33 changed gender in Japan without surgery after 2023 court ruling

So a man with a Willy can be called a woman now. This is the future Orwell warned us about, reality goes in the dustbin while people believe anything the man in the screen tells them repeatedly day after day after day.

Banthu

Saying that scientific fact soon will be called a thought/hate crime and could risk imprisonment. Mark my words the world is going utterly bonkers.

BanthuToday 06:37 am JST

33 changed gender

You can't change gender any more than you can change species.

A man can never become a woman.

But they can change what you will call them because you can be fooled.

The shape of the pelvis is different and an x-ray and even a computer analysis of your gait will prove which of the two scientifically recognized biological genders you are.

Look closely at the list of primary sex characteristics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_characteristics

Since "hips" isn't in the primary, it is totally changeable with the right intervention.

If you carry the Y chromosome, you are male.

So the XYs with severe androgen insensitivity syndrome and female genitals go in the men's restroom? Not sure they are going along with that.

i think

they need to be in care of some...specialist.

Taiwan

Even with puberty blockers biological sex is 100% easy to identify. Puberty blockers cannot change the bone structure in a manner that could cause confusion, nor can any surgery.

falseflagsteveToday 07:07 am JST

Taiwan

Even with puberty blockers biological sex is 100% easy to identify. Puberty blockers cannot change the bone structure in a manner that could cause confusion, nor can any surgery.

Did you look at the link as to where bone structure falls primary/secondary?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_characteristics

To be honest I do think it should be known that they are trans male or trans female not just male or female. It cause more confusion if you have to ask people if they are actually a woman or actually a man. I understand that people are violent and bully people who are doing that sort of thing but in a world like this where its already hard enough to trust people for their words I can see things taking a bad turn unless there is more of a compromise

Taiwan

No the bone structure is easily identified, especially the hips, the jaw and other parts of the skull. The density of the bones will also easily reveal the biological sex. That’s how sex is identified from remains from thousands of years ago.

falseflagsteveToday 08:14 am JST

Taiwan

No the bone structure is easily identified, especially the hips, the jaw and other parts of the skull. The density of the bones will also easily reveal the biological sex. That’s how sex is identified from remains from thousands of years ago.

Did you read the article on secondary sex characteristics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_characteristics

development of "triangular" body form

Secondary sexual characteristics

And from a point of view as safety I feel like more needs to be done if some changes are like its basically saying all bathrooms, locker rooms and hot springs are unisex. People can keep their privacy as to what their reasons are for changing their gender but I believe it should be known if someone changed their gender. I understand people have to throw away pre-judging someone who changed their gender so they don't get treated as harshly as they do but maybe it would be more acceptable if there is some sort of compromise from both sides

And that is part of the frustration for trans-women I agree, but that doesn't mean it is completely impossible for pre-pubescent male to pass as a female for the rest of her life.

To save that trans-woman grief and wasted time on someone who isn't attracted to someone who goes through that process it would benefit them more if being transparent was normalized. People can keep their sexuality hidden however they like but their birth gender shouldn't be hidden. in such a way. Some people are really old fashioned while some are open to change and trying new things. I just really don't agree with the mystery thing or saying trans women are the same as natural born women. I don't believe alterations through surgery or medicine should be considered the same because it also comes off as disrespectful towards woman in some ways

KenToday 08:25 am JST

Nobody is saying you have to marry a trans-woman. Just that you have to give them respect like everybody else.

I don't believe alterations through surgery or medicine should be considered the same because it also comes off as disrespectful towards woman in some ways

Nature created gender in this way, determined by hormones. Nothing we do can match that disrespect, if you will.

Taiwan

Gender is man made ideology, biological sex is how we are born and how we die whatever people say about it. That’s scientific fact.

falseflagsteveToday 08:36 am JST

Taiwan

Gender is man made ideology, biological sex is how we are born and how we die whatever people say about it. That’s scientific fact.

Everything that goes through your head when you assign someone a gender is based only on hormones that are well understood and manipulable. That's a scientific fact.

Nobody is saying you have to marry a trans-woman. Just that you have to give them respect like everybody else.

You can respect them while respecting women at the same time by accepting the differences and not being attracted to the one or the other, they are different because one changed to be a woman and the other was already born as a woman. I don't know or understand why they choose to make the changes they want but I feel like it partly goes with the way men treat women is what some transwomen want and they don't want thing like that to be more difficult to obtain. Women are always competing with other women so maybe transwomen know they are at a disadvantage when it comes to competing with natural born women

"" At least 33 individuals changed their legal gender in Japan without surgery this year since the Supreme Court ruled against a law requiring transgender people to remove their reproductive capabilities for such alteration, a survey by the top court showed Sunday. ""

It is hard to even imagine that such LAW even existed.

Japan still has a long way to go.

""So a man with a Willy can be called a woman now. This is the future Orwell warned us about, reality goes in the dustbin while people believe anything the man in the screen tells them repeatedly day after day after day.""

