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Japan aims to soon start...

That's all you need to read to confirm the ineptness of the people in charge here.

5 ( +28 / -23 )

100,000 detected new cases per day. Considering the amount of asymptomatic cases there are that number is likely 10 times as much. How has that affected ICUs? How lethal is the omicron strain? What are the ramifications of taking booster shots? Would it be more prudent to wait until all the data settles before the science is settled on that front? I'm on the fence vis a vis the booster shot.

-6 ( +18 / -24 )

Desperately trying to use up the old "vaccines" (based on original Wuhan strain) before the updated version becomes available.

-8 ( +23 / -31 )

pharma business sponsored my tax payers money.

nothing else just pure business.

2 ( +27 / -25 )

 Would it be more prudent to wait until all the data settles before the science is settled on that front?

No, it wouldn't be, but of course, feel free to make that choice, nobody is forcing you to do anything.

-2 ( +20 / -22 )

Japan aims to soon start providing 1 million booster shots per day"

This should have been happening 2 months ago....always late & behind the curve.

18 ( +35 / -17 )

to stem a new wave of infections spurred by the highly transmissible Omicron variant of the coronavirus,

How? The booster doesn’t prevent transmission of COVID.

-1 ( +28 / -29 )

Japan aims to soon start...

That's all you need to read to confirm the ineptness of the people in charge here.

exactly

This should have been happening 2 months ago....always late & behind the curve.

well said brother!

0 ( +22 / -22 )

Haven't had my first COVID shots yet !

-24 ( +15 / -39 )

Too late anyway, Omicron will have run it’s course soon enough. By the time a next possible wave happens the boosters will no longer be very effective,

Encourage weight loss, exercise, a healthy diet and increase vitamin D intake.

-18 ( +16 / -34 )

How? The booster doesn’t prevent transmission of COVID.

Yes it does,

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1

Desperately trying to use up the old "vaccines" (based on original Wuhan strain) before the updated version becomes available.

As long as people can be protected on time and unnecessary deaths are prevented this is nothing negative, irrationally rejecting something that can lower the current risk is what is not justified.

10 ( +33 / -23 )

Vitusrex.

Onky for the vulnerable, otherwise they are a waste of time for the healthy but excellent profits to be made. Hoping they don’t go potty here like the US and want to vaccinate babies of 6 months old.

Pfizers tests were flawed, they pressure governments and social media to block any criticism of them and have a long history of fraud and deception.

-14 ( +17 / -31 )

" feel free to make that choice" Of course, this goes without saying. At least it does in Japan

0 ( +10 / -10 )

It has been reported in the national news, at least a couple of weeks ago, that the government procured the Moderna vaccine for the third shot, but the majority of people who are eligible are turning it down because they received the Pfizer shot and do not trust getting the Moderna one.

People were interviewed on national TV and the people who they showed all stated their feeling uncomfortable about Moderna, because of the side effects that getting it vs Pfizer.

So the government can set up all the stations it wants, and say they are going to give 1,000,000 a day, but they are going to be hard pressed to find 1,000,000 a day, if their only option is Moderna!

12 ( +17 / -5 )

by the time this happens not only will the wave have peaked but it will back to minimal numbers. Get the shot if you so choose but don’t base any restrictions on the availability of it.

1 ( +11 / -10 )

Too late anyway, Omicron will have run it’s course soon enough. 

Inclined to agree - the omicron wave will have peaked and crashed before any significant booster rollout - but maybe it'll get some of those who revel in panic to calm down somewhat and we can have another few months of deserved peace before they emerge from the woodwork again.

7 ( +16 / -9 )

Klausdorth

You fail to understand the evidence and the science. Weight loss, healthy diet, exercise and vitamin D will reduce you chances of severe symptoms every day. The vaccines and boosters wane in effectiveness fast.

One size fits all solutions don’t and never have worked.

-11 ( +15 / -26 )

My wife and I got our boosters on Sunday in Shinjuku. Six months after our last shot. It was efficient. They gave us a choice of Pfizer or Moderna. We stayed with the Pfizer. But, there could be some benefits to mixing vaccines.

