is not possible for you to understand it. Even this quote which even a layman with some interest in the topic can easily understood without problem.

Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you finally tell us which vaccine involves the injection of 100 micrograms (?) of a single protein.

You mean less than 100 micrograms, it is understandable you have trouble reading scientific papers, they are made to be read by people with specific preparation, but simple comments in plain language should not be that hard.

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As it is said, "no good deed goes unpunished". I surely hope he understood that from the beginning and is taking the conspiracies and insults as an inevitable consequence of doing something right.

@kurisupisu

So, Bill Gates doesn’t make a profit off developing and distributing vaccines?

I have only seen him mentioning the profit or gains for the people being vaccinated, not for himself.

@Raw Beer

Professional language like: "One strains makes her whole analysis moot? she arbitrarily excludes it without justification."

I am no professional, have no special interest on genetics and it makes perfect sense to me as a criticism. If you want to prove something and the only way to do it is to ignore without explanation something that proves the contrary that means you are wrong. Why don't you change the word "strain" for "result", or "evidence".

If you are supposed to be a researcher you are not doing yourself any favors by repeatedly writing that you cannot understand something so simple.

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@Strangerland

Since when is a question, a ‘silly idea’ ?

I could differentiate questions and statements before primary school.

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"fringe groups" and "anti-vaxers" can't think, tend to be poor and looking for someone to blame for their poverty besides themselves. So a billionaire is a natural target for their frustrations.

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And what’s wrong with Scott Adams?

He's a whackjob who doesn't believe in gravity.

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Bill Gates is someone who ran a monopoly that abused its monopoly position, made a fortune, and hardly paid any tax, at a much lower rate than the average person.

Ideally, he would have been taxed properly and the public and their representatives would have got to decide how that money was spent. It's likely that some of that money would have gone on medical research.

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Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you finally tell us which vaccine involves the injection of 100 micrograms (?) of a single protein.

You mean less than 100 micrograms, it is understandable you have trouble reading scientific papers, they are made to be read by people with specific preparation, but simple comments in plain language should not be that hard.

Well, since you are criticizing my reading abilities, I went through the trouble of finding your exact words:

What do you think has more likehood of producing those, a vaccine that exposes the body to one or two proteins at the microgram dose or a viral infection that does the same with a couple of dozens proteins...

OK, so it's one or two proteins. So which vaccine involves the injection of a microgram dose of only one or two proteins?

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SneezyToday  10:16 am JST

And what’s wrong with Scott Adams?

He's a whackjob who doesn't believe in gravity.

Hahaha! Where on earth did you get that from? He's certainly got people like you figured out. Thanks for the morning laugh.

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JimizoSep. 24  10:24 pm JST

But on topic, what makes Bill Gates above reproach?

Who said he was?

The question for this thread poisons the well by implying that anyone who doesn't take him at face value is a nutter. If the mainstream media is anything to go by, the man can do no wrong.

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He has said at Davos that "we" (the elites) have to reduce the population to only 1 billion people to be the slaves. All others should be killed with the "vaccine". That's his stand.

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Hahaha! Where on earth did you get that from?

Scott Adams.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/751862277293219841

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He has said at Davos that "we" (the elites) have to reduce the population to only 1 billion people to be the slaves. All others should be killed with the "vaccine". That's his stand.

I'm sure you have a reputable source for this.

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SneezyToday  11:03 am JST

Hahaha! Where on earth did you get that from? 

Scott Adams.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/751862277293219841

That does not mean he doesn't believe in gravity. It's a little ambiguous, but I'd hazard a guess that he means gravity can't be observed directly, only its effects.

You might want to refine your comprehension skills a little.

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"Gravity is definitely an illusion" isn't ambiguous. You yourself have to make angled guesses as to what he means to try and justify it. That's not an exercise in comprehension, but in mental gymnastics.

But surely, Sneezy, you must have more evidence that Adams doesn't believe in gravity, I hear you ask. Well, lucky you, it just so happens that I do, from his book The Dilbert Future.

Imagine a marble and a bowling ball. Now imagine they both instantly double in size. The marble still looks pretty much like a marble, but the bowling ball appears huge. When a large object doubles in size, it seems to have a disproportionately significant impact compared to a smaller object. So if gravity is an optical illusion, large objects would appear to create more of the illusion than smaller objects. That's consistent with what we see.

Now let's move from the hypothetical universe to our current universe filled with planets and other matter. You'd have to add another rule in order for the expanding matter theory to replace gravity in the current universe. You'd have to have a universe where all the major planets are moving away from each other quickly, otherwise they'd grow until they all bumped together. In fact, the current universe does appear to be expanding, so that's no obstacle to the expanding matter theory. I can't think of anything in the "real" universe that would contradict the notion of gravity being an illusion caused by expanding matter.

But is that all that's wrong with his broken brain? Nope! He thinks that women have the minds of children or the intellectually disabled:

The reality is that women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently. It’s just easier this way for everyone. 

I'm sorry. I know you like the cartoons with the talking dog man, but Adams is a weirdo with brain worms who thinks The Secret is real. Try Calvin and Hobbes, it's much better.

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@kyronvastic and sneezy: it is a little off topic, but gravity does not exist. What we call "gravity" is actually the curvature of space caused by the mass. See Einstein.

