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10% suffer COVID-19 aftereffects 1 year after discharge from hospital: survey

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The biggest worry is not the long term effects, which usually go eventually, but that people will ignore signs of more serious things because they will think it's because of COVID.

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But it's only the flu....

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So only people in those high-risk groups benefit from the vaccine. For others the vaccine is riskier than the disease itself.

Should be easy even for you to check that.

How many vaccinations worldwide, how many covid cases?

How many died and suffering from covid now?

How many died and suffering from the vaccinations?

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Nice and interesting study but the article leaves out many facts important for drawing any conclusions:

1) how many of the people in the study were vaccinated?

2) age distribution of the people and the people who suffered long term effects

If someone can read the original study we want to know.

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This means it is rational to think Omicron would not be different. Blindly assuming this is not the case would make it as valid to say it causes more long term effects than the opposite.

First, I was only pointing that the study does not include Omicron.

Second, and as far as Omicron is concerned, as some symptoms are différents such as the loss of taste or smell rather rare, that the virus affects the upper tract and not much the lungs as it was with alpha and delta, I can assume the long terme effects will be different too, decreasing with less severity.

Now, I am quite sure that diligent scientists would assume in the first place that short and long term effects are similar, then, as data are increasing, do not blindly stick with their thinking and assume the opposite is also true.

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Less than 5% of individuals ever go to the hospital from (not with) Covid and 10% of that develops long covid. While I am sure its not fun this is not a reason to prolong this ongoing fearmongering. I hope all patients get better but its time to move on.

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Clearly you didn't follow any of the links to the studies.

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Steven MccarthyToday  11:20 am JST

Junk science Lacroix ….. a long fact free article full of unscientific opinions…. That was peer reviewed by no one with any sense of credibility…

Did you even look? You've been a pusher of the disgraced and discredited lockdowns for ages now. There's no need to take you seriously.

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MeiyouwentiToday  07:37 am JST

I’d also like to know what percentage of the vaccinated are suffering from debilitating side effects.

Monitoring and research into COVID vaccine side effects are constant and through in most nations worldwide. Search online if you are concerned. I would remind you that any side effects of COVID vaccines are many times less significant than COVID effects short and long term.

This is no secret to those who care to pay attention to the statistics and facts from reputable sources.

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Junk science Lacroix ….. a long fact free article full of unscientific opinions…. That was peer reviewed by no one with any sense of credibility….

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However, I know of at least 15 people who have died from COVID and 4 people who suffer from Long COVID, all were unvaccinated.

Did those people die before the vaccines became available? Same with long covid? I'm not denying that the vaccines can reduce the severity of the disease, but they also carry risks, many of them severe and being revealed as Pfizer is being forced to show under court-ordered release. Not everyone who gets these vaccines will suffer adverse effects, but most people who're exposed to SARS-CoV-2 won't get seriously ill either, and the illness and death is highly stratified for age and comorbidities. So only people in those high-risk groups benefit from the vaccine. For others the vaccine is riskier than the disease itself.

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I’d also like to know what percentage of the vaccinated are suffering from debilitating side effects.

I am fully vaccinated with two boosters (all Moderna) here in Japan. I do not suffer from any debilitating side effects.

Of all of my friends who are fully vaccinated with boosters and I have many, none have suffered from any debilitating side effects.

However, I know of at least 15 people who have died from COVID and 4 people who suffer from Long COVID, all were unvaccinated.

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This article is evidence that infection with SARS-CoV-2 results in 10% of long term effects,

You know very well that is incorrect, since you later wrote:

The percentage is from the people that required hospitalization not from all the infected.

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Virusrex and Steven, just read this and follow the links.

https://thefreethinker.substack.com/p/why-i-dont-want-your-shot-updated?r=qit6v&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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What cheap ? Safe ? Effective? Therapeutics were people denied ? I’m not aware of any… please enlighten us.

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Steven MccarthyToday  10:44 am JST

Perhaps they should survey the millions of symptomatic people who weren’t admitted to a hospital and instead sent off to some hotel …. Or worse …. Home to recover or die…..

You mean the ones they denied cheap, safe and effective treatments to? It's tantamount to murder.

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Personally, I calculate my models with a 90% rate, which includes the named 10% here who develop manifesting symptoms and suffer AND those who have still no symptoms and suffering NOW , but of course will develop it all if ever reaching their higher age groups or a state of body constitution that makes those symptoms visible one day.

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Perhaps they should survey the millions of symptomatic people who weren’t admitted to a hospital and instead sent off to some hotel …. Or worse …. Home to recover or die…..

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Only 693 people are covered and it does not mention what age group these are in. How can I take the result seriously?

The original report obviously have much more data but in the mhlw page it is not yet uploaded (it appears it will be done on the 10th?)

https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/covid-19/kokunainohasseijoukyou.html#h2_1

Still, the previous report about the topic shares a lot of the information and details of the report of this article so it can be used to make valid assumptions.

https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/10900000/000798853.pdf

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Clearly the only solution to this story is immediate total lockdown along the lines of China to stop COVID ( although the success of this strategy is not even assured);. However unfortunately for the proponents of this option the government of Japan is not going to do this ( or anything other than restrict foreign tourists) so like so many other diseases in the world we just have to live with it.