5 ( +17 / -12 )

One size fits all solutions don’t and never have worked.

I am glad that the overwhelming majority of people have not taken your advice along the way here.

Just imagine how many millions upon millions more would have died.

1 ( +14 / -13 )

And as always, getting vaxed at least reduces your risk of more serious effects and helps protect those around you.

Just like the flu vaccine! And hopefully we are coming to a point in time, where covid has or will become the same.

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

Boost away till you turn blue in the face, I haven't even had the 1st one and I won't ever be having it, neither will my loved ones. And there is nothing you can do about that.

-18 ( +13 / -31 )

Boost away till you turn blue in the face, I haven't even had the 1st one and I won't ever be having it, neither will my loved ones. And there is nothing you can do about that.

Enjoy your hermit life! Feel sorry for the "loved one's" here as it seems you are dictating their lives and choices and probably brainwashed them along the way as well.

You and they will surely not be travelling anywhere soon!

2 ( +17 / -15 )

Marty! Somehow we're back in 2021!!

Great Scott!

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Bit late for that ain’t it?

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Considering the amount of asymptomatic cases there are 

Not only asymptomatic cases, but symptomatic people that aren't rushing to the hospital to get tested or just to see a doctor. Do people in Japan normally rush to a doctor every time they get the sniffles? I wouldn't expect people with a highly infectious disease to jump on the train. However, the paranoia in this country is extreme so it wouldn't surprise me.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Poor virusrex!

You now have to bring a study done on Delta 6 months ago on the delta strain to justify what is now obvious.

Forget any studies and look at the numbers... That should speak volumes on the effectiveness of such medical experimental concoction.

In my office, a colleague 4 time vaccinated got it pretty bad, 2 weeks sick a dog.

3 ( +18 / -15 )

Look out Christine cotton for the french speaker, she is a biostatistician. She went through the ptizer clinical trial documents in details and all sort of twists and tricks they used to come up with their efficacy rate

-3 ( +11 / -14 )

Well, I received my appointment for the 3rd shot for the April 8th, ready and willing!!! :-)

1 ( +11 / -10 )

Do people in Japan normally rush to a doctor every time they get the sniffles? 

Actually yes they do! Self medicating is not the norm here. It's cheaper, by far, to go to a doctor than buy any over the counter medications.

9 ( +15 / -6 )

In other words, they don't really want to jab more people because Omicron is hardly a health threat, but they have to give the impression that they're pushing it.

-6 ( +7 / -13 )

"By setting a clear goal, the government as a whole will work to deliver shots to those who hope to be vaccinated as soon as possible," Kishida said at a parliamentary

What goals need to be set exactly? Why does it always have to be a goddamn repetitive song and dance with these incompetent fools? Just set up the damn vaccination sites in all neighborhoods and let people walk up to get their jabs. By the time they've set these useless goals and kickstarted the campaigns, the Omicron wave will have passed.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

I got boosted last Friday.

omicron will be different for different people, one friend unvaccinated got it, his mom got it and is still hospitalized after three weeks.

while he recovered after 4 days, he has ED now.

Other friend vaccinated got it and felt like crap for two weeks but is better now but now also has ED.

just boost it!

-1 ( +10 / -11 )

In the meantime, with infections in children leading the surge , perhaps it’s time for the adults in the room to start acting like responsible adults and just start to care . Kishida-san needs to get the jgov together, change the out dated rules and implement and enforce a hard lockdown. We’ve never even come close to it here and there’s no comparison to any other country. In Japan, omicron IS as deadly as any other variant . Difference is , it is spreading like wildfire among CHILDREN. I’m not sure what is so hard for some to comprehend. I really wish the jgov would go ahead and share the mortality rate in children . Then , maybe , some of you chronic naysayers and spreaders of patently false information would change your irresponsible ways and ill advised medical/ medicinal prescriptions. Before anyone starts popping unnecessary vitamins , please consult your real medical doctor.