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But is that all that's wrong with his broken brain? Nope! He thinks that women have the minds of children or the intellectually disabled:

The reality is that women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently. It’s just easier this way for everyone. 

I'm sorry. I know you like the cartoons with the talking dog man, but Adams is a weirdo with brain worms who thinks The Secret is real. Try Calvin and Hobbes, it's much better.

This will probably get deleted, but you really need to improve your comprehension skills.

Regarding gravity, he does not say it doesn't exist, but likens its effects to an optical illusion. Admittedly his explanation about the growth of planets is a little puzzling, but the theory about the rate of the universe's expansion exceeding the ability of gravity to hold it back and eventually cause it collapse back in on itself isn't out of line with mainstream theories. In truth, nobody really knows.

And about your second point, all he's saying is that men and women should be treated differently not in the sense of equality before the law, but because we are different. He just assumes that people who read his message are smart enough to figure that out for themselves.

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OK, so it's one or two proteins. So which vaccine involves the injection of a microgram dose of only one or two proteins?

See, it much more simple to accept that you ignore even very basic concepts of biological sciences, there is no need to pretend being something else and run the risk of not understanding professional lingo.

What is still a little bit troublesome is how difficult apparently is for you getting information that is publicly available.

Influenza vaccine

"Each 0.25 mL dose of Fluzone vaccine contains 7.5 micrograms (mcg) of influenza virus hemagglutinin (HA)"

https://www.who.int/immunization_standards/vaccine_quality/fluzone_sanofi_pasteur_product_insert.pdf

Hepatitis B vaccine

"1 dose (1 ml) contains: Hepatitis B surface antigen1,2 20 micrograms"

http://www.hpra.ie/img/uploaded/vaccines/SPC_PA1077023002.pdf

Meningococcus vaccine

"A divalent vaccine containing equal weights of Neisseria meningitidis group Y and group W135 capsular polysaccharides was inoculated subcutaneously... we conclude that there are no advantages to doses in excess of 5 micrograms..."

https://iai.asm.org/content/37/1/205

Even the COVID-19 vaccine candidates

"The study randomly assigned 45 patients to get one of three doses of the vaccine or placebo. Twelve received a 10-microgram dose, 12 a 30-microgram dose, 12 a 100-microgram dose, and nine a placebo."

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/01/covid-19-vaccine-from-pfizer-and-biontech-shows-positive-results/comment-page-1/

Ignoring something is a terribly bad basis for thinking it does not exist, specially when is something you have no interest nor experience. Instead of badly pretending to be a professional you can simply ask around. Any layman can find this information without problems, and for anybody actually involved in biological sciences this is just common sense.

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If the price is a few stupid people carrying on about lizards, 5G and fake moon landings, then it’s a price worth paying

Conspiracy theories can be far more corrosive than that. This is a pathology that gives rise to the anti-vaxxers, holocaust deniers and birthers to name just three. Very ugly, dangerous and stupid nonsense. Conspiracy theorists exist on a spectrum of crackpottery. The flat earthers are not representative of the group as a whole, but the paranoia and yearning to look more intelligent than they are is a problematic pathology on the whole.

Writing off conspiracy theorists as entertaining cranks isn’t accurate.

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Regarding gravity, he does not say it doesn't exist, but likens its effects to an optical illusion.

He's not "likening". He's saying it is an illusion. It's not ambiguous, it is clear. As are the effects of gravity that we see all around us, and that Adams denies.

Admittedly his explanation about the growth of planets is a little puzzling,

It's not confusing, I understand it. It's just nonsense.

but the theory about the rate of the universe's expansion exceeding the ability of gravity to hold it back and eventually cause it collapse back in on itself isn't out of line with mainstream theories. In truth, nobody really knows.

This has nothing to do with the Big Rip hypothetical or the Big Crunch hypothesis (you seem to be conflating these two contradictory potential fates of the universe). It's just a load of nonsense peddled by an unscientific know nothing with delusions of insight. Much like other right-wing conjecture.

And about your second point, all he's saying is that men and women should be treated differently not in the sense of equality before the law, but because we are different. He just assumes that people who read his message are smart enough to figure that out for themselves.

He literally compares women to children or the mentally disabled. That's what comes to mind when he thinks of an oppressed class of people.

But Adams is also someone who said that if a woman didn't give him a cuddle he'd happily sign up to be a suicide bomber. His Tweets also suggest that he believes we all live in a simulation. He's intellectually vapid, philosophically illiterate and morally atrocious. It is entirely consistent with his political position as a right-wing shill.

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Weird isn't it. Bill Gates commits a lot of his fortune to philanthropic causes and gets vilified, yet Jeff Bezos does very little philanthropy and no one says much bad about him. People can be pretty stupid.

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JimizoToday  12:41 pm JST

If the price is a few stupid people carrying on about lizards, 5G and fake moon landings, then it’s a price worth paying

Conspiracy theories can be far more corrosive than that. This is a pathology that gives rise to the anti-vaxxers, holocaust deniers and birthers to name just three. Very ugly, dangerous and stupid nonsense. Conspiracy theorists exist on a spectrum of crackpottery. The flat earthers are not representative of the group as a whole, but the paranoia and yearning to look more intelligent than they are is a problematic pathology on the whole.

Writing off conspiracy theorists as entertaining cranks isn’t accurate.

