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But it is unclear whether such ambitions will come to fruition before the international gathering amid deep-rooted opposition among conservative LDP members who cherish traditional family value

Seriously? What they may "cherish" and the reality is so freaking different that these "conservatives" have their heads in the sand.

Family Values! Right, just how many single parents are there? How many kids in orphanages? How many families living in poverty? Increase in domestic violence cases, increase in child abuse.

Nothing is "unclear", it's sadly very clear, the LDP, because they hold majorities in both houses, are not going to do crap. It's not an issue, and until the people stand up and make it one, the LDP isnt going to do guano!

(Oh and sadly too, the people dont care either it seems, and trying to push this on them from "overseas" is not going to get a positive response. )

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It seems that Japan objects to taking the 'medicine' that her friends and partners in the West prescribe. The concept of national sovereignty is a myth.

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Just protect individual human rights and never give one person more rights than another.

Great ideal to strive for, yet sadly in today's world the reality is far different.

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The concept of national sovereignty is a myth.

How is a call for a country to be congruent with their own position infringes on national sovereignty?

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How is a call for a country to be congruent with their own position infringes on national sovereignty?

So, by your definition and logic, Japan, in return, has the right to call on these countries to eat whale meat. Do you see where this is going?

I get the feeling you misunderstand the meaning of "national sovereignty" and how it applies here, in this case.

The basis of freedom, equality and justice is national sovereignty.  National will and national determination do not only consist of the ideas of an individual but is a combination of the will of all the individuals of the nation

The argument could be made, based upon this definition of "national sovereignty" that it does infringe on Japan's right to determine what is right for the people of Japan. The people of Japan, do not see this as a majority issue.

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“His ruling Liberal Democratic Party's executive committee plans to submit a bill to parliament aimed at introducing legislation to promote understanding of the LGBT community”

What does this mean??? To ‘promote understanding’? Doesn’t sound very concrete to me.

Just clarify the anti-discrimination law (if there is one) to include race, gender, political affiliation, sexual orientation and religion.

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End discrimination if it exists but drop the T, "Trans" people are just that. They can believe they are whatever THEY want to be but the rest of us are NOT obliged to go along.

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What Japan should do is to just ignore the video messages from the 15 countries those envoys represent and politely tell them to mind their own business and put their houses in order before taking the moral high ground and interfering in another country’s internal affairs.

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All citizens should have equal rights in a democracy.

"Equality is so important because it preserves the “dignity” of an individual. Dignity means self-respect and the respect an individual deserves from others for being a fellow human being. It is an essential and basic human right."

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“It seems that Japan objects to taking the 'medicine' that her friends and partners in the West prescribe. “

A medicine for one person is often a poison for another. You shouldn’t force it down their throat just because it works for you.

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@ Thuban

They're called civil rights. Look it up. No difference. Or should we go back to segregation based on the color of our skin or apartheid in South Africa?

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take concrete action toward protecting LGBT rights 

Japanese LGBT community memebers are already protected like all Japanese citizens under the laws and the constitution.

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There are many rights the LGBT community does not have, like same-sex marriage, inheritance, medical decisions for a partner and not being able to be a side of a hospital bed when their partner is dying.

Anti-LGBT will always try and twist the facts like saying all citizens can marry but they can't marry the one they want to.

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So, by your definition and logic, Japan, in return, has the right to call on these countries to eat whale meat. Do you see where this is going?

How many of those countries have made their position that consuming whale meat is desirable? the whole point is that if a country says something is good/desirable/positive/etc. there is no problem with calling them to demonstrate that position. Nobody is forcing them to say anything in the first place.

I get the feeling you misunderstand the meaning of "national sovereignty" and how it applies here, in this case.

Your example is about imposing what one country says is good onto another that have never said such a thing. Mine is about calling them to actually do what they said is their position.

Japanese LGBT community memebers are already protected like all Japanese citizens under the laws and the constitution.

Their rights are not according to them, you have not refuted any of the arguments the community used for their complains.

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Mr KiplingToday 08:40 am JST

End discrimination if it exists but drop the T, "Trans" people are just that. They can believe they are whatever THEY want to be but the rest of us are NOT obliged to go along.

Gender dysphoria is real and is listed in medical textbooks. Transitioning is one way to ease symptoms and is recognized by all major psychiatric associations. You don't personally have to accept anything, but not doing so clearly demonstrates prejudice; and calls for discrimination to continue clearly shows bigotry.

Huh. Funny, but I feel like I've pointed this out to you before.

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CPTOMOToday 08:54 am JST

Japanese LGBT community memebers are already protected like all Japanese citizens under the laws and the constitution.

Clearly, this is false.