-7 ( +7 / -14 )

Vendingmachinemusic,

Well maybe you can get the blue pill from Pfizer to cure the ED :-)

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

Is this in the same category of Koike "aiming for" 60,000 tests a day in the spring of last year?

Or Abe "aiming for" the cooperation of J-Inc to increase employee wages for ten years?

I'm not alone in wishing for the LDP to stop aiming for something, and start delivering on what they talk about.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

Only straight forward decision was foreigners ban. For other decisions: we will consider, aiming, on discussion, experts will decide and etc. Down vote me if I am wrong

0 ( +7 / -7 )

Even my Japanese doctor thinks the rollout is lamentably slow.

The boosters do help in reducing (but not eliminating) transmission and reducing (but not eliminating necessarily) symptoms. What is very evident however, and much more so the vulnerable, is that boosters vastly improve their chances to not be hospitalized or die.

The rollout of the 5-11 year-old first-time vaccinations in March will help to ensure a smoother spring semester (April-July) for elementary schools. Children's vaccinations, in addition to protecting them, reduce transmission of the virus they could potentially bring home to more vulnerable household members.

My doctor here told me just last week, "A student gets infected, but it's their grandparent who dies". From that standpoint of shielding the older and vulnerable members in society, vaccination (booster or first-time) is a bedrock of public health policy, with our individual responsibility to maintain other mitigation strategies: reducing outings, avoiding densely populated situations, wearing good quality masks, social distancing, etc..

Vaccine science is not new at all, and prevent millions of deaths annually since they were introduced more than a hundred years ago despite extremely rare instances of contamination, improper storage, administration and reactions (which are part-in-parcel to all parts of medicine, to be fair).

If you have questions, doubts, don't take your information from me, posters on JT or information gleaned from the internet: talk to a doctor, public healthcare worker (such as at your ward's government office) or scientist involved in public welfare. While it is nice to bandy about data, URL links, etc., go to the source of expertise when it matters -- like it does now.

4 ( +13 / -9 )

Steven Mccarthy

FFS Fact-check: omicron is the weakest variant thus far, scientifically proven beyond doubt,

Children can get Omicron same as anyone but it’s very mild, it effects children less than flu.

All deaths of all ages are shown by the Japanese government. No children under 10 have died from Covid in Japan. There is no evidence to support any have.

Increasing Vitamin D intake has been shown to reduce Covid symptoms and severity especially in black people.

-9 ( +11 / -20 )

Nepalibabu

The vaccines do not reduce transmission of the the virus in children.

-8 ( +9 / -17 )

Why, are they waiting so long. I live in Canada, I don't know anyone that hasn't had their booster!

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

How? The booster doesn’t prevent transmission of COVID.

I really don't get why comments like this are downvoted. Look at some of the countries ahead in terms of dealing with Omicron. Basically everyone gets it whether "double vaccinated" or having boosters. I guess it depends on your interpretation of the word prevent. If it reduces transmission by some small almost negligible percentage does that mean prevent? I mean when you've got 80% of people vaccinated and more than half have the booster, but everyone still gets the rona, are we still going to say it "prevents" transmission?

-1 ( +10 / -11 )

runner3

Maybe because in Japan the government is not run by a nut job party with a narcissistic privileged man who enjoys going to parties in blackface.

-12 ( +8 / -20 )

Stem? That's true only because the infection is now a century old tree with roots deep in the ground, meters-wide trunk, and thick branches. Stem is now at the top most part of the tree.

Ridiculous.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

I guess they are not telling the public here that the rest of the world knows that those boosters do nothing for omicron. How kind of the government.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

@falseflagsteve

Too late anyway, Omicron will have run it’s course soon enough. By the time a next possible wave happens the boosters will no longer be very effective,

I can't believe I am agreeing with you, but what you said is true.

I'll probably get my booster for when a new variant comes.

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

I guess they are not telling the public here that the rest of the world knows that those boosters do nothing for omicron.

NYTimes article suggests the third booster is somewhat helpful for below 50's and becomes much more helpful for those above 50 years old.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

Students and Colleagues at work seriously ill after all the jabs and boosters. Now GOJ stands with this booster is "key" prevention of against symptoms development. How much longer will this madness?