Conspiracy theories aren't exclusively the domain of nutters. Calling someone a conspiracy theorist just because you (speaking in the general sense, not specifically you, Jimizo) think what they are saying agrees with your worldview doesn't make them crazy, but it's a convenient pejorative to avoid having to deal with them. Thing is, if governments, big corporations, etc. didn't lie, steal and cheat as a matter of habit, most conspiracy theories would go away. But because we've had demonstrable instances of lies and cover-ups such as Iraq's WMDs, USS Liberty, the Gulf of Tonkin, China's Uighur labour camps, obfuscations about the efficacy of drugs etc settled out of court to name a few, there are plenty of grounds to be suspicious. Back in the old USSR, people who questioned the legitimacy of the Communist Party and its general ideology were declared mentally ill and shipped off to prison, labour camps or worse.

In light of all that, it's a little surprising that at lot more people don't regard the news and official announcements with far more skepticism. Or maybe lots more people do, but just don't voice their thoughts. I've certainly grown more cynical over the years, and view most right-leaning governments these days with the same contempt as I do with left-leaning ones, not to mention major corporations and NGOs. Of course, there are good people working in them, but they don't hold the reins or call the shots.

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But Adams is also someone who said that if a woman didn't give him a cuddle he'd happily sign up to be a suicide bomber. His Tweets also suggest that he believes we all live in a simulation. He's intellectually vapid, philosophically illiterate and morally atrocious. It is entirely consistent with his political position as a right-wing shill.

No, he just trolls people like you to a T. He knows what buttons to press.

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No, he's an idiot, and he believes these things. That's why his fanboys have to pull out their psychic powers to read the mind of someone they don't know who lives thousands of miles away and say "aha, well, he might have written this, and he may have written it several times, and it may have been presented perfectly seriously, and he may have said it's his legitimate belief, but I know it's a joke because I just do".

Letting go of the cartoons where the man with the funny tie says "my boss is dumb" will be hard. But Calvin and Hobbes is genuinely much better. You will be okay,

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His donations are all tax deductible, so they cost him nothing, indeed, he earns profits on the publicity these donations create.

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He's saying it is an illusion. It's not ambiguous, it is clear. As are the effects of gravity that we see all around us, and that Adams denies.

@Sneezy, I don't think describing gravity as an "illusion" is denying its existence. Physics is still struggling to explain gravity. (Look up "quantum gravity" on Wikipedia for an idea of the difficulties it presents.)

I don't know much about Scott Adams, but I don't get the impression he is a conspiracy nutter. I think, as kyronstavic implies, he likes to wind people up by challenging their thinking.

He doesn't seem much of a scientist though. When he says about a marble and a bowling ball, "Now imagine they both instantly double in size, The marble still looks pretty much like a marble, but the bowling ball appears huge." To double the volume of bowling ball, you'd only have to increase the radius from about 10 to 13 centimeters. Which perhaps proves he's not a lizard. :-)

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See, it much more simple to accept that you ignore even very basic concepts of biological sciences, there is no need to pretend being something else and run the risk of not understanding professional lingo.

What is still a little bit troublesome is how difficult apparently is for you getting information that is publicly available.

Most vaccines are produced in various cell lines (human fetal, monkey, or other animal cells). When you get a vaccine, you do indeed get the desired weakened or inactivated virus, but you also get a bunch of other unwanted stuff from the cell culturing process, which could also be contaminated with additional viruses. You get this mess injected directly into your body and that is making many people seriously sick.

At the time, I mentioned that I would rather catch the natural virus by natural means, rather than getting that guck injected directly into my body. Regarding the side effects, you responded saying:

What do you think has more likehood of producing those, a vaccine that exposes the body to one or two proteins at the microgram dose or a viral infection that does the same with a couple of dozens proteins...

I knew there were no trials for Covid19 vaccine candidates that involved the injection of one or two proteins. I realized you were making stuff up, so I simply asked you which vaccine you were referring to, that involves injecting a microgram dose of one or two proteins.

You finally answered that question, but if you actually read the article you linked to you should have noticed that:

The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, like the Moderna vaccine, is based on a technology called messenger RNA, which uses a key genetic messenger found in cells to create protein that the immune system then learns to attack. Moderna has not yet published data on its vaccine but is expected to do so soon.

The micrograms you quoted above do not refer to protein. They are not injecting micrograms of protein.

You should perhaps get your ideas straight before insulting others...

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@Sneezy, I don't think describing gravity as an "illusion" is denying its existence. Physics is still struggling to explain gravity. (Look up "quantum gravity" on Wikipedia for an idea of the difficulties it presents.)

When I say that he doesn't believe in gravity, what I mean is that he rejects all theories of gravity that we understand today in favor of his moon logic. Now, you might say, "well hold on there, Sneezy, this is just twice that he's said gravity is an illusion, and only the one time he's said that actually what appears to be gravity is just everything in the universe doubling in size every moment", but he also pushed this hypothesis (I'll describe charitably) in newsletters to his fans, and had e-mail debates with physicists on why actually he's right even though his hypothesis is unfalsifiable and also doesn't explain orbits.

But that's not all! Not only does he predict in The Dilbert Future that the theory of gravity (and, incidentally, of evolution) will be disproved in his lifetime, but he also pushes a different but no less bizarre "alternative" to gravity in his pamphlet God's Debris. What is it?

