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Would you recommend that people get a flu shot before the onset of winter?

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yes.

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No, I've never had it and I don't see the point. I've also read it doesn't guarantee immunity and there are potential side effects. Plus it's a massive hassle.

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Every time before you get the shot they make you fill out a massive form in Japanese. Why can't they keep that in a database? As a matter of fact, why can't all doctors stop using those thousands of folders?

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I stopped getting them at my office a few years ago after getting the shot and falling in to 10 days of flu-like misery.

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No, I've never had it and I don't see the point. 

Not catching or transmitting flu is the point. It is better to not have the flu than to have the flu. And it is better to not transmit the flu than to transmit the flu.

I've also read it doesn't guarantee immunity and there are potential side effects. 

Strictly speaking, no vaccine guarantees immunity, and there are potential side effects from any vaccine. There are also potential side effects from any medicine; for a medicine to have an effect, which is the purpose of all medicine, there is always the potential for a side effect - which is defined as any effect other than that for which the medicine was prescribed/intended. Likewise, food and drink can have effects that if they were medicine, and regulated as such, would be listed as side effects. The list of side effects for peanuts would be a long one.

For a medicine to have no side effects, it would also have to have no therapeutic effect. Basically, that's the realm of quack medicine, which consists of substances that most certainly can have side effects, including dangerous and fatal ones (supplements, Chinese herbs) but don't work as claimed in any case; and substances which could be said to have no side effects, such as homeopathic preparations, which are simply water, or sugar pills in which water is claimed to be the active ingredient.

@Reckless

I stopped getting them at my office a few years ago after getting the shot and falling in to 10 days of flu-like misery.

The flu vaccine contains inactivated/killed virus. It can't give you a flu-like illness or any other illness for 10 days.

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The flu vaccine contains inactivated/killed virus. It can't give you a flu-like illness or any other illness for 10 days.

Yes, I know that. However, I know my personal experience better. I probably did not get the flu from that shot, but it does affect the immune system in other ways, and for me if made me get sick by weakening immunity to another virus perhaps.

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Annual flu vaccines are guesses about which variant will become the most common that season. While their guessing is always getting a little better, many times it is completely wrong and provides ZERO protection.

If you are in a group where getting the flu is more dangerous - very old or very young, then the vaccine makes sense. If you work around teens and younger kids, getting the shot makes much more sense, because they seem to always find a way to get sick and pass it on.

As a normal adult, just recognize the symptoms and stay home if you get hit.

I've gotten a flu shot once the last 30 yrs. I suppose it worked. I haven't had the flu since college and think I've had it only about 5 times in my life.

The best preventative for normal people is to correctly wash their hands with soap every few hours, in addition to before meals and after visiting the toilet.

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Absolutely not. In fact, nearly everyone I know who catches the flu every year (or some years, at least), has had the shot. They laugh it off and say the symptoms were weakened thanks to the shot, but the fact remains, I sit there, not having contracted it and not getting the shot, asking them, who have the flu, if they got the shot, and they say yes. It weakens your natural immunity, and the rampant abuse of it has made viruses stronger. I think an exception might be the elderly, if weak to the point where the flu might cause serious bodily damage or death.

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I probably did not get the flu from that shot

It's not probably. You didn't. The vaccine cannot transmit or generate influenza.

Incidentally, the flu vaccine is far from perfect in terms of conferring immunity; and very variable from year to year. What immunity it does give takes can take two to three weeks to develop. You can certainly become ill between the shot and the development of immunity. (Wonder if that's brought up a new memory that you didn't get ill immediately after the shot.)

@smithinjapan

It weakens your natural immunity, and the rampant abuse of it has made viruses stronger.

Completely incorrect.

I think an exception might be the elderly

In other words, you have no clue what you're talking about, but you'll just speculate anyway.

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many times it is completely wrong and provides ZERO protection

There is no year in which it provides zero protection.