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Most of the long covid cases could have been prevented if governments hadn't banned the cheap, safe and effective treatments.

No such thing has happened, anything that works is being used, including extremely cheap drugs like dexamethasone. What is not being used are drugs that have been demonstrated as useless for COVID such as HCQ and Ivermectin, because they do not bring any benefit and instead only increase the risk for the patients because of their toxicity.

Instead, they allowed people to suffer needlessly and then essentially mandated vaccination with products of doubtful safety and efficacy.

This is also completely false, vaccination is not mandated (at least not above previous vaccines for health care personnel) and the vaccines have well proven safety and efficacy that have saved uncountable lives and also prevent hospitalizations and complications of the patients.

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Most of the long covid cases could have been prevented if governments hadn't banned the cheap, safe and effective treatments. Instead, they allowed people to suffer needlessly and then essentially mandated vaccination with products of doubtful safety and efficacy.

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Insurance companies in the U.S. have noted a huge jump in excess deaths among millenials, beginning last year.

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Only 693 people are covered and it does not mention what age group these are in. How can I take the result seriously?

Sure it's a small sample size, but there is evidence that long-covid exists in a handful of people. Surely these studies will ramp up in time and we will be able to collect more data from them.

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Only 693 people are covered and it does not mention what age group these are in. How can I take the result seriously?

Why not?

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The survey covered 693 people with moderate or severe COVID-19 symptoms who were admitted to hospitals between September 2020 and July 2021.

Only 693 people are covered and it does not mention what age group these are in. How can I take the result seriously?

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One year after.... so they must have been infected with a more deadly delta (but they survive!) or previous covid variants, not with Omicron groups which are now dominant.

The percentage is from the people that required hospitalization not from all the infected. That would mean that even if Omicron produces a milder disease less people would need to be admitted to the hospital, but from those that are admitted the percentage with long term problems can be the same unless a reason to think differently is identified.

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So it must be different is some way.

It is different in very significant ways, with end effects less severe symptoms and less lethal.

Infected less likely to develop symptoms that needed hospitalizations. Shorter recovery period.

Reported to be largely confined to upper respiratory tract and affected a narrower spectrum of bodily organs.

Doesn't have same effects after a few days, why expect same effects after a year?

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The survey covered 693 people with moderate or severe COVID-19 symptoms who were admitted to hospitals between September 2020 and July 2021.

Can their cases be generalized? How about their age and other health-related backgrounds?

Individuals who continued to consult medical facilities about symptoms that appeared to be aftereffects one year after being discharged stood at 9.8 percent.

One year after.... so they must have been infected with a more deadly delta (but they survive!) or previous covid variants, not with Omicron groups which are now dominant.

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How about lingering dizziness? I heard that is quite common.

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@didou

My guess would be that Omicron isn't included in the data of people who suffer aftereffects after 1 year as Omicron has been around for a bit more than 6 months.

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This does not encompass Omicron

Would be difficult.

Omicron first case was reported Nov 2021

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The vaccine doesn't stop infection at all though. Why is 'live the healthiest lifestyle possible' always absent from advice?

The vaccines DO stop infections and transmission according to the best available data, if you refuse to accept this you are free to do it, but saying something that can be easily debunked is not valid, because it can mislead people that want to follow the rational course of action instead.

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Do you have any data that can show that with Omicron, 10% do suffer long term effect after 1 year

This article is evidence that infection with SARS-CoV-2 results in 10% of long term effects, without any difference reported between strains. This means it is rational to think Omicron would not be different. Blindly assuming this is not the case would make it as valid to say it causes more long term effects than the opposite.

Once you have evidence pointing towards a trend being observed on several examples you need further evidence one particular example is the exception. Not having this evidence makes it more likely to be included as a default than to baselessly claim it is an exception.

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There is no reason to think it is different, if you have data that support that conclusion you can present it.

No loss of taste or smell with Omicron.

Do you have any data that can show that with Omicron, 10% do suffer long term effect after 1 year. For sure no, because it has only been six months, but I have not heard of any studies related to Omicron effect after a few months.

So it must be different is some way.

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"It is important to avoid infection," Yokoyama, a professor in Kochi University's Department of Respiratory Medicine and Allergology, said, urging people to get vaccinated and follow safety measures.

The vaccine doesn't stop infection at all though. Why is 'live the healthiest lifestyle possible' always absent from advice?

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How many of those admitted to hospital were vaccinated?

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Did anyone else notice how age stratification is curiously absent from this data?

Lots of things are absent from media reports of scientific surveys, not all details make it into the articles, if you are interested in them you can consult the original study.

This does not encompass Omicron

There is no reason to think it is different, if you have data that support that conclusion you can present it.

I’d also like to know what percentage of the vaccinated are suffering from debilitating side effects.

From the vaccines? a tiny fraction, several order of magnitude lower than the infection.

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-can-covid-vaccines-lead-to-long-term-health-problems/a-59667465

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I’d also like to know what percentage of the vaccinated are suffering from debilitating side effects.

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This does not encompass Omicron

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