If you observed God-dust that was near the Earth it would look like it was being sucked toward the planet. But there is no movement across space in the sense that we understand it. The dust is continuously disappearing in one place and appearing in another, with each new location being nearer the Earth.

...

Einstein’s language about bent space and my description of God-dust are nothing more than mental models. If they help us deal wth our environment, they are useful. My description of gravity is easier to understand than Einstein’s model. In that sense, mine is better

http://images.ucomics.com/images/pdfs/sadams/godsdebris.pdf

Now your next, and reasonable, objection is to say, "hold it right there, Sneezy! It says, right there in the introduction that these views aren't necessarily his!". That's true enough, it does say that.

But, if we consider that the author of this pamphlet regularly questions all theories of gravity and posits their own unscientific, unfalsifiable, unrealistic alternatives, and he says that the character who posits this hypothesis is better than Einstein (from an author who has made internet sockpuppet accounts to hyper himself as one of the smartest men on Earth) can we guess that he doesn't believe in gravity? Well, maybe not. Unless we had some blog post of his that says that he does think that his God's Debris theory will one day supercede known theories of gravity. But what are the odds of

But if someday the idea is validated that gravity is an illusion caused by probability and entropy, it will seem as though art, including but not limited to God’s Debris, predicted humanity was ready for that knowledge.

https://www.scottadamssays.com/2010/07/14/science-nerds-only/

Oh. Huh.

I don't know much about Scott Adams, but I don't get the impression he is a conspiracy nutter. I think, as kyronstavic implies, he likes to wind people up by challenging their thinking.

I never said he was a conspiracy nutter. Aside from potentially believing that the whole world is a simulation, and flirting with holocaust denial, I don't think he is.

But I do think he is an idiot.

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Most vaccines are produced in various cell lines (human fetal, monkey, or other animal cells). When you get a vaccine, you do indeed get the desired weakened or inactivated virus, but you also get a bunch of other unwanted stuff from the cell culturing process, which could also be contaminated with additional viruses. You get this mess injected directly into your body and that is making many people seriously sick.

That is completely unrelated with your question, that was extremely easy to answer. Contaminants are (if ever) on the picogram/ml level, much lower than what you get in the bloodstream simply by breathing. Aditional viruses are not a contaminant of any currently used vaccine, because it has become routine to use NGS to detect even very faint genetic sequences from anything produced, this allows the corroboration of no other pathogen being present. Which you would already know if you had any experience with biological sciences.

The most important part, vaccines have demonstrated to be much safer than the infection they are preventing. So even if the theoretical possibility of them causing a problem always exist it is still much lower than from the disease itself.

I knew there were no trials for Covid19 vaccine candidates that involved the injection of one or two proteins. I realized you were making stuff up, so I simply asked you which vaccine you were referring to, that involves injecting a microgram dose of one or two proteins.

I gave you several examples of vaccines that do involve injecting one or two proteins at a microgram dose, something that you thought impossible, now you move the goalposts and make it as if there was only one vaccine for COVID19? (and guess what? mRNA is still much safer than the infection, thanks for proving yourself wrong)

Once again you think that if you don't know about something it does not exist, that is false

PiCoVacc is purified inactivated virus, so it contains none of the non-structural proteins and is dosed at 3 or 6 μg per dose.

Pfizer and BioNTech's BNT162b2 vaccine candidate encodes an optimized SARS-CoV-2 full-length spike glycoprotein, at a 30µg dose level in a 2-dose regimen. 

Novavax's NVX-CoV2373 is a prefusion protein coronavirus vaccine across 2 dose levels (5 and 25 µg)

etc. etc. etc.

See how it is very easy to prove you have no idea about what you want to talk about? There are literally more than a hundred clinical trials for COVID-19 with a lot of those candidates testing purified or recombinant proteins, and since the norm for vaccination is to inoculate them at the microgram level it requires deep ignorance of the whole process to think none of them would be at those levels.

You should perhaps get your ideas straight before insulting others..

There is nothing insulting about you ignoring everything about vaccines, it would be if you were a professional of biosciences, but it is clear by now this is not the case, so you are in the same situation as everybody else that have never dedicated their time to study it.

The negative part is once again assuming that your own personal ignorance means that everybody else, including the professionals that produce or evaluate vaccines or other medical interventions are in the same situation as you.

You can be at peace, they do know much more than you.

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The article asks the question, and I am happy to give my opinion.

Currently, in the world, we have a dictator who uses his position to intentionally sow disinformation and fake news for the purpose of weakening the world outside of Russia. Why does he do this? Probably because he is a true sociopath.

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Damn. virusrex just ended that man's whole career.

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That is completely unrelated with your question, that was extremely easy to answer. Contaminants are (if ever) on the picogram/ml level, much lower than what you get in the bloodstream simply by breathing. Aditional viruses are not a contaminant of any currently used vaccine, because it has become routine to use NGS to detect even very faint genetic sequences from anything produced, this allows the corroboration of no other pathogen being present. Which you would already know if you had any experience with biological sciences.

Strange, that does not agree with what I have been hearing from a number of virologists, about vaccine manufacturers refusing to test for a number of contaminants.

Anyway, I still refuse to get "picogram/ml" of monkey or fetal proteins injected directly into my bloodstream. But again, for someone who considers a vaccine as perfectly fine even before clinical trials, go ahead...