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What is this mythical cultural position that just seems to align with the old dinosaurs? They are not upholders of some unchanging God-given culture at all. They will use anything at hand to support their prejudices and superficial identity, whether "culture", human rights, public opinion or whatever when it suits them. It's not the whole story here but two-thirds of voters support making same-sex marriage legal so, given that Japan is allegedly a democracy, it might be time to listen to the people and make that a pillar of that democracy. Otherwise, give up the pretence.

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Japan is the only G7 country not to allow same-sex marriage. Media polls have shown that public opinion has shifted toward accepting same-sex marriage.

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girl_in_tokyoToday  09:12 am JST

Clearly, this is false.

Can you cite a law or any part of the constitution that expresses rights of Japanese citizens differ?

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Can you cite a law or any part of the constitution that expresses rights of Japanese citizens differ?

Same-sex marriage. A Japanese with a LGBT partner married to a foreigner in another country can not get recognition for the marriage and the foreign spouse cannot obtain a spouse visa to live and work in the country.

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Same-sex marriage. A Japanese with a LGBT partner married to a foreigner in another country can not get recognition for the marriage and the foreign spouse cannot obtain a spouse visa to live and work in the country.

No, because under the laws of Japan its male and female citizens can marry each other. In your example, the foreigner is not a Japanese citizen.

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There are strong movements in Japan, calling for and supporting same-sex marriage. It will happen. Will you leave then?

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There are strong movements in Japan, calling for and supporting same-sex marriage. It will happen. Will you leave then?

It hasn't happened.

People are free to be whatever they want to be in Japan.

People can be conservative one day, and liberal another day. No law prevents that.

But someone who is 17 years old and is seen by others as being more mature, and actually feels older than he or she is, cannot legally be deemed 18 years old.

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From Stanford Uni

Most Japanese Support Same-Sex Marriage, New Public Opinion Survey Finds

https://aparc.fsi.stanford.edu/news/most-japanese-support-same-sex-marriage-new-public-opinion-survey-finds

Most Japanese favour recognising same-sex marriage - survey

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/most-japanese-favour-recognising-same-sex-marriage-survey-2023-02-13/

In the end, the Japanese will decide.

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How many of those countries have made their position that consuming whale meat is desirable?

The point went sailing right over your head. But you did get one thing it seems, and I am quite sure it wasnt your intent though.

Exactly! Japan's leadership doesnt find making LGBT rights a desirable issue at this point in time, so why do you and other countries insist on pushing on the Japanese people!

Oh and please, stop with mixing quotes from other posters, makes it look like I wrote something that I didnt.

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There are strong movements in Japan, calling for and supporting same-sex marriage

Where? This issue hardly even makes the national news. If it were such a "strong movement" as you assume, one would expect it to be discussed on the daily talking heads shows, the sunday news forums, in the print media and most importantly being brought up in the Diet sessions and talked about by the PM's office.

Your idea of "strong" must mean to you to be "silent"

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But someone who is 17 years old and is seen by others as being more mature, and actually feels older than he or she is, cannot legally be deemed 18 years old.

But a 17-year-old can marry, as a 16-year-old can, with parental approval, but no one from the LGBT community, regardless of age can marry their partner of choice.

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CPTOMO

   In the end, the Japanese will decide.

> They've decided.

No, they have not. The government will eventually make the changes. Will you leave then?

   Eating whales is not a human or civil right, it's one of personal choice.

> It's legal in Japan.

Smoking tobacco is also legal but that and eating whale meat are not civil or human rights.

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What ol' Jack Burton always saysToday 11:06 am JS

Some not all LGBT can reproduce.

Some not all heterosexuals can or do reproduce.

Not traditional family values as what is being protected by Japanese laws

Traditions are not meant to last. Most die out, because we come to realize they were worthless at best, and often harmful.

The LDP is focused on majority not minority.

It is up to the big guy to protect the little guy. That is the point.

The government has much more important issues to deal with right now than LGBT

The government (and everyone else) can care about and work on more than one issue at a time.

It appears to me the only people pushing the LGBT issues are either foreigners or Japanese that have lived abroad.

Wrong. Latest polls indicate 70% of all Japanese are in favor of same-sex marriage rights.

Personally i just don't care

Obviously you do, or else you wouldn't be posting about it.

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Marriage is a human and civil right. It also means many other points in a legally caring relationship.

When a pensioner dies, his/her survivor can claim for unpaid pension for the deceased person.

https://kobelp.com/en/survivor-pensions

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Marriage is a human and civil right. It also means many other points in a legally caring relationship.

And in Japan marriage is legal.

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In Japan, currently, only people of the opposite sex can marry but the day will come when there will be same-sex marriages just like in all the other G7 countries.

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