3 ( +9 / -6 )

virusrex

How? The booster doesn’t prevent transmission of COVID.

Yes it does,

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1

You should read your references before quoting them. Your reference states a 40% reduction of transmission for the DELTA variant, which has now been replaced by Omicron. Omicron runs rampant through the population, vaccinated or unvaccinated. The Danish health authorities have acknowledged that, others are following.

4 ( +12 / -8 )

Yes it does,

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1

no, it doesnt. this has already been accepted by now.

The vaccine does not PREVENT transmission of Covid.

1 ( +9 / -8 )

If it reduces transmission by some small almost negligible percentage does that mean prevent?

The reduction is much more important than some "negligible percentage" as proved scientifically, assuming that something you want to believe must be true is not valid even if there is no information available, but having evidence of the opposite it becomes disinformation.

The vaccines do not reduce transmission of the the virus in children.

Repeating a baseless assumption do nothing to demonstrate it, for that you need actual scientific evidence that proves it.

Children can get Omicron same as anyone but it’s very mild, it effects children less than flu.

No it does not, once you see how many pediatric hospitalizations have been reported for influenza in the seasons with social distancing measures it becomes clear Omicron affect children more thanks to its much more important transmisibility.

Sorry, I'm unvaxxed and still enjoying a well-rounded life. There's nothing you can do to stop that.

There has been always people that act only on their self interest and irrationally, the difference now is that many seem to feel the need to brag about it.

Forget any studies and look at the numbers... That should speak volumes on the effectiveness of such medical experimental concoction.

Sorry if the science prove your opinion is wrong, following the science is looking at the numbers, on the opposite side is people trying to pretend something that depends on multiple factors somehow proves only one of those factors is responsible, which makes not sense.

The claim you're rebutting with this is that boosters don't PREVENT transmission. Not inhibit, reduce, or mitigate. PREVENT. There is a non-negligent difference.

And that is exactly what the word means, surgeries prevent deaths, seat belts prevent deaths, misrepresenting the word as if it meant absolutely and perfectly eliminating some undesirable outcome 100% of the times is obviously invalid, because that would make it so nothing can prevent anything. Which is obviously not the case.

Your study is a preprint

Try reading a source before you try to criticize it on something false, do you see the text in red that reads "Now published in Eurosurveillance doi: 10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.44.2100977"? that means it is not a preprint anymore. It is an article fully published in an indexed scientific journal after being subjected to peer review.

Your study was done in September of 2021, not with omicron, not this year.

It is still a pertinent source of information that has not been discredited nor rebuked, do you have better information that contradicts it? then present it, you don't? then you have to admit it brings valuable information that proves vaccination prevents transmission in a very important number of cases, which has no reason not to be observed with yet another variant that same as delta were not the original target. It is simply much more dishonest to misrepresent a fully published article as if it was just a preprint and specially as if it was contradicted by other evidence, because none of those things are true.

4 ( +17 / -13 )

Onky for the vulnerable, otherwise they are a waste of time for the healthy but excellent profits to be made. Hoping they don’t go potty here like the US and want to vaccinate babies of 6 months old.

Again, your personal opinion that goes against the professional recommendations of the scientists and doctors of the world is not relevant. The experts of every institution of science and medicine of the world say vaccinating the population at large is not a waste of anything, you just simply saying the world is wrong based solely on your opinion (and without data to prove it) is nothing in comparison.

7 ( +20 / -13 )

Japan aims for 1 million daily booster shots to stem infection wave

.....

In my experience Omicron evaded my AstraZeneca double vaccination and my wife’s double vaccination and Pfizer booster.

Thinking that a booster shot will keep the Japanese safe is not likely.

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

1m a day, lessee

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

There's a life and death difference between vaccines preventing the transmission of covid and vaccines attenuating the symptoms to keep you out of the hospital.

Understanding this is instrumental to saving lives and preventing variants.