Pfizer and BioNTech's BNT162b2 vaccine candidate encodes an optimized SARS-CoV-2 full-length spike glycoprotein, at a 30µg dose level in a 2-dose regimen.

Yeah, it encodes a protein, but it is not a protein. The 30µg does not refer to the protein.

The most important part, vaccines have demonstrated to be much safer than the infection they are preventing. So even if the theoretical possibility of them causing a problem always exist it is still much lower than from the disease itself.

Right, tell that to the thousands who have been paralyzed by the Gardasil vaccine, or to the parents of the hundreds of girls killed by it. Or to the millions of parents of autistic kids.

Damn. virusrex just ended that man's whole career.

Oh, I see virusrex has a fan. But no worries, I have tenure : )

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Pretty easy, from a psychological perspective. He's a target because he is successful, plain and simple. He'd be an easier target if he were a total jerk and snubbed his nose at the idea of helping people (which would actually get him some fans, ironically), but what makes him a BIGGER target is that he's not only successful and rich, he's also a philanthropist. He is better than most of us an nearly every single level, and people just can't handle that. Since people can't watch him fail, they have to make up scenarios where, in their minds, Gates is not only a bad person at heart, but also in deed.

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Strange, that does not agree with what I have been hearing from a number of virologists, about vaccine manufacturers refusing to test for a number of contaminants

Yeah sure, obscure hidden virologist (maybe that only you can see?). And they still use the vaccines for their children because... some reason that only you know right? Or are you waiting until they are over 95yo to ask them so maybe they already went the same way that poor Luc Montagnier and believe in electromagnetic DNA?

Anyway, I still refuse to get "picogram/ml" of monkey or fetal proteins injected directly into my bloodstream. But again, for someone who considers a vaccine as perfectly fine even before clinical trials, go ahead...

Again misrepresenting other people's words? go again to check, there is a huge difference between saying a vaccine CAN be perfectly fine and saying they ARE.

And I am very sorry but you would have to stop eating, drinking or breathing to stop all kinds of proteins and other contaminants from entering a much larger quantities into your blood stream. With enough testing everything can be found in your blood with a test sensible enough (like the ones used for examining vaccines).

Yeah, it encodes a protein, but it is not a protein. The 30µg does not refer to the protein.

Still, not bad for exactly one minute of googling, How about the others? you said there was "no trials for Covid19 vaccine candidates that involved the injection of one or two proteins" and were proved wrong immediately and without real effort. Not one but 2 perfectly clear examples that what you "knew" were simply lies born from ignorance.

Right, tell that to the thousands who have been paralyzed by the Gardasil vaccine, or to the parents of the hundreds of girls killed by it. Or to the millions of parents of autistic kids

Again lies, data have demonstrated that LESS vaccinated girls had any problem or died when compared with the non-vaccinated ones. If anything Gardasil would then be protecting them from those complications unrelated to the infection (obviously nonsense, the same as saying the vaccine did it when it simply did not prevent something that happens with or without the vaccine, because that is not their purpose).

On the other hand, will you take responsibility for any girl that refused the vaccine and got sick or died from cervical cancer because of the missinformation that you keep repeating even after being corrected several times?

I have tenure : )

Yes, of course, it is not like everybody have seen how much you ignore about what you supposedly work.

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Oh, I see virusrex has a fan. But no worries, I have tenure : )

lol sure ok

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Bill doesn't help his case with statements like this:

"The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent."

Bill Gates

Bill Gates on depopulation with vaccines

OK, gonna teach some reading comprehension here

By "we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent" refers to "that's headed up to about nine billion"

Meaning, instead of headed up to about nine billion, it would be headed up to [9 billion minus 10 percent equals] 8.1 billion

That's not depopulation. The population still increased from 6.8 billion to 8.1 billion - a rise in population by 1.3 billion

Rather, that's a decrease in the rate of population growth

So that clears things up

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Or to the millions of parents of autistic kids

Double lol that you believe this nonsense peddled by a disgraced British doc whose sole paper of garbage pushing this nonsense was retracted.

Vaccines do not cause autism.

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Or are you waiting until they are over 95yo to ask them so maybe they already went the same way that poor Luc Montagnier and believe in electromagnetic DNA?

I would not necessarily trust

Montagnier received his Nobel prize for his work on HIV, so I certainly respect his views on viruses, but indeed I would reserve more skepticism for his opinion on other matters. But his views on viruses, and specifically on virus research in China, where he has worked, should not be discarded. He is 88, but when he spoke recently, he still seemed lucid, there was nothing Bidenesque about him.

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Trump people think that Bill Gates makes child porn with Hillary. It figures since they don't rely on science and turn to what Trump says as the truth. For example Trump pushes injecting Mr. Clean to cure COVID-19. Also, he turns to a pillow maker for another cure. But scientists? Never because Trump people don't believe in Science.

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But his views on viruses, and specifically on virus research in China, where he has worked, should not be discarded.

Yes they should, his views are antiscientific and plainly ridiculous, you obviously did not understand his views since you are not an specialist. But when he based his accusation on short sequences he says are taken from the HIV to make the pandemic coronavirus every virologist of the world did a simultaneous face palm.