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Yes, herd immunity if no other reason, believe me if you have influenza rather than a heavy cold you will know it and you will not be at work, and nor should you be as you will infect others. Washing your hands is always good but it won’t of its self prevent infection as coughs and sneezes will spread it from others.

Smith, repeated annual inoculation does not and can not strengthen the virus or weaken your immune system, quite the reverse. You need to do some proper reading on how it works, you obviously have a misunderstanding as to its function and effect.

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i understand what some people are trying to say here, for example @Reckless i know what you mean. and to the “doctor in the room”: @wipeout, i have never ( i mean never ) had the flu in my life and i never had any shot, and at the same time i always hear stories of people catching the flu and they got a shot, so what that tells you. am i just really lucky or what. so generally speaking i would not recommend people to get a shot, they,re fine without it, except for people with more than 65, or in special cases for example if a person is living with a pregnant woman, etcetera.

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@wipeout, i have never ( i mean never ) had the flu in my life

Well great, but that's not how infectious disease works...

i always hear stories of people catching the flu and they got a shot

So you automatically believe them (gullible), assume that the juxtaposition of two things means that the one caused the other (fallacious) and use that as data and your justification for not needing a shot (illogical).

generally speaking i would not recommend people to get a shot, they,re fine without it

So you haven't troubled to inform yourself on the actual age group most likely to contract flu, have you? But despite that crucial gap in your understanding, you're dishing out complacent advice based on age. You're also erroneously stating that the unvaccinated will be"fine", despite the inescapable fact that flu can affect people of any age; flu is contracted by large numbers of people in every flu season; flu is a potentially (and for many people, an actually) fatal illness; flu symptoms can be distressing or damaging; flu can require absence, sometimes prolonged, from work or school; and that a person with flu who recovers and is fine can infect and harm multiple other people. Additionally, influenza outbreaks put a strain on health services. The more sufferers, the worse the problem.

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@wipeout doctor, what do you think of the fact that i never had the flu without any shot, if you could just say what does it tell you i,d be very much appreciated.

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what do you think of the fact that i never had the flu without any shot

I don't think anything at all of it. It's unremarkable. And as I said, that's not how infectious disease works.

wipeout doctor

Not a doctor, just someone who recognizes that human understanding has moved well beyond that of superstitious medieval peasants.

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So you automatically believe them (gullible), assume that the juxtaposition of two things means that the one caused the other (fallacious) and use that as data and your justification for not needing a shot (illogical).

i,m just saying that i,m always hearing stories of people getting sick after getting a shot, and people (like me) that never get a shot, they,re fine. i,m just saying that maybe, just maybe, people don,t really need it and doctors don,t need to talk about it like it,s the apocalypse. as for me, i,m still pretty young and healthy so i don,t need it for sure, i wanna keep myself clean for now if you don,t mind.

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@wipeout

ok fair enough .

Not a doctor,

... just messing with you "doc" ... appreciate your answers...

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No. I am one of those lucky so-and-so's who do not get the flu. On the other hand, am working my through a mild winter cold even as we speak.

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human understanding has moved well beyond that of superstitious medieval peasants.

Somehow I feel you are speaking to me...

I am vaccinated slowly and surely on my packed commuter train every morning beginning from October until February. I get every conceivable strain of norovirus, cold, flu, ebola, gonorrhea, and plague virus hacked into my face, on my hands and into my eyes, but as they say whatever does not kill you makes you stronger,,,

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Somehow I feel you are speaking to me...

Not specifically. To anyone who happens to believe that "let's see who lives and who dies" is a better approach to infectious diseases than vaccination.

as they say whatever does not kill you makes you stronger

That's a bingo.

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If you think you need it, get it.

While we are not actively encouraged to get it, It is offered at my place of work. I have never had the vaccine, and can't remember the last time I had flu, if ever.

I get signs of a cold once or twice a year - often during seasonal changes, when coolers and heating systems are being turned on for the first time in ages and haven't been cleaned properly - and have always managed to beat it back with mega-doses of oregano oil, garlic, and occasionally Lemsip. I try to keep my immune system strong.

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