A man with or without his or her Willy can be called anything it doesn't really matter, you don't see it you don't feel it, LOL

The world won’t stop spinning, the sky won’t fall down, and people getting into a tiizz over a small group of people. And while every wants to focus on men. There are women who go the other way. I remember the whole culture wars about gay people being in the military and how the forces would seize to be able to fight, giving them married rights would cause marriage institutions to collapse, gay adoption would lead to child abuse, not to mention conflating paedophilia with homosexuality. Now that’s been settled in society and nothing happened some groups need an even smaller group to find fear in. fair points about sports and how women may feel uncomfortable about sharing a bathroom with someone transitioning but they were there, doing the same things in life, before the advent of Twitter, Facebook and the internet, blowing this up into a social culture war. Put this into some reasonable logical perspective. Women have more to fear from a heterosexual man, than any transgender. And do we notice this always revolves around “men” again.

men who transition. Nothing about women who transition. A bit like the homophobia about gay men, but lesbians were ok. I guess that ticked the heterosexual male ok box. And there are conditions (medical) where genetically and physically they are unclear from birth. But again, such a minority people can’t put this into rational perspective. I’ve never been attacked by any transgender, but I have been attacked by a heterosexual male. That’s the reality. 33 out of a population of 125 million. Oh my days. How will you get on with your day!

Mark my words the world is going utterly bonkers

Interesting,point,Steve.

You have very strong opinions on what you see as people pretending to be something they are not.

Very honest. Impressive.

WoodyLeeToday  09:31 am JST

""So a man with a Willy can be called a woman now. This is the future Orwell warned us about, reality goes in the dustbin while people believe anything the man in the screen tells them repeatedly day after day after day.""

A man with or without his or her Willy can be called anything it doesn't really matter, you don't see it you don't feel it, LOL

i hope you don’t mind but why your focus on men and Willy’s. Any comments or position on women who may be transgender and I.d as male? People have been doing this for centuries. But since the internet comes along everyone’s got an opinion and more fear. It didn’t bother anyone 10 years ago. (Probably around the time of social media explosion ) You were probably more scared of a gay man back then than any transgender. Think about it, does it, will it really have any meaning impact on your life?

But they can change what you will call them because you can be fooled.

Of course people can be fooled. No one denies that. Once I found out someone is not who they say they are, I don’t go on calling them by the incorrect name or label, etc. That’s rather illogical.

men who transition. Nothing about women who transition. A bit like the homophobia about gay men, but lesbians were ok. I guess that ticked the heterosexual male ok box. And there are conditions (medical) where genetically and physically they are unclear from birth. But again, such a minority people can’t put this into rational perspective. I’ve never been attacked by any transgender, but I have been attacked by a heterosexual male. That’s the reality. 33 out of a population of 125 million. Oh my days. How will you get on with your day!

I partially agree with you, it's just as men we know how dangerous other men can be and we have our natural instincts to want to protect women just as women as naturally nurturers most of the time. We don't understand men who transition to women but for some of us it feels uncomfortable like the thought of men trying to blend in with women. I don't feel the same lack of safety when it comes to women transitioning to men and it doesn't affect me negatively the same way as a man transitioning to a woman.

In fact and in science there exist only TWO genders

They’re not harming you, me or anyone else.

You said it yourself. Sports. Trans are hurting others.

And women’s privacy. And wasted public money on unnecessary health care.

Real harm.

KenToday  09:54 am JST

men who transition. Nothing about women who transition. A bit like the homophobia about gay men, but lesbians were ok. I guess that ticked the heterosexual male ok box. And there are conditions (medical) where genetically and physically they are unclear from birth. But again, such a minority people can’t put this into rational perspective. I’ve never been attacked by any transgender, but I have been attacked by a heterosexual male. That’s the reality. 33 out of a population of 125 million. Oh my days. How will you get on with your day!

I partially agree with you, it's just as men we know how dangerous other men can be and we have our natural instincts to want to protect women just as women as naturally nurturers most of the time. We don't understand men who transition to women but for some of us it feels uncomfortable like the thought of men trying to blend in with women. I don't feel the same lack of safety when it comes to women transitioning to men and it doesn't affect me negatively the same way as a man transitioning to a woman.

Well, in that case I agree but are we conflating two separate issues. Heterosexual men, who disguise themselves as women, or abuse the idea of transgenderism to meet their own heterosexual perverse needs.?

It kinda reminds me of the fear around homosexuality and peadophilia when they were supposed to abuse children when they were ignoring that people who have sex with children are paedophiles and not gay. If 99% of child abuse is caused by heterosexuals, it’s would be illogical to conflate the two. People aren’t scared of heterosexuals because a man abused a girl.

You put your finger on it we don’t understand men who” transition. I’m not gay but I don’t need to understand why, all I know is, they’re not harming anyone. Dear and uncomfortable are because we fear heterosexual men will use the idea of dressing up as a women to go into women’s toilets. I think more physically normal men cause more problems in female toilets than any transgender. Consider the heterosexual man who put hidden cameras in female toilets? Consider heterosexual men who’ve raped women in toilets? You’re probably in a male toilet standing next to gay man. And yet we don’t feel threatened or uncomfortable in anyway. We confuse true transgender men (and women who switch to male) with heterosexual men who want to use it as an excuse to get their kicks. But that’s an ultra small minority compared to the small trans community. I wonder does anyone feel uncomfortable when they go to see the ladyboy show? Probably not. Because it’s a source of heterosexual entertainment, fun, and freak show ish.

GahanToday  10:22 am JST

In fact and in science there exist only TWO genders

Im not going to get into the whole genetic thing. You can do your own research but it’s not your super simple school XX XY thing. We had all that only Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve thing decades ago.

On the left hand side there is female toilet and Gentlemen is on the right. So they go left or right?

Wouldn't it traumatize the kids?

BackpackingNepalToday  11:46 am JST

On the left hand side there is female toilet and Gentlemen is on the right. So they go left or right? 

Wouldn't it traumatize the kids?

and in the middle, there is the...............? A toilet anyone and everyone can use.

I think we are talking about how to allow people to live the life they want. Not your idea on ideology and A toilet and B toilet. Do you have anything constructive to help people live comfortably? The kids thing is also something we heard way back how this would corrupt kids, turn them into (add a certain group), and the truth is, history is littered with the "but the kids". comics, TV, didn't corrupt/traumatise kids, and being adopted by gay couples didn't confuse kids, being born to a gay parent didn't confuse anyone's kids. Being in a multiracial family didn't confuse any kids. I think we need to give kids/people more credit.

Now, let's say you're right. How can you improve their lives? It's easy to pick cultural and social battles, but how do you allow those people to live? Without being abused. mocked and brought down to the toilet level of discussion? Is it such an issue for you? We had the same issue about colour and toilets. LEFT toilet for white and right toilet for black! It's just political talking points that get to base and the country moved on. Sadlt some people haven't. And that's what it's really about: POLITICS! It's about letting people live the life they want. We've got one life, let them live it. Or find a workaround. USE the alternative toilets, use the mixed gender toilets. Problems solved.

Im not going to get into the whole genetic thing. You can do your own research but it’s not your super simple school XX XY thing. We had all that only Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve thing decades ago.

Funny thing is that both of those concepts support a binary system.

owzerToday 12:16 pm JST

Im not going to get into the whole genetic thing. You can do your own research but it’s not your super simple school XX XY thing. We had all that only Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve thing decades ago.

Funny thing is that both of those concepts support a binary system.

It also support unknown quite well. Nature isn't too good at mathematics.

OK. Well I am only going to say that every male on here was female in their mother womb. It wasn’t decided until the hormones kicked in. How else can you explain why every male here has two nipples? Because they had the possibility of becoming female. That’s a biological fact. You say skeletons I say nipples. While you wish to talk about this or that you ignore the point humans are not black and white. We have gay, we have straight, we have bi, we have….

but let’s say your right? How would you like society treat those people?

That’s the real question!

We have gay, we have straight, we have bi, we have….

Thats sexual orientation. Not sex/“gender”

owzerToday  02:26 pm JST

We have gay, we have straight, we have bi, we have….

Thats sexual orientation. Not sex/“gender”

Yes that’s right! Absolutely! I’m glad you can see the difference and we can agree on that. Because it doesn’t fall I to the nice boxes we thought we had had decades ago. So we have different social constructs. And maybe there are differences. Maybe if you met them, chatted with them, listened to them? Maybe, you and I might learn something (even if I disagree) and I might understand their lives better.

So thee question is, how would you improve their lives? How should society treat them? That’s what we’re should be discussing. Not the argument of what you believe.

What do you think we as a Society should do? How do you treat them? We treated gay people as criminals and castrated them not so long ago. We treated black people as lesser but we thought that was normal back then. Thankfully we’ve moved on and I don’t see any point in, discussing genetics.

I’ll concede all your points if you’re prepared to say, how society should treat them? how can they go to the bathroom so we are all comfortable ,and safe? how can they take part in sports? Can some sports be banned to trans While playing darts or pool be acceptable for trans?How can you respect those people?

@Abe234

The only thing for which I have no respect (regarding the topic at hand) is the demand by a few that others must accept them to be what they profess. Everything else falls in line.

As a man, I should stay out of women’s restrooms, changing rooms, sports, etc.

How should society treat them? The same as everyone else. That means no special treatment. They are no more or less special than the next person. Just as I don’t get to choose which restroom or changing room I want to use, so it is with everyone else.

Women’s sports are for women. Men’s sports are for men. This is to protect people who are not as strong as others and to give some semblance of fairness. Sports can be fair and fun only if and when an agreed upon set of rules is used. Some sports can be mixed men and women.

owzerToday 03:54 pm JST

Women’s sports are for women. Men’s sports are for men. This is to protect people who are not as strong as others and to give some semblance of fairness. Sports can be fair and fun only if and when an agreed upon set of rules is used. Some sports can be mixed men and women.

Some people will object to their 10 year old daughters having to be blood tested for sporting events, but if that is what people demand, that is what they should get.

owzerToday 03:54 pm JST

The only thing for which I have no respect (regarding the topic at hand) is the demand by a few that others must accept them to be what they profess. Everything else falls in line.

You demand people call you by your name and not some nickname they come up with, correct? Same thing with gender.

Why don't they have toilets labeled "Men, Women, Etc."?