To make the claim easier for the general public to understand (and maybe also you) The sequences he talked about are present in most (all?) of the coronaviruses discovered and sequenced until now. Including some that were discovered before the HIV. For him to be even remotely right the conspiracy would have to introduce those sequences in the common ancestor of all the coronaviruses... a few hundred thousands years ago.

If a person tells you that your local hospital (the building whole) flies around the world every night to cure unicorns, it would have absolutely no importance if that person worked or not on that hospital before, it would still be nonsense.

He is 88, but when he spoke recently, he still seemed lucid, there was nothing Bidenesque about him.

That is the problem about listening to people talk about something you know nothing about. They could be telling you complete nonsense and you have no background to notice.

But yes, absolutely nothing about him is like Biden, only one of the two is famous for being constantly wrong about every single thing he says in public from the last few years.

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Right, tell that to the thousands who have been paralyzed by the Gardasil vaccine

I just checked the conservative Fox new website and I can't find a citation of this? Thousands? Because Fox news is based in

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on the Donald Trump version of Science. Like injecting Mr. Clean to cure covid-19

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Currently, in the world, we have a dictator who uses his position to intentionally sow disinformation and fake news for the purpose of weakening the world outside of Russia. Why does he do this? Probably because he is a true sociopath.

Who? Xi Jinping?

on the Donald Trump version of Science. Like injecting Mr. Clean to cure covid-19

You know, it's hard to believe some people are STILL parroting this falsehood that Trump suggested people inject themselves with bleach.

And every time I see it, I'll call them out on it. Here are two videos which destroy this falsehood. Oh my...

Trump ‘did not promote’ injecting disinfectant to combat coronavirus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-MV9sdxzcM

Trump said WHAT about disinfectant?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXARy68kl1E

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Trump ‘did not promote’ injecting disinfectant to combat coronavirus

WRONG

“I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning

Trump quote. Better stay safe in Japan Trump people. Because at least the prime minister is not saying such nutty things.

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I just checked the conservative Fox new website and I can't find a citation of this? Thousands?

Why would you look up FOX for this. You should look at VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). According to them, the following negative reactions to HPV vaccines were reported as of 7/14/2018:

2773 disabled

430 dead

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Why would you look up FOX for this.

Because FOX viewers are anti-vaccine (except for Mr. Clean).

430 dead

Oh, I just found a source that lists 130,000 dead so that number is wrong (according to Trump people)

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I agree. I have a go at leftie nuts ( particularly the ‘woke’ crowd ) as well as conspiracy theory nuts.

You don't though, Jimizo. You say you do, but you don't really.

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I agree. I have a go at leftie nuts ( particularly the ‘woke’ crowd ) as well as conspiracy theory nuts.

You don't though, Jimizo. You say you do, but you don't really.

Yawn.

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Why would you look up FOX for this. You should look at VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). According to them, the following negative reactions to HPV vaccines were reported as of 7/14/2018:

2773 disabled

430 dead

And still the misleading and lack of necessary information. Compared with a similar population of girls that were NOT vaccinated the numbers are equivalent.

Studies have confirmed there is no difference in the number of people affected or that died. That proves the vaccine had not specific negative effect, it is just that as expected it does not protect the girls from every other source of damage that could affect them.

The first time that I corrected you on this it was understandable that you made the mistake. The 20th time it becomes obvious you are repeating something you know is wrong.

Sorry, repeating a lie does not magically turn it into a truth.

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Probably for the same reason most conspiracy theories exist:

Because there are *millions of men in their 30s in this country (the US) that still live with their parents either in the basement, above the garage, or in their childhood bedrooms, who deliver pizzas or drive for UBER, typically in a 20-year old Buick they inherited after a grandparent died. These men are bitter about the successes their peer have in life (careers, families, homes), and rather than self-reflect on the mess that is their own lives, they seek to make sense of the chaos of the world by imagining things.

a short-form way to refer to these men is simply "losers"
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Since when is a question, a ‘silly idea’ ?

I could differentiate questions and statements before primary school.

Adding a question mark to a statement doesn’t make it a question. This makes it not clear whether you actually know the difference between a statement and a question:

So, Bill Gates doesn’t make a profit off developing and distributing vaccines?

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However the US is screwed up, everyone can sue whoever they like without repercussion. So if Person A sues Person B, then Person B has to Counter-Sue Person A as a protection, and only the Lawyers win in the end.

However the mere accusation is damaging to many, so Person B may never really recover from that initial accusation - it will linger around them forever, even under the "Fake News" banner.

The US needs to rethink its Laws, its Politics, and its Constitution in order to survive within today's Modern World, as at present, its own perceived "Enemies" are using those things against it, and achieving results to their own aims.

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...because those accusing him are too stupid to be Juggalos, so they joined QAnon?

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That's because there are a lot of sheep and morons in the world that just want to see the world burn.

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Because a sizable portion of the population is u.n.-educated and grievance-filled. They want a scapegoat and Bill is a convenient target.

This isn’t a particularly challenging question to answer.

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And Scott Adams is a walking talking incel using is strip to take out his frustrations on society.

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“His strip” apologies

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Because anti-vaxxers, Qanon cultists and conspiracy theorists aren't intelligent enough to rise up against injustice and corruption, they have to invent stuff to rail against, instead.

And this is why they all use Macs, the easiest and most stress free way to avoid dealing with the guy.