Yes, we can still get sick even if vaccinated. But most of us won't get be sick enough to need to be hospitalized. How many people have died from heart attacks because there was no hospital beds available due to unvaccinated covid patients?

If you're vaccinated, when infected, you will have a quicker immune response because your immune system is prepared for the fight. This gives the virus less opportunity to replicate over time. This means the probability of the next deadly variant developing in you will be decreased.

Thus, it is vital that we all keep up with boosters and wear masks, even if the protection is not 100%. Any percentage over 5% would be consider statistically significant is most research.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

Are you referring to the vaccinated? Who were told the vaccine would prevent infection.

By the experts refering to the unevitable variants? absolutely nobody, that is still a false argument only repeated by antivaxxer propaganda.

this in the bold italics is your answer right? absolutely nobody ever told vaccinated people that the vaccine would prevent COVID infection.

Yet you just said the vaccine prevents transmission of Covid infection.

Guess you are an antivaxxer spreading propaganda, huh?

-7 ( +6 / -13 )

Yes it does, 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1

No it does not. Cheery picking an obscure study (published in Eurosurveillance) that really is not conclusive does not make your reality distortion and ideological view of the situation correct.

I can come easily with a study this time in a prestigious journal that completely contradicts it:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

Fully vaccinated people with breakthrough infection have the same virus load and can transit as easily the virus. And as real data of the real word (not your imagination) is showing us, fully vaccinated people with breakthrough infections are a common thing. See data in US, Europe, Israel and Japan.

Several studies have concluded that the even if the vaccine can attenuate the transmission, this only occurs on a very short period and its effectiveness agains transmission diminish significantly very quickly.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597

Same conclusion here:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2821%2900768-4/fulltext

The general consensus is really is that those vaccines are not good at preventing transmission:

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298

-6 ( +11 / -17 )

Pediatric vaccinations matter generally, and particularly for any child with an underlying illness, such as for those kids with bronchial asthma, which in Japan, like all countries, is not a few number of kids. Add to that any other kind of health issue you want: weak kidneys (nephritis), Type-I diabetes, auto-immune disorders, etc., ad infinitum.

Any kid who develops even moderate symptoms goes to a hospital where their parents cannot visit them, for reasons of quarantine. You think any parent wants that?

For those with intrinsic problems, including children, for those that are very aged, prescribing vitamins, good diet and exercise doesn't meet the immediate moment, does it? Instead, it's what the doctors and public health experts, using the cumulative (aggregate) global data are telling us: vaccines with personal mitigation strategies.

Again, don't take it from me, the posters (or posers) or social media: trust the same people who have always healed us and will out of their humanistic sense of duty. That is the respect they should be accorded.

4 ( +9 / -5 )

misrepresenting the word as if it meant absolutely and perfectly eliminating some undesirable outcome 100% of the times is obviously invalid,

prevent- verb

keep (something) from happening.

To keep something from happening, thats really clear is it not?

You take a vaccine but you get covid anyway (something happened that was supposed to have been prevented).

-5 ( +7 / -12 )

Virusrex's paper includes the following:

Our data do not contain information about negative tests. Therefore it is uncertain whether contacts tested negative or did not test at all.

Differences in testing behaviour between contacts of vaccinated and unvaccinated index cases could bias our VET estimates.

If the vaccine reduces symptoms, you are less likely to get tested when infected.

While it is clear that places that vaccinate at a high rate have more cases. And don't forget that it has been recognized that with Delta infection (and I suspect with Omicron too) the viral load in vaccinated people is equal (or higher) than in unvaccinated people.

-7 ( +6 / -13 )

Nepalibabu

I do follow the science and the data. Of course there are exceptions of kiddies with weakened immune systems but for others it’s pointless and by no means safer than the vaccines. The vaccines do nit reduce the viral load transmission from children so it’s pretty pointless and natural immunity is proven to be more effective than the vaccines.

-5 ( +9 / -14 )

I said before it wasnt right that the media, scientists, doctors lied and told us in late March 2021 that the vaccine prevents transmission of Covid. get vaccinated, cant get it, cant give it.

But this guy said no one ever said that and the vaccine doesnt prevent Covid, obviously.