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So is he a good or bad guy?

Depends upon your decision.

No matter what.

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None of this nonsense is true. Well, his unflagging control of his giant lizard armies is true, but other than that, it’s nonsense.

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Bill Gates got rich screwing people over. He might be king of the global greed bags. Current philanthropy might be from the realization that death is near which often sparks a race to reform one's image or bury the truth. A common mode is wild philanthropy. Also his wife Melissa seems to have had a lot of influence in tapping the greed bag's wealth for global good. Regardless, not all of us are Bill Gates fans and some have better reasons than others not to be. Regardless, few give the people they hate a break even that person does something good. But hey, even if Gates gives every kid on the planet a bicycle it hardly makes up for the small companies he has destroyed on this way to the top or how he has abused the dominant position of Windows to gouge us all.

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@nishikat I hate Trump but your quote is out of context. There was serious consideration of using bands of UV light to disinfect inside the lungs, among other things. I hate Trump, but I don't expect him to be scientifically accurate when musing about such things. He was asking a question and there was nothing stopping the doctors/ scientists he was asking from correcting his question as they answered. He never suggest injecting Lysol as some people are making it out to be.

Sad fact is we don't need to be unfair to Trump to make him look like an idiot. He is an idiot. Anyone working hard to make him look like an idiot is setting up having their own intelligence questioned.

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And this is why they all use Macs, the easiest and most stress free way to avoid dealing with the guy.

Yeah, why would anyone want to deal with one of the most prolific philanthropists in the world? Let people help themselves or they will become lazy.

Odd that neither Microsoft or Apple were founded by conservatives, isn’t it?

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Why would you look up FOX for this. You should look at VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). According to them, the following negative reactions to HPV vaccines were reported as of 7/14/2018:

2773 disabled

430 dead

Raw Beer - I have been reading this thread with amusement as virusrex utterly destroys your arguments, but this makes me angry. The events leading to the suspension if the HPV vaccine in Japan are a good example of mass hysteria.

As virusrex noted, the claims have been debunked. The impact of cervical cancer is real - it leads to thousands of deaths every year as well as terrible operations to save the lives of women that have it. We have the opportunity to prevent thousands of unnecessary deaths, but anti-vax campaigners really have blood on their hands.

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And this is why they all use Macs, the easiest and most stress free way to avoid dealing with the guy.

On the whole they can't afford macs. Conspiracy theory followers tend to be poorly educated and earn less.

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Conspiracy theorists exist on a spectrum of crackpottery. The flat earthers are not representative of the group as a whole, but the paranoia and yearning to look more intelligent than they are is a problematic pathology on the whole.

Writing off conspiracy theorists as entertaining cranks isn’t accurate.

Almost all flat earther types subscribe to the same set of conspiracy theories partly because it has the same fundamental basis - that the government is lying to us.

Flat earth is also closely linked to fundamentalist evangelical Christian movements, so in it is quite dangerous. It also has to dismiss the concept of gravity, because that causes the planets to be spherical (see discussion above), and therefore the entire theory of relativity that came from the (Jewish) Einstein and therefore the rejection of pretty much all science, which links then to anti-vax and science denial in general and the irrational dislike for Bill Gates.

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In this day of modern medical science where vaccines have become part of every day life, how can one be an "anti-vaxxer"?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#History

"Anti-vaxxers" are deemed a global health threat by the World Health Organization, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_hesitancy

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The lizards arn't spreading virus using 5G sheesus , they only using 5G to monitor the population with facial recognition cameras................

Bjorn - you probably carry a phone voluntarily that tracks you. They do need facial recognition software to find out where you are.

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"Anti-vaxxers" are deemed a global health threat by the World Health Organization

That is the same WHO that is receiving a significant portion of their funding from Gates.

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That is the same WHO that is receiving a significant portion of their funding from Gates.

Which is a double punch for antivaxxers but irrelevant for logical thinking, rational people.

People that do not believe in a global conspiracy of doctors sacrificing their own children can see the reasons for the denomination are crystal clear and the WHO position only an effect of them, not a cause.

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Why do you assume the doctors are in on it? The narrative is controlled by a small group of rich (e.g., Gates) and powerful people, who control who gets research funding, what is taught in schools, and what is said on the MSM.

I am pretty sure that few doctors have heard Dr. Judy Mikovits and others talk.

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Why do you assume the doctors are in on it? The narrative is controlled by a small group of rich (e.g., Gates) and powerful people, who control who gets research funding, what is taught in schools, and what is said on the MSM.

Because for every kind of outlet that doctors and nurses have to speak about it, organizations, conferences, symposiums etc. All over the world the opinion is the same. Antivaxxers are a problem to public health for their spreading of lies and misinformation that produces unnecessary worries in parents well intentioned.

And no, believing that you, a layman that ignores a lot more about health than the professionals can find the "truth" more easily than them is another irrational belief. They studied and work precisely on that, you only read about it from terrible bad sources. If their opinions are different than yours there is only one logical answer about who is the one in the right.

Also, thinking that all the money that funds research in a global scale is invested into fooling the professionals that actually use it and can easily notice if they are lies, only to get a profit that not even reaches the amount spent is even more irrational.

I am pretty sure that few doctors have heard Dr. Judy Mikovits and others talk.

That would be a good thing, proven liars that reject science and only repeat proven lies even after they are proven to them clearly should not be given a forum to repeat them. Simple evidence that everybody can see contradicts the crooks, for a professional that knows much more than you the barrage of irrational beliefs trying to be disguised as facts and the repeat of plain lies can actually be physically painful.

If you were even one hundredth skeptical about what antivaxxers say than what a doctor is about scientific data you would held the crooks in contempt (or in pity) instead of thinking they should be heard.

It is sad that you cannot apply critical thinking to all their lies.

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I believe in vaccines. The biological principles behind them work. Vaccines have saved countless lives – both human and animal.  I’ve taken many myself. My children are vaccinated. But not all vaccines are effective and not all vaccines are safe. When anyone says that all vaccines are good or cancels discussion with an Obama phrase like “That’s settled science!” or “I trust the experts!” my fool detector starts screaming. People need to be wary of those like Gates who “go around just doing good”. Philanthropy is very often a smokescreen for evil intent and bad actions.

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Because for every kind of outlet that doctors and nurses have to speak about it, organizations, conferences, symposiums etc. All over the world the opinion is the same.

Are you suggesting Dr. Judy Mikovits would be allowed to speak at such a conference?

Antivaxxers are a problem to public health for their spreading of lies and misinformation that produces unnecessary worries in parents well intentioned.

I am sure there are countless parents of children that were paralyzed or killed by vaccines who are angry that they had not heard those censored “antivaxxers.”

Also, thinking that all the money that funds research in a global scale is invested into fooling the professionals that actually use it and can easily notice if they are lies, only to get a profit that not even reaches the amount spent is even more irrational.

It’s not that their goal is to lie just for the sake of lying and causing harm. They are just trying to cover their butts, to prevent everyone from realizing the harm that these experts have done, worried about the cost of reparations they would have to pay. That is why they have gone so hard against Dr. Judy Mikovits, she demonstrated that vaccines are contaminated. Many researchers know that if they say certain things, they will have problems getting their work published or getting any funding. I have heard a number of retired researchers and doctors saying that they can now finally speak freely.

When anyone says that all vaccines are good or cancels discussion with an Obama phrase like “That’s settled science!” or “I trust the experts!” my fool detector starts screaming.

Very well said. Mine has been screaming so loud for a while; I’m going deaf…

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Are you suggesting Dr. Judy Mikovits would be allowed to speak at such a conference?

No, I am suggesting that a proven liar for personal profit and postulant of antiscientific ideas that are easy to demonstrate mistaken should not be given a forum to poison knowledge with her lies.

But every body else, the real professionals that deal with science and medicine all the time DO speak on every of those events, and they all are against antivaxxers. Again believing a few powerful people can manipulate every of those events all over the world requires magical thinking and not being able to recognize the difference between fantasy and reality.

Why do you think is so easy to demonstrate that the only people defending the cult-like beliefs of antivaxxers are all terrible liars and lousy scientists independently of their beliefs? do the conspiracy also manipulate them to do things only badly? of course not, the simple answer is that bad scientist and professionals cannot make good science so they don't have other means for profiting than trying to fool normal people with lies that cannot fool professionals.

I am sure there are countless parents of children that were paralyzed or killed by vaccines who are angry that they had not heard those censored “antivaxxers.”

Not as much as those that actually are killed and maimed by the actual infections that are a much higher risk and for which you refused to accept responsability, even after several of the arguments you used to defend antivaxxers were demonstrated as false. Once again, vaccines are much less risky than the infections, that is a fact.

t’s not that their goal is to lie just for the sake of lying and causing harm. They are just trying to cover their butts, to prevent everyone from realizing the harm that these experts have done, worried about the cost of reparations they would have to pay.

And that is why they keep vaccinating their own children right? because it makes sense that a perfectly normal person would choose to put their children at a huge risk only to prevent paying reparations?

No, that is still nonsense and something only a sociopath could be able to believe. That means that for you that is a rational thing, something you are willing to do and that is why you believe literally millions of professionals all over the world would do it.

That is why they have gone so hard against Dr. Judy Mikovits, she demonstrated that vaccines are contaminated. 

No, people go against bad scientists all the time when it is discovered they willingly falsify scientific data to protect a failure of a career. She only demonstrated she could not do a proper scientific job first, making huge mistakes that a student would not do, and later that she was willing to lie to cover those mistakes trying to blame other people about their bad actions.

Many researchers know that if they say certain things, they will have problems getting their work published or getting any funding. I have heard a number of retired researchers and doctors saying that they can now finally speak freely.

Yeah yeah, nameless trillions of doctors that only you can hear. That supposedly support the horrible mistakes you believe. But why then you only present the baseless opinion of known liars? how come you cannot find any support on real scientist that are not proven liars? maybe the doctors you say you hear are not even real.

And again, thinking that researcher would keep vaccinating their own children just to save their funding is illogical, something that nobody sane could believe.

Very well said. Mine has been screaming so loud for a while; I’m going deaf…

You are the same case only in the opposite, saying that science is never to be trusted when it supports the vaccine because a magical organization with infinite money pays every scientist and doctor to pretend nothing is wrong. Saying vaccines are the only perfect thing that humanity has produced is wrong, but even worse is being in your position, that no vaccine is ever good, and that no science should be trusted if it does not support your personal beliefs.

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