But today he is back to it prevents Covid. well kinda, not absolutely, not perfect, not really, kinda. The meaning of the word prevent isnt so clear to him, somehow.

So I really dont know what to say further.

If you want to protect YOURSELF, get vaccinated.

if you want to stop transmission in a community (which is what JPN government wants)- vaccination isnt the answer. As vaccinated people can still transmit Covid.

Its really that simple.

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

It seems like the title is wrong, seems to me you can still get it just with lower symptoms.

Maybe I'm wrong.

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Autismo, solid post. If you have underlying conditions or risk factors and are over 50 then the booster may be an easy call.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

So stupid,

this Omicron is very mild.

A lot of contamination but few deaths so stop to bother people and also stop to spread fake news on mainstream

Wake up !!!!!

-5 ( +8 / -13 )

No it does not. Cheery picking an obscure study (published in Eurosurveillance) that really is not conclusive does not make your reality distortion and ideological view of the situation correct.

Sorry but the direct evidence completely contradicting your personal belief do not constitute cherry picking, how many other articles addressing directly the rates of transmission between vaccinated and unvaccinated people there are? how many say the opposite of this?

Your own article is terribly irrelevant, once you select the vaccinated people that end up infected (not the same rates of those unvaccinated) and select again from those that present symptoms (again less in the vaccinated population) only then you can find same rates, but this is obviously an invalid approach, similar to counting only those people with infections that reach the ICU to say antibiotics do not increase survival in infections (leaving out the huge percentage of patients that do not reach ICU precisely because of antibiotics).

You then completely misrepresents your other sources and contradict the authors when they say vaccination effectively decrease transmission, just less effectively in variants than in the original strain. Once you need to lie about an study to "support" your belief you are actively recognizing you are wrong and need to use information that is false

From the conclusions of your sources

Boos*ter vaccination campaigns that are being considered and implemented26 may help to control transmission as w*ell as prevent infections.

“Several studies have provided evidence that vaccines are effective at preventing infection,” it states, “Uninfected people cannot transmit; therefore, the vaccines are also effective at preventing transmission.”

The most important part, is that without actively comparing transmission rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated people you can't say they are not actively reducing the rates, indirect evidence is good when you have nothing else, but it is worthless to contradict direct evidence such as the one that clearly proves vaccinating reduces rates of transmission.

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

"Japan aims" ??? oh, like Abe-san aimed his three arrows? oh good! that's a relief then. (⌒▽⌒)

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Autismo,

Thank you for your detailed response.

Luckily it is not a situation of 'my doctor vs. your doctor' or a matter of heterodoxy: rather it's the consensus epidemiology and public health policy based on aggregate clinical data that drives a unified global response.

When Russians, Chinese and Cubans agree with the the U.S. and EU that vaccination strategies are a goal, that is as solid a geopolitical cross-check on the veracity of a threat and the response to it as you can get.

Again, this is nothing new: viruses arise perennially, scientists figure out how to reduce harm.

However, now we all get an opinion online (ha!), use plenty of time to check said opinions (ha!) and spend less time in consultation with those whose very professions demand our protection.

Digital Dark Ages, more like. . .

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Japan aims to soon start

That's triple indecision right there.

Not "Japan will soon start providing..."

Not "Japan will start providing..."

Not "Japan will provide..."

Kishida resign!

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Please when did any credible medical doctors say vaccines prevent transmission???? Maybe some unqualified person did but no credible medical expert have stated vaccines prevent transmission. You bloke just make up bs to suit your own aganda. Are any of the above doctors???? Educated in medical health??? No none is and readers should not take any notice of their personal opinion and that is all it is. It all BS. Like My doctor is not vaccinated what a load of BS. Just trying to suit your own agenda

-2 ( +7 / -9 )

> A lot of contamination but few deaths so stop to bother people 

Maybe few to you but not to me

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/#graph-deaths-daily

Has not reached the highs of other waves yet, hopefully it does not, but the climb is faster

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

prevent- verb

keep (something) from happening.

To keep something from happening, thats really clear is it not?

Bein vaccinated prevent in an important percent of the cases the infection from being tranmitted to other people, therefore the word is valid about the effect on the vaccines. The same as insulin as a prevention of death on diabetic patients or surgery to prevent the loss of function of an injured arm. None of the examples (nor the definition) requires this to happen absolutely 100% of the time. Pretending this is a requirement is where the misrepresentation happens.

While it is clear that places that vaccinate at a high rate have more cases. And don't forget that it has been recognized that with Delta infection (and I suspect with Omicron too) the viral load in vaccinated people is equal (or higher) than in unvaccinated people.

Again mistaken in both things, Japan was vaccinated and with much less cases for a long time, because the cause effect relationship that you try to say its happening is actually the opposite, countries that have a lot of cases are the ones making huge efforts to secure and distribute vaccines. And again there is no proof that vaccinated people in general have same viral loads as unvaccinated people, only one smaller subgroup of vaccinated people that get infected (and an even smaller subgroup that get symptoms) do but since obviously these groups are a smaller percentage in vaccinated people that means as a whole group vaccinated people have smaller viral titers.

My Japanese doctor has not been vaccinated and suggests that it is not necessary for healthy people.

The same as japanese doctors that prescribe antibiotics for common colds, this does not mean he can actually prove scientifically he is right, on the opposite scientific information and the opinion of every institution of science and medicine in the world can prove your doctor is mistaken.

What people need to remember is that your decisions should be data driven, and doctors are often no more aware of the data than a layperson who is well researched, and occasionally less so.

But still much less aware of the data than the people that professionally deal with it and that even produce that data. If a doctor can't produce data that can validly contradict the consensus that means he is more likely to be wrong than right. But if he simply agrees with it then the data that supports the consensus works in his favor. The "trust your doctor" is an appeal to a professional standard that unfortunately does not apply to one hundred percent of them, it works more than not, but never as a way to contradict much more well fundamented recommendations.

And may I ask: if the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis is relatively high in children

And one cause of myocarditis that is much more important than vaccines is COVID, this would be an argument towards vaccination and not against it.

-8 ( +9 / -17 )

*A lot of contamination but few deaths so stop to bother people **

For the US, current wave more daily deaths than all the previous waves except one.. so far:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-deaths-daily

0 ( +4 / -4 )

virusrex

The reduction is much more important than some "negligible percentage" as proved scientifically, assuming that something you want to believe must be true is not valid even if there is no information available, but having evidence of the opposite it becomes disinformation.

I was expecting, after reading "proved scientifically" followed by a comma, that you'd continue with something like, as shown by this study or something like that.

Its very simple. If countries that have vaccinated everyone willing to take the shots, usually about 80% of people in developed countries, and rolled out boosters, but omicron is still spreading and rampant throughout the population, how can it be argued that they reduce transmission in any practical way? Israel seems to be the case in point, their omicron wave peaked at about almost 100,000 people per day. Population 9 million, almost all vaccinated and boosted. Its not what I want to believe btw, I wish the vaccines were 100% effective, but come on!

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John-san

If you look at old media you can find stuff as shown in this link below.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/s-science-convinced-cdc-lift-mask-mandates-rcna932

Yes, people were led to believe that life would return to more al for the vaccinated including mask less.

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Readers, this thread will be closed for two hours.

Yes, Go Nippon Go, do it again.

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Yes, Go Nippon Go, do it again.

Bur first please send my voucher. No one can get vaccinated without it. Over 7 months and I am still waiting. Rang the health office, They said sorry they are behind in printing out the vouchers. Also they only send them out ONCE a week. - All those they have printed out the previous week saved to be sent the week later, There is Japanese efficiency and urgency for you Yes Go Nippon

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They said sorry they are behind in printing out the vouchers. Also they only send them out ONCE a week. 

This is being reported everywhere.

I wonder if it's really accidental.

Are all elements of Japanese leadership completely gung ho with the booster program?

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Why bother the boosters were designed for the alpha variant and have been shown to be useless against the omicron